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popeye1250 -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/5/2011 5:24:15 PM)

"Millitant?"
When did this guy get a promotion from "terrorist" to "militant?"
Hell half the people in this site could be called "militants."




BamaD -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/5/2011 5:30:29 PM)

He is a militant because since Obama became president there are no terrorists just militants.  There are no terrorist attacks just man made disasters 




Aneirin -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/5/2011 5:36:09 PM)

The change of description from terrorist to militant says a lot about how the author feels on the situation. Bush saw terrorists, Obama sees militants, who is right and who is wrong, for that is a matter of oppinion. Maybe there has been a change the POTUS might for once be gaining a conscience.




kdsub -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/5/2011 8:37:42 PM)

I agree with you completely...I've always been against our interference in the business of other countries. I've said many times I believe in self sufficiency for each country in this world so we don‘t have to fight over resources. But oil is not a good example. If all we truly cared about was oil why in the hell would we support Israel?

Butch




Aneirin -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 12:39:26 AM)

You support Israel because it is a well armed ally within the oil producing areas as already mentioned. Israel if ever there was an uprising will be at the battle front first and not just because of Jews, but because they are seen as representing America. American weapons and firepower in the hands of the Israelis equals American interests to many outside. Therefore Israel becomes a target and undoubtedly because of the religious aspect Israel attacked incites the religious in other countries to act in defense of their religion which with many seems to enmesh with their nationality.

It is almost as if this whole situation was designed, an intricate mechanism that if allowed to continue will bring us all to war, to avoid that eventuality we have to be aware of the world political stage and perhaps say no where in the past we might have just left it to those who supposedly act in our favour to decide, we have to take an interest, as it does and will concern us and that as the world is a very much smaller place than it once was.

Now many have said the arming of Israel was necessary to stop the Arabs going through with their threat and pushing the Jews into the sea, now, just suppose that anger was more to do with the military threat Israel was becoming over the years, you know, a new small state created suddenly becoming a very serious military threat as weapons from across the other side of the world pour in, just what could that mean to those in surrounding countries , how would you feel if you saw this, would you feel threatened as a nation ?




Owner59 -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 6:01:49 AM)

Sarah changing the definition of terrorist.

WTF cares what name is used to describe the ass-hole?He was a top leader and a wanted man and WAS, extremely dangerous.

So cons are going to play semantics with a subject as serious as the war on terror?Sometimes it seems as tho cons view this as a game,playing word games like kids.




kdsub -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 6:20:06 AM)

None of what you said makes sense. If it was oil and oil alone we would have supported the oil rich Arab nations not Israel.

The real reason or our support was our sense of fairness…our support for people who had suffered like no other. The images of the holocaust still in our minds we saw a ragged group of people just trying to survive without persecution.

Tell me… how many oil fields the Israelis have secured for us?

What possible benefit do we get by supporting them when it comes to oil?

You need to rethink your vision of America in the Middle East just as Israel needs to realize there are limits to our support.

Butch




Owner59 -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 6:21:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

None of what you said makes sense. If it was oil and oil alone we would have supported the oil rich Arab nations not Israel.

The real reason or our support was our sense of fairness…our support for people who had suffered like no other. The images of the holocaust still in our minds we saw a ragged group of people just trying to survive without persecution.

Tell me… how many oil fields the Israelis have secured for us?

What possible benefit do we get by supporting them when it comes to oil?

You need to rethink your vision of America in the Middle East just as Israel needs to realize there are limits to our support.

Butch



This.




Aneirin -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 6:46:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

None of what you said makes sense. If it was oil and oil alone we would have supported the oil rich Arab nations not Israel.

The real reason or our support was our sense of fairness…our support for people who had suffered like no other. The images of the holocaust still in our minds we saw a ragged group of people just trying to survive without persecution.

Tell me… how many oil fields the Israelis have secured for us?

What possible benefit do we get by supporting them when it comes to oil?

You need to rethink your vision of America in the Middle East just as Israel needs to realize there are limits to our support.

Butch


H'mmm fairness, okay, so your sense of fairness is worth the danger your country is in from foreign insurgants for your support of Israel, and don't say it isn't because many outside Israel hold America as part of the problem when they rail against the Israelis, one just has to view the news for that, the American flag is plain to see on placards. But perhaps the situation is complex for America is blamed for many things or is it you just happen to be the pariah for everything the Arabs see as wrong in their world.

Go on ask yourself why the disgruntled amongst the Arabs rail against America, is it Israel, is it oil or what ? Why are you such a target for the militant, you more than us, you first before us, America being the primary target.

Israel is an American friendly well armed state in the Middle East, it is capable of wielding massive firepower if not nuclear, as to what use Israel is to America, maybe it is a sentinel in a sea of madness or could it be the home of the  financiers, those who provide much of the funding for your country, in which case do you own Israel, or does it own you ?

But as to oil, the POTUS  has to ensure the supply of affordable oil to America, as can you imagine what would happen if he lost that commodity, America would surely dissolve into internal war as what oil there is becomes very expensive and with that everything everyone depends on to live. Oil is the most important thing any president has to concentrate on, so nothing will change until Obama goes through with his election promise and pulls an alternative energy source out his ass.

But my guess is seeing as no viable alternative energy source is in the offing, the only solution left, is to strengthen US positions in the lands where the oil comes from just in case America's supply of oil ever becomes tenuous, for America will fight to survive. Afghanistan is one such place, hell, you are already there, where next ?




servantforuse -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 6:54:50 AM)

I just love it when AlQuaida announces who will be the next person to head that group. Talk about a death sentence .




Owner59 -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 7:22:14 AM)

I don`t know,making your bones by killing the most people kinda makes you think they couldn`t give a fuck about their own lives.





servantforuse -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 7:39:09 AM)

They do care about their own lives. You never see one of these so called leaders strapping a bomb to themselves.




Owner59 -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 7:44:48 AM)

Leaders aren`t pawns by definition and in practice.

It`s the leaders who are ultimately responsible for what happens,by definition.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 8:20:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Leaders aren`t pawns by definition and in practice.

It`s the leaders who are ultimately responsible for what happens,by definition.


I vote that from this point on, Al Queda (or however the fuck you want to spell it) leaders should lead by example.




Aneirin -> RE: Top Pakistani militant Ilyas Kashmiri reported killed in US drone attack (6/6/2011 8:28:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They do care about their own lives. You never see one of these so called leaders strapping a bomb to themselves.


Yeah, just like you don't see politicians joining the ranks in the wars they send others mother's sons to




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