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If you really cant recall leftists making all kinds of hay over the patriot act, and going apoplectic because they thought they were being accused of not being patriotic for not supporting the act or whatever...

Which thats what I am referring to... all the Bushitler hysteria, all the Cheney in a noose signs amd so on...

If you cant or dont recall all of that, then I simply cannot help you.

But I was here, and I recall it very clearly. And I see no reason to dispute actual reality with someone whose reality is as variable as is yours seems to be

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But you aren't disputing reality, seems to me that a couple credible citations might help you out there, but thats not your style, is it? 

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Now the funny thing in my mind is the teaparty, because they had an opportunity to be against the Patriot Act, etc, before a Black man was elected... yet they weren't upset by it. Where were they when their rights were eroded?

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collarchat members rather than the actual topic

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Now, you can pretend that everyone who was extremely opposed to these things was mollified by the election of Obama, but that isn't true. That small minority of us that cared about it then, care about it still.... the only thing different is I cared about it before a Black man was in office

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f ever I write "everyone" that wasnt my intent

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
no reason to dispute actual reality with someone whose reality is as variable as is yours seems to be

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If ever I write "everyone" that wasnt my intent

Though most leftists, when they see Obama beginning another war, or they see Bushs tax cuts being extended under the Dems, or they see Obama signing the Patriot Act, all these things that once heralded the riders of the apocalypse to them before

And now theyre hitting the snooze button over these same things

Its educational

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Now, you can pretend that everyone who was extremely opposed to these things was mollified by the election of Obama, but that isn't true. That small minority of us that cared about it then, care about it still.... the only thing different is I cared about it before a Black man was in office

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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collarchat members rather than the actual topic

What is the topic, other than to demonize left leaning collarme chat members, put them on the defensive, try to insinuate we are all hypocrites, etc etc etc

It is why you use the language you do, to incite instead of illuminate... basically it is a form of oneupmanship

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I am the bad guy for making a political point here

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I remember that the hue and cry was from left and right against the patriot act --here you know like this, I have proof of the bi partisan ship of the protesting, even Bushes DOJ thought it sucked ass:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99927,00.html

But perhaps for the purposes of your discussion, faux nuze is now a leftist media organization.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Is that what you call it? I call it more bad stereotyping without any sort of proof, with your use of "leftists" this and "leftists" that... never once defining what you mean by that term....

I would not call you evil, I would say your posting style lends itself to the internet equivalent of picking a fight... it is boring, and fairly much I am just tired of reading you.

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You continue the argument of selective observation (on nearly every point out here) in the face of overwhelming and irrefutable fact.