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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 10:51:56 AM   
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Results of the University of Maryland Study: Fox News Viewers Least Informed


Results of Suffolk University Poll

"This poll shows two things: first, the network news have completely lost their brand. Second, the only network with any intensity is Fox News. Bottom line: the more they attack Fox, the stronger it is getting.”




Boy, you really have to follow the links to anything you post... seriously


I followed every link to other links to still other links to find it... and there was not a shred of analysis on any link that led to other links from Suffolk University

http://civiccircus.com/2011/05/suffolk-poll-fox-news-most-trusted-name-in-news/

http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2011/05/24/university-poll-fox-news-most-trusted-news-source/

http://www.mrc.org/public/default.aspx


After all that jumping around and obfuscation.... I got this

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/FINAL.Suffolk.University.National.Survey.Marginals.May.17.2011.pdf

Now, there is nothing on that link to tell us what those folks at Suffolk found. Every link leading me there was highly partisan....



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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 10:57:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some things from that poll...

Is your opinion of Barack Obama generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 73) 0 0%
Favorable ...................................... 2 551 51%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 454 42%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 65 6%

Is your opinion of Newt Gingrich generally favorable or generally unfavorable?

Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 78) 35 3%
Favorable ...................................... 2 311 29%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 530 50%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 194 18%

Is your opinion of Mitch Daniels generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 75) 493 46%
Favorable ...................................... 2 105 10%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 155 14%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 317 30%

Q7. Is your opinion of Michele Bachmann generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 79) 317 30%
Favorable ...................................... 2 219 20%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 301 28%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 233 22%
Q8. Is your opinion of Donald Trump generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 80) 2 0%
Favorable ...................................... 2 190 18%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 747 70%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 131 12%

Q9. Is your opinion of Ron Paul generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 81) 179 17%
Favorable ...................................... 2 262 24%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 360 34%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 269 25%
Q10. Is your opinion of Mike Huckabee generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 82) 56 5%
Favorable ...................................... 2 440 41%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 326 30%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 248 23%

Q11. Is your opinion of Sarah Palin generally favorable or generally unfavorable?
N= 1070 100%
Never heard .................................... 1 ( 1/ 83) 5 0%
Favorable ...................................... 2 327 31%
Unfavorable .................................... 3 618 58%
Heard of/Undecided ............................. 4 120 11%

The rest did pretty well. Even Hillary.

Q16. Do you feel the country is headed in the right direction or is on the
wrong track?
N= 1070 100%
Right direction ................................ 1 ( 1/ 88) 353 33%
Wrong track .................................... 2 615 57%
Undecided ...................................... 3 102 10%
Q17. Do you approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as
president?
N= 1070 100%
Approve ........................................ 1 ( 1/ 89) 500 47%
Disapprove ..................................... 2 480 45%
Undecided ...................................... 3 90 8%

Q18. Do you feel that Barack Obama deserves to be re-elected or is it time
to give someone else a chance?
N= 1070 100%
Deserve reelect ................................ 1 ( 1/ 90) 462 43%
Someone else ................................... 2 518 48%
Undecided ...................................... 3 90 8%
Q19. Has President Obama stayed true to his campaign promises?
N= 1070 100%
Yes ............................................ 1 ( 1/ 91) 449 42%
No ............................................. 2 509 48%
Undecided ...................................... 3 112 10%
Q20. Do you approve or disapprove of the job Congress is doing?
N= 1070 100%
Approve ........................................ 1 ( 1/ 92) 133 12%
Disapprove ..................................... 2 770 72%
Undecided ...................................... 3 167 16%
Q21. Earlier you said that you were registered as a<S2 >. Does your state
allow you to take a Republican Primary ballot?
N= 706 100%
Yes ............................................ 1 ( 1/ 93) 293 42%
No ............................................. 2 228 32%
Not sure ....................................... 3 185 26%

An interesting question... the results do not surprise me...

Q23. If the Republican Primary for President were held today and the candidates
were (READ LIST), for whom will you vote or toward whom would you LEAN at this time?
N= 468 100%
Michele Bachmann ............................... 01 ( 1/ 96) 18 4%
Herman Cain .................................... 02 16 3%
Mitch Daniels .................................. 03 18 4%
Newt Gingrich .................................. 04 42 9%
Rudy Giuliani .................................. 05 29 6%
Mike Huckabee .................................. 06 70 15%
Jon Huntsman ................................... 07 1 0%
Gary Johnson ................................... 08 1 0%
Sarah Palin .................................... 09 46 10%
Ron Paul ....................................... 10 21 4%
Tim Pawlenty ................................... 11 10 2%
Buddy Roemer ................................... 12 2 0%
Mitt Romney .................................... 13 79 17%
Rick Santorum .................................. 14 11 2%
Donald Trump ................................... 15 22 5%
Undecided (DO NOT READ) ........................ 16 82 18%

Q23A {CALLBACKS TO HUCKABEE AND TRUMP VOTERS}
Q23A. Now that <Q23> has withdrawn from the race, who will you vote for in the
Republican Primary?
READ LIST
N= 51 100%
Michele Bachmann ............................... 01 ( 1/ 98) 1 2%
Herman Cain .................................... 02 1 2%
Mitch Daniels .................................. 03 1 2%
Newt Gingrich .................................. 04 1 2%
Rudy Giuliani .................................. 05 5 10%
Mike Huckabee .................................. 06 0 0%
Jon Huntsman ................................... 07 0 0%
Gary Johnson ................................... 08 0 0%
Sarah Palin .................................... 09 8 16%
Ron Paul ....................................... 10 2 4%
Tim Pawlenty ................................... 11 4 8%
Buddy Roemer ................................... 12 0 0%
Mitt Romney .................................... 13 15 29%
Rick Santorum .................................. 14 3 6%
Donald Trump ................................... 15 0 0%
Undecided (DO NOT READ) ........................ 16 10 20%

Here is a good question....

Q25. If the General Election for President were held today and the candidates were Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney for whom will you vote
or toward whom would you LEAN at this time?
N= 1070 100%
Obama .......................................... 1 ( 1/102) 491 46%
Romney ......................................... 2 457 43%
Other (DO NOT READ) ............................ 3 8 1%
Undecided (DO NOT READ) ........................ 4 112 10%
Refused (DO NOT READ) .......................... 5 2 0%

Q34. Several states are currently considering laws that would require citizens
show a photo ID before voting. Do you agree or disagree with this policy?
N= 1070 100%
Agree .......................................... 1 ( 1/111) 828 77%
Disagree ....................................... 2 193 18%
Undecided ...................................... 3 49 5%

Q35. Is the economy improving or getting worse?
N= 1070 100%
Improving ...................................... 1 ( 1/112) 442 41%
Getting worse .................................. 2 489 46%
Undecided ...................................... 3 139 13%

Oh, I could go on and on... this is an eye opening poll, and I have yet to see any partisanship in this one. Good to see!

Here is what BOTH parties need to pay attention too, especially considering this poll had for age groups the largest block being the Boomers...

45-54 Yrs ...................................... 3 185 17%
55-64 Yrs ...................................... 4 270 25%
65-74 Yrs ...................................... 5 194 18%

Q40. Do you agree or disagree that making changes or cuts to entitlement programs
like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are necessary to reduce the national debt?
N= 1070 100%
Agree .......................................... 1 ( 1/118) 387 36%
Disagree ....................................... 2 616 58%
Undecided ...................................... 3 67 6%

As far as the rest, the overall gist is that the patriot act being resigned was necessary, according to those polled.

As far as the most trusted news source...

Q58. What political news source do you trust the most? RANDOMIZE 1-7. ONE ANSWER ONLY
N= 1070 100%
CNN ............................................ 1 ( 1/136) 194 18%
MSNBC .......................................... 2 79 7%
FOX News ....................................... 3 304 28%
ABC ............................................ 4 59 6%
NBC ............................................ 5 104 10%
CBS ............................................ 6 61 6%
C-SPAN ......................................... 7 34 3%
Other (DO NOT READ) ............................ 8 102 10%
Undecided (DO NOT READ) ........................ 9 133 12%

Realizing that these people spoke about their own feelings on many issues... and how they would vote... is a voters poll the way we really want to go with who to "trust" more?

~edited because I forgot the link to the actual poll...

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/FINAL.Suffolk.University.National.Survey.Marginals.May.17.2011.pdf

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:00:08 AM   
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Realizing that these people spoke about their own feelings on many issues... and how they would vote... is a voters poll the way we really want to go with who to "trust" more?



As Rasmussen proves, polls of likely voters are the most accurate.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:01:42 AM   
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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:01:47 AM   
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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:10:12 AM   
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Just because someone is popular, even an entity, doesnt mean we should "trust" them, willbe.

Just in case he doesn't know what that logical fallacy is....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

One which many right wingers make... Every time they say Fox News is the best because they have the highest ratings, etc

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are popular... If nothing else is on... or a huge news story is breaking... I may switch over to Fox just to see their take on it. But I also turn to other news soures.. most of the other channels, print, blogs, people I know.

No news channel, in my opinion, can be that trusted to give me an unbiased account of any news story.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:15:32 AM   
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No news channel, in my opinion, can be that trusted to give me an unbiased account of any news story.


Which is why I do not watch TV to get news....

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:22:41 AM   
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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:28:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did not say I never have watched cable news television, I do not think of it as a news outlet.

I have watched it for breaking news, which is what CNN is for...And what they sell as breaking news often isn't. But if there is a terrible earthquake, if I want to get visual news about it, I would watch CNN

Here is where cable news has really let us down (all of them), they sell commentary as news. Commentary is not news. In newspapers they have columnists, they OpEds, they have letters to the editor, etc etc etc... these are kept away from the "news" portions of a paper. They are clearly labelled as what they are in a reputable paper.... Cable news, not so much. This creates a distorted impression of what news is.

Is it information? Of a sort, yeah. Is it news? No

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:29:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Just because someone is popular, even an entity, doesnt mean we should "trust" them, willbe.

Just in case he doesn't know what that logical fallacy is....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

One which many right wingers make... Every time they say Fox News is the best because they have the highest ratings, etc


Too bad the question was "Trust" not "Like" or "Watch", which would be indicators of popularity.

In a poll last year Fox was most trusted even by 30% of Democrats, and had the lowest distrust rating of all networks. The best any other network could do amont Democrates was 62%

And why dont you show us any "right winger" who has ever said "its the best because they have the highest ratings".

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:30:20 AM   
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Too bad the question was "Trust" not "Like" or "Watch", which would be indicators of popularity.


You realize being popular does not make you right?



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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:32:36 AM   
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Too bad the question was "Trust" not "Like" or "Watch", which would be indicators of popularity.


You realize being popular does not make you right?




Drinking again? You are the one who is talking about "popularity", not me, or either poll I referenced.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:35:22 AM   
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Too bad the question was "Trust" not "Like" or "Watch", which would be indicators of popularity.


You realize being popular does not make you right?




Drinking again? You are the one who is talking about "popularity", not me, or either poll I referenced.


What is that poll talking about? And please, post a link from Suffolk University or a site that specializes in analyzing that sort of data instead of right wing propaganda sites

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:36:02 AM   
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Hilarious. As a former reporter and news director and current college professor, I'd give my eye teeth to work at Fox News. They ask hard questions of EVERYBODY.


Then you fit squarely into the new generation of bullshit journalism and declining educational standards. Fox asks stupid questions of everybody, and follows up on none of them. Do a little research yourself, and see how journalists used to do it.

Your posting style alone and your chosen persona speak volumes.

If there were any journalists like Woodward and Berstein around today Barack Hussein Obama would never have become POTUS.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:37:30 AM   
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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:37:35 AM   
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Hilarious. As a former reporter and news director and current college professor, I'd give my eye teeth to work at Fox News. They ask hard questions of EVERYBODY.


Then you fit squarely into the new generation of bullshit journalism and declining educational standards. Fox asks stupid questions of everybody, and follows up on none of them. Do a little research yourself, and see how journalists used to do it.

Your posting style alone and your chosen persona speak volumes.

If there were any journalists like Woodward and Berstein around today Barack Hussein Obama would never have become POTUS.

LOL....guess what...they are around....jeez....talk about removing all doubt!

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:40:59 AM   
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Why not? Do you believe Obama has committed illegal acts?

Obama committed at least one illegal act before he became POTUS. But if you never listen to FOX News you'd never know that.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:41:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Too bad the question was "Trust" not "Like" or "Watch", which would be indicators of popularity.


You realize being popular does not make you right?




Drinking again? You are the one who is talking about "popularity", not me, or either poll I referenced.


What is that poll talking about? And please, post a link from Suffolk University or a site that specializes in analyzing that sort of data instead of right wing propaganda sites


Tazzy found it...Im sure you can too.

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RE: What you won't know if all you do is listen to Fox-... - 5/28/2011 11:43:02 AM   
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Hilarious. As a former reporter and news director and current college professor, I'd give my eye teeth to work at Fox News. They ask hard questions of EVERYBODY.


Then you fit squarely into the new generation of bullshit journalism and declining educational standards. Fox asks stupid questions of everybody, and follows up on none of them. Do a little research yourself, and see how journalists used to do it.

Your posting style alone and your chosen persona speak volumes.

If there were any journalists like Woodward and Berstein around today Barack Hussein Obama would never have become POTUS.

LOL....guess what...they are around....jeez....talk about removing all doubt!

They may well be around but neither of them are "investigative journalists" like they were when they broke the WaterGate story...talk about your obfuscation!

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