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meatcleaver: He didn't have any WMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even Blair has apologized (OK in a very meally mouthed way) and admits there weren't any!
Actually, he did. Both Sarin and Mustard gas are chemical weapons - thus WMD. Both were found in Iraq. The only thing that they did not find were WMD stockpiles.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
Based on a limited search of the area, we can’t blanket an entire country and say that WMD does not exist.
For example, prior to your seeing my first post, you did not have any evidence of my existence. Does it follow that I did not exist before making my first post?
I left some Brazilian money on the dresser. Later, when I came back to this dresser - where I thought they would be - they were not there. I looked everywhere but could not locate them. Does that mean that the Brazilian money that I left on the dresser does not exist? Even though I know for a fact that they do?
Even the last inspection team that we sent in could not rule out their being moved out of the country.
meatcleaver: As for making WMD, with the definition Bush and Blair had of WMD my daughter could make some with her chemistry kit!
If that is the case, then the military could use her, because the definition that they used fit with the description that I read in a military training manual. I don’t recall making any such chemicals in Honors Chemistry back in High School.
meatcleaver: There is absolutely no evidence that Saddam had anything to do with terrorists.
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/research_topics/research_topics_show.htm?doc_id=283338&attrib_id=7580
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One month ago, Jordan's King Abdullah explained to the Arabic-language newspaper al Hayat that his government had tried before the Iraq war to extradite Abu Musab al Zarqawi from Iraq. "We had information that he entered Iraq from a neighboring country, where he lived and what he was doing. We informed the Iraqi authorities about all this detailed information we had, but they didn't respond." He added: "Since Zarqawi entered Iraq before the fall of the former regime we have been trying to have him deported back to Jordan for trial, but our efforts were in vain."
And then there is this gem:
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Beyond what people are saying about the Iraq-al Qaeda connection, there is the evidence. In 1992 the Iraqi Intelligence services compiled a list of its assets. On page 14 of the document, marked "Top Secret" and dated March 28, 1992, is the name of Osama bin Laden, who is reported to have a "good relationship" with the Iraqi intelligence section in Syria.
An interview with a guy that was involved with the Iraqi terror training camp:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html
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What kind of training went on, and who was being trained?
Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism.
meatcleaver: If you are refering to Al queda terrorists they were the enemy of Saddam!
This would be like denying that the U.S. and U.S.S.R. were allies during World War II because one was capitalist, the other communist, and they were enemies. But, as an old Arab cliché goes, an enemy of my enemy is my friend. Bin Laden hated the US more than he hated Sadman. He even ordered his people not to attack Sadman and his assets.
meatcleaver: In fact the Reagan administration had given far more weaponry to terrorists than Saddam and there is not much evidence he has given anything to terrorists.
That is arguable. If you are talking about Afghanistan, we sent money to the Pakistanis, who disbursed the money and training to the Afghans.
In Central America, it was the communist governments that were carrying out terrorist acts:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/18/interviews/sobalvarro
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ORIGINAL: Former Contra
It was the repression carried out by the Sandinistas which forced me to take the decision to fight,
He also said this:
"One of these coordinators came to our house, and this person turned out to be a Soviet, and in his speech he said that God didn't exist, that God was Fidel Castro, and that it was necessary to serve Fidel Castro; that the government of Nicaragua was at the disposal of Fidel Castro, and that it was necessary to serve the government, and all this kind of thing -- which we the Nicaraguans weren't used to, because we've been very Catholic, especially my family." Oscar Manuel Sobalvarro
History Note: Spain invaded Central America using Cuba as the Command Headquarters and the invasion launch point. That was like Hernando Cortez and company telling the Indians that they were no longer going to worship their ancestral gods, etc. History repeating itself.
Note: That was a Soviet agent involved in undermining a democratic country to replace it with a Soviet puppet one. This, according to Colonel Stanislav Lunev, highest Russian GRU officer to defect to the United States, was a nationalist, or a member of the legions of Soviets sent out to third world countries to carry out Soviet policies. Many of them wore the uniforms of the "host" nations and fought as part of their units. The Soviets were making advances in our own back yard until the Gipper came along and changed that. :D
Here is another gem:
http://www.reds.msh-paris.fr/public...22/ds022-03.pdf
They came to power by force, but were voted out when their future was put in the hands of a free market type of selection.
meatcleaver: Lincoln was fighting a civil war and not invading another country, though maybe southerners think he was.
Doesn’t matter, he was still fighting a war.
meatcleaver: You had the resources to sustain yourselves in Vietnam but there comes a point when even the dumbest of the dumb realise they are that, just plain dumb!
We had the resources to sustain ourselves in Vietnam, yes. During our military engagement, we wiped the floor with the North Vietnamese’s hind quarters. Then we left things to the South Vietnamese and pulled our combat troops out after we forced the North to the negotiating table with our brutal bombardments.
But thanks to the anti war activists here in the U.S., and their liberal allies in congress, those resources were cut off and the South was not able to hold up against the following northern invasion.
meatcleaver: Iraq is fucked up and it has been fucked up by the invasion, not by Saddam who had fucked it up enough but he wasn't a threat to the west.
From someone’s first hand account:
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18615/article_detail.asp
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Our editor returned to Iraq in April and May of 2005 for another embedded period of reporting. I could immediately see improvements compared to my earlier extended tours during 2003 and 2004. The Iraqi security forces, for example, are vastly more competent, and in some cases quite inspiring. Baghdad is now choked with traffic. Cell phones have spread like wildfire. And satellite TV dishes sprout from even the most humble mud hovels in the countryside.
meatcleaver: I know American brass thought the invasion was dumb or at least that was the reports we received over here and I know the British military thought the invasion was just plain dumb because there was no idea what to do about Iraq once they had it.
If you are talking about the few retired generals - as far greater number that we have - that spoke up, even they are allowed to have an opinion. Our press has a bad habit of giving heavier weight and voice to the dissenters than they do to the ones that support the effort. The majority of the active flag officers were in favor of the invasion.
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