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The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 4:09:30 AM

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I would hope that most people understand the basic premise of what the Butterfly Effect is, if not you can read a little up on it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect.

It is indeed very much a running theme in Fiction especially Science Fiction, I don't know how many people watched the movie by the same title. Anyways, it involves the different outcomes and effects that choices, actions or decisions can and do have. Not only on the personal level, but in the lives of other people in the near and long term. Not to mention how these things can complete shape the future of many things.

There's a concept I learned about many years, how Indian Chiefs or tribal leaders would get together and make decisions taking into account how it would effect the future of the tribe for the next 3-7 generations to come. This concept stuck a chord with me a long time ago. As well as the Butterfly efffect did long before the movie "The Butterfly Effect" came out.

Now, for me personally it's always important for me to bring a submissive/slave or whoever close to me into my mindset and the folds of what I'm all about.

Needless to say, our actions have rather a bit of a Domino effect. It can ripple through to everybody lives that surround us and even effect the lives of people outside of our own immediate circle. Think of stones being dropped into a pool water and the wave ripple outward.

I've had to make some extremely hard decisions in life, where I had to take things into deep consideration. Not only how it would effect me but also others. Even more so, when I find myself "Crossing the Rubicon" (the point of no return) which is itself another concept I'm in touch with.

okay so none of this has jack shit to do with my appetite for kinky wild sex, spanking ass, pulling hair, handcuffing, tieing somebody up, and all that wonderful yummy tasty things to do. All the physical and Sexual Dominant things.

It does have everything to do, in regards to being in touch with being Fearless leader, Boss, slave driver, Owner, Dude in charge or whatever the Hell label you want to slap on me or I feel like wearing for the Day! Mind you there are days when I feel more like KING ASS BEATER!! or is that KING ASS FUCKER? LOL... sorry about that my mind just travels in the corners of kink like a moth to the flame at times. I'm still waiting to experience burning up in the flames like a vampire does in the dawn of sunlight.

Anyways, there have been times when I've stressed the importance of things on this level to others, especially in full context to somebody I own or involved with. I don't have a Dominant off switch, just not the way I roll. However, I do and will lay things all out. Regarding why, what and how I feel things are best done or should be done with reasoning involved. This way somebody "Get's it" without being clueless.

I seemed to have experienced a number of issues in my last relationship, where I was confront them with a number of responsibilities involved in choices and decisions to be made. Including how these things will effect others, such as children and family members, even friends. Even how it does or does not set the stage for things to come in the future. I ended up getting the "I don't understand what you mean" routine back at me. So I explained it, even gave a reading assignment about it. Sigh... needless to say /EPIC FAIL/ not on my part but theirs.

I know I can't be the only Dominant that works at trying to get the other half of the kneel/coin/slash tuned into the same mental wavelength. To me this is part of the training AKA getting to know me and what I want and like stages. I'll worry about getting somebody to gargle on a wad of cum later.

To me this stuff, is all part of the mental conditioning and getting them to think or look at the world, and see things in a different better brighter more realistic light. As opposed to how wide their pussy can get stretched or whatever else kinky activities that will go down. Personally, I not find the sexual and kink stuff to be no where difficult as compared to these kind of things. Perhaps this is why so many people are caught up in the Sex and Kink training and conditioning.. simply because it's easier and requires less mental thought process. (I'm being extremely sarcastic yet somewhat truthful).

It would be kind of interesting in knowing if other people take the Butterfly Effect into Consideration in terms of choices and decisions being made. Especially from the D side of the coin, also any subs/slaves that have had Doms/Owners/Masters having a thing for The ButterFly effect in terms of the choices they make or made.

Perhaps I'm thinking too much with my Big head at times, when the other one ain't so hard. You know when the blood has rushed back into the body and I'm rather balanced out. (LOL).

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 5:05:59 AM

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I have to admit, I'm totally confused. If you talk the way you write, all stream of consciousness with no internal editor, that may be the problem. I couldn't follow what you said or what you're trying to get at.

I would suggest working on your communication skills since it has been an issue for you.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 5:24:09 AM

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I'm not really confused, even though, the entire concept, as it unfolds, is chaotic... just as chaotic the whole Butterfly Effect is. But, what Des said does have a point...
Your comm skills are not the issue here. as much as the... interface. I might be wrong here, but judging by myself, you seem to have trouble sharing your thoughts, in the way, you can't find the proper, and complex enough, way to present your mind to others... You are not by any chance a Gemini, are you?

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 5:38:56 AM

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I'm a gemini and I completely understood where he was coming from...

For me, I like {insert label} to have an understanding of what consequences and effects the decisions being made have on not only our relationship, but on those around us as well. I don't think it is asking too much for your sub/slave/bottom to try and understand that for you these thoughts and decisions are an intrical part of who you are. That by understanding that thought process he/she would understand who you are, where you are coming from, and where you think you might like to take the relationship.

You just need to edit it a little if you get that blank stare from them, or even break it down into small thoughts. As in have a conversation one time about the butterfly effect, then the next build on that, so on and so on.

Just my 2 cents though.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 7:51:24 AM

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being a mom, yup...always always always. Being a mom I learned that my life is no longer my own. Those close to me will always be affected in some way.

Almost every big decision I make I will sit back and think about who it will affect, how and why, in what ways, for how long.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 7:52:56 AM

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My relationship is pretty all encompassing... so I take lots into consideration. I had a conversation with a Sir a few weeks back and said.. "yes, I think about the things I say, the decisions I make for us and for me... because I may have come with my boi, but I still gohome with my partner every night"...

to have the responsibility of being a dominant means you need to really think long and hard about decisions -- if you really care about the relationship and the other person...

everything has consequences... everything... and when you can predict them, its important to take them into consideration...

I wouldn't hit a person with all this at once though... you might also not talk about the 30,000 feet stuff, but bring it down to earth and give it practical application in the relationship... example:

tomorrow my boi is going to bootblack at an event -- I had planned to create a rope harness for her to wear for the day; she didn't know that. We were discussing what she was going to wear -- because she is bootblacking, I allow her to choose what it most comfortable for her in the heat in that situation. What she chose makes my plans no good. I didn't tell her my plan but let her know I didn't need her to be ready an hour ahead, that her wardrobe changes my plans. We talked about consequences. I won't let her change back.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/4/2011 5:37:43 PM

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First the non-topic of the Lesbian Sex Wars, and now this?

To answer your question...no. I don't take into account a shaky and questionable pseudo-philosophical concept based on pure speculation when making any life decisions. To be 100% honest, I don't give a crap if my closing my window causes a flood in China...Ooops, sorry. Sucks to be you don't it Mr. Qian?

If what you are really asking is do I consider the effects of my life decisions on other people...Doh! Of course I do, doesn't everybody in one form or another.

If what you're asking is do I try make a sub aware of my reasoning behind a decision...Sometimes. There are times its not relevant...we're going for pizza...no explanation required. We're moving to Manitoba...Yeah, I'd make a point of explaining my reasons.

Is it really any different than regular everyday decision making?

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 6:27:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

being a mom, yup...always always always. Being a mom I learned that my life is no longer my own. Those close to me will always be affected in some way.

Almost every big decision I make I will sit back and think about who it will affect, how and why, in what ways, for how long.

This, yes. Of course I think about what I'm doing. I wouldn't follow The Man if he hadn't shown (not told, but shown) me that he thinks things through.

My problem is the op is all about how he tells people. Not about how amazingly competent he is. I'm not interested in people who talk a good game. I want to see it in operation. Unless he has a proven track record of being successful, then it doesn't matter what he says. What he does is much more important.

Nor do I need to have every decision explained at length, I only need him to be able to explain when I need to know why.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 6:45:00 AM

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To me this stuff, is all part of the mental conditioning and getting them to think or look at the world, and see things in a different better brighter more realistic light. As opposed to how wide their pussy can get stretched or whatever else kinky activities that will go down. Personally, I not find the sexual and kink stuff to be no where difficult as compared to these kind of things. Perhaps this is why so many people are caught up in the Sex and Kink training and conditioning.. simply because it's easier and requires less mental thought process. (I'm being extremely sarcastic yet somewhat truthful).

I totally get this, it's why most people, I think who get into this, tend to end up looking among the kinky, i.e., you try to go back to vanilla and it just doesn't work, the points of reference are simply too different in ways totally unrelated to sex per se.

The training part is easier to deal with: it's an activity, it has a purpose, a goal, the results are quantifiable - a relationship is a nebulous thing, it's never finished, it's always a work in progress - in fact I tend to liken it to a butterfly - you try to grab it and hold it too tight, you'll crush it in your fist.

Other times, it's like a slippery bar of soap - don't bend over unless you want to get pegged, lol.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 12:59:18 PM

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On the outset, this seems like a whole lot of effort put into trying to get someone to see through your lenses, as opposed to finding someone who already has the same values and character in the first place.

I already consider the ripple effect, in my daily actions. I surround myself with others who do the same. It's not a huge concept - how does what I do today affect others, and what kind of ripples do I want to put out there in the world? If you're bringing people into your world who don't grasp that concept, I'd imagine it would be exhausting.

Anyway, the Mister chose someone who already was on the same mental wavelength. Saved him a lot of hassle that way.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 1:18:31 PM

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It would be kind of interesting in knowing if other people take the Butterfly Effect into Consideration in terms of choices and decisions being made. Especially from the D side of the coin, also any subs/slaves that have had Doms/Owners/Masters having a thing for The ButterFly effect in terms of the choices they make or made.

Perhaps I'm thinking too much with my Big head at times, when the other one ain't so hard. You know when the blood has rushed back into the body and I'm rather balanced out. (LOL).

Before I became a parent I didn't think about this concept very much, but after I became a parent I have considered the ripple effect of everything I do. I had to make decisions that were the best for another person, and not for just myself. I did not subscribe to the view that if I was happy, then my child would be happy, because the things that would have led to my selfish happiness would have negatively impacted him.

This responsibility kept me out of many relationships I may have explored had it not been for acting in the best interest of my child. The things I looked for changed. I am not sorry for that.

Today I still think of how my decisions impact those that I love, and those who care about me. I might spend time with a man, but not really think he is suitable to take around my family... in other words, they might make a good companion, but that doesn't mean I want to introduce them to those that really count in my life.

As far as choosing a dom, if he didn't take me into consideration with his life choices and how they would impact me, I wouldn't want him. If he wasn't looking out for both of our interests, how could I trust him to make life choices for me? Basically, I see submission as giving my choices over to someone else by proxy, and if they didn't take that as a serious matter with rippling effects, well we wouldn't be well suited.

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 1:46:24 PM

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About the difficult to read OP... People of integrity do take into consideration the ramifications of their decisions and choices, but all any of us can do is take into account what we can see. It seems to me that often when someone takes a lot of time and energy to state 'I have integrity' it's because they have doubts, just sayin'

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RE: The Butterfly Effect Consideration - 6/5/2011 1:55:18 PM

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Hello A/all,

Speaking from a strictly meterological prespective, Chaos Theory and the Butterfly Effect are swell discussions for those boring overnight mop-up shifts. It might be fun to enter all of the variables into some super computer on a given day.

Let's say, however, I need to know what the eye level breezes are going to be like at the mouth of San Gabriel Canyon at 1500 PDT TODAY; and, the only observation tools that I have with me are in a belt weather kit. That butterfly in China is going to be the least of my worries. I am more concerned about whether there is a High Pressure System over The Great Basin and a Low off of Baja. (RIDE THE DEVIL WIND BABY!)

STICK WITH ME! I am really going to make a point here.

I submit that, ultimately, there are a finite number of factors that determine the weather at any given point on Earth at any given time. Further, ALL of these factors are quantifiable and qualifiable if we have the necessary where-with-all to make observations and measurements.

OKAY! Here's where I am going to send up a flare.

I posit that the same thing is true in relationships. Rather that being nebulous, there are a finite number of quantifiable and qualifiable factors that enter into consideration. Of coures if you took the time to consider all of them, you wouldn't have time for the relationship!

So here's where I'm going. Our ability to figure out something USEFUL about either fire weather or our relationships is dependent on several flawed factors. These factors include (but are not limited to); our experience; our understanding of the "Big-Picture;" our ability (in every sense of the word) to make objective observations. I was going to mention 'time' as a factor too; but, I belive that too much time leads to "Analysis-Paralysis" which is counter productive.

Yes, Analysis Paralysis WOULD be the result of giving consideration to The Butterfly Effect!

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