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tazzygirl -> Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 4:57:21 PM)

If this doesn't scare you....

Witnesses said they were forced to hide video after Beach shooting

Two witnesses to Monday’s fatal shooting on South Beach say police tried to intimidate them and force them to give up an up-close video of the incident. Police officials say the couple has not lodged a complaint.

A West Palm Beach couple who filmed Monday morning’s deadly officer-involved shooting on South Beach has accused officers of intimidation, destroying evidence and twisting the facts in the chaos surrounding the Memorial Day shootings – a charge that police officials say they know nothing about.
Meanwhile, a South Carolina man charged with DUI in a second officer-involved shooting that morning says he is innocent.
On Thursday, The Miami Herald spoke to the couple that saw the end of the 4 a.m. police chase on Collins Avenue, then watched and filmed from just a few feet away as a dozen officers fired their guns repeatedly into Raymond Herisse’s blue Hyundai. They say the only reason they were able to show the video to a reporter is because they hid a memory card after police allegedly pointed guns at their heads, threw them to the ground and smashed the cell phone that took the video.


www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/02/v-fullstory/2248396/witnesses-said-they-were-forced.html#ixzz1OXjDK8mU



pahunkboy -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 5:02:23 PM)

Easy fix-  send it to the web before the cops grab it.   



tazzygirl -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 5:26:17 PM)

Im surprised, pahunk. I would think you would be all over this one, broken cameras, intimidation.... right up your alley.



Termyn8or -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 5:36:25 PM)

I'm not either. What happens in Miami generally stays in Miami. This is an exception. They have done alot more down there. Hell they have done alot more up here.

Rodney King would be in what was coined "Dead N______ Storage" in the movie Pulp Fiction if it hadn't been for a private citizen with a video camera. When you stop the illusion that those in positions of power are somehow morally superior, it all comes clear.

More than most prefer. The illusion is much more pleasant.

T^T



pahunkboy -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 5:37:43 PM)

At the moment I am more upset over people throwing litter out the car windows here.    SLOB CITY!  


But at to video-  cops are pulling this-  if it were me- I would send the pics from my cam-  before I even got into a conversation with the cops... a couple  clicks and it is done.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/6/2011 6:16:35 PM)

I lived in miami for 18 years and I am not at ALL surprised.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/7/2011 11:23:57 PM)

I'm not surprised. Armed thugs, the lot of them. I avoid cops like I avoid shaking hands with someone who has the flu. My last face-to face (except for being pulled over outside Cleveland for going 55.0001 in a 55 zone) was a knock on the door about 8 years ago or so.
"You got a problem here?"
"Excuse me?"
"You deaf? You got a problem in there?"
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
"We have a report of some kind of fighting here. Let us in."
"I live alone, and no, you can't come in unless you have a warrant."
Douchebag looks at his notebook.
"This 4160 Golfclub Court?"
"No, it's 4610 Golfcart Drive."
Assholes leave without a single apology.

Armed thugs.



lockedaway -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/7/2011 11:27:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I'm not surprised. Armed thugs, the lot of them. I avoid cops like I avoid shaking hands with someone who has the flu. My last face-to face (except for being pulled over outside Cleveland for going 55.0001 in a 55 zone) was a knock on the door about 8 years ago or so.
"You got a problem here?"
"Excuse me?"
"You deaf? You got a problem in there?"
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
"We have a report of some kind of fighting here. Let us in."
"I live alone, and no, you can't come in unless you have a warrant."
Douchebag looks at his notebook.
"This 4160 Golfclub Court?"
"No, it's 4610 Golfcart Drive."
Assholes leave without a single apology.

Armed thugs.


HOLY SHIT! The one thing you have said that I agree with you about...well....to a degree.  I'm not going to say "armed thugs the lot of them" but I will say "armed thugs the majority of them."  The police in this country have morphed in the past 20 years into a para-military organization that is at least in part charged with the responsibility of ginning up revenue for their municipalities.



lovmuffin -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 12:07:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lockedaway

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I'm not surprised. Armed thugs, the lot of them. I avoid cops like I avoid shaking hands with someone who has the flu. My last face-to face (except for being pulled over outside Cleveland for going 55.0001 in a 55 zone) was a knock on the door about 8 years ago or so.
"You got a problem here?"
"Excuse me?"
"You deaf? You got a problem in there?"
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
"We have a report of some kind of fighting here. Let us in."
"I live alone, and no, you can't come in unless you have a warrant."
Douchebag looks at his notebook.
"This 4160 Golfclub Court?"
"No, it's 4610 Golfcart Drive."
Assholes leave without a single apology.

Armed thugs.


HOLY SHIT! The one thing you have said that I agree with you about...well....to a degree.  I'm not going to say "armed thugs the lot of them" but I will say "armed thugs the majority of them."  The police in this country have morphed in the past 20 years into a para-military organization that is at least in part charged with the responsibility of ginning up revenue for their municipalities.



To a great extent the police have been militarized because of the war on drugs. They scare the shit out of me too.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 12:24:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

To a great extent the police have been militarized because of the war on drugs. They scare the shit out of me too.

And the allowance of "assets" to be "convicted" of a crime that their owner is guiltless of, and be auctioned in order to fill the budget of the local police department.

Firm



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 12:28:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

To a great extent the police have been militarized because of the war on drugs. They scare the shit out of me too.

And the allowance of "assets" to be "convicted" of a crime that their owner is guiltless of, and be auctioned in order to fill the budget of the local police department.

Firm

Agreed.



lovmuffin -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 12:33:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

To a great extent the police have been militarized because of the war on drugs. They scare the shit out of me too.


And the allowance of "assets" to be "convicted" of a crime that their owner is guiltless of, and be auctioned in order to fill the budget of the local police department.

Firm




I agree, it's especially repugnant and unconstitutional. And the general public for the most part seems to be ok with it.



tweakabelle -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 1:02:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

To a great extent the police have been militarized because of the war on drugs. They scare the shit out of me too.

And the allowance of "assets" to be "convicted" of a crime that their owner is guiltless of, and be auctioned in order to fill the budget of the local police department.

Firm


We have a system here where convicted criminals forfeit assets they cannot prove to be lawfully acquired (ie. legally acquired using lawfully obtained means). I could be mistaken but I think it operates like this:
The assets are frozen upon arrest after successful application to a court for a seizure order. But they cannot be disposed of until after a conviction has been recorded. AFAIK, this process can be challenged in the courts by the owner of the assets. If an acquittal occurs, assets are returned to the owner. Assets suspected to illegally attained can be declared the "proceeds of crime" but are returned to the owner if they can prove legal title lawfully acquired.

Are you guys saying assets over there can be seized and disposed of with the owner's consent without any trial occurring or conviction being recorded? That sounds to me like it would infringe your Constitutional rights.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 5:28:12 AM)

With the "War on Drugs" tweak, when assets that are seized it's kind of the reverse of the normal "innocent until proven guilty". You have to prove that those assets were NOT purchased with illegally obtained funds. As that is almost impossible to do, the LEO has carte blanche.

Some folks have even been unable to recover assets after being found not guilty because the burden of proof is on the accused, not on the state.

this dates to the Reagan/BushI whitehouse



Termyn8or -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/8/2011 6:30:49 AM)

FR

http://www.fear.org/

"
"Civil asset forfeiture has allowed police to view all of America as some giant national K-Mart, where prices are not just lower, but non-existent — a sort of law enforcement 'pick-and-don't-pay.'"—U.S. Representative Henry Hyde,"  T^T

"Incredible as it sounds, civil asset forfeiture laws allow the government to seize property without charging anyone with a crime.  Until FEAR achieved the nation's first major federal forfeiture law reform at the turn of the millenium, the government was allowed to keep whatever property it seized without ever having to prove a case. Seized property was presumed guilty and could be forfeited based upon mere hearsay—even a tip supplied by by an informant who stood to gain up to 25% of the forfeited assets.  Owners were forced into the untenable situation of trying to prove a negative—that something never happened, even though no proof of any illegal act had been offered at trial. "

There was an article, and I think it was Miami. They did a sweep and anyone with something like $200 in their pocket was presumed to be dealing or seeking drugs. Also, the figures on just how much the government siezes are alarming. So let's not entertain any notions of due process here.

T^T



tweakabelle -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/9/2011 2:26:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

With the "War on Drugs" tweak, when assets that are seized it's kind of the reverse of the normal "innocent until proven guilty". You have to prove that those assets were NOT purchased with illegally obtained funds. As that is almost impossible to do, the LEO has carte blanche.

Some folks have even been unable to recover assets after being found not guilty because the burden of proof is on the accused, not on the state.

this dates to the Reagan/BushI whitehouse

Thanks for the info HillWilliam.

Has this been tested in your Supreme Court? It does sound draconian. It also sounds wide open for abuse.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/9/2011 5:30:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

With the "War on Drugs" tweak, when assets that are seized it's kind of the reverse of the normal "innocent until proven guilty". You have to prove that those assets were NOT purchased with illegally obtained funds. As that is almost impossible to do, the LEO has carte blanche.

Some folks have even been unable to recover assets after being found not guilty because the burden of proof is on the accused, not on the state.

this dates to the Reagan/BushI whitehouse

Thanks for the info HillWilliam.

Has this been tested in your Supreme Court? It does sound draconian. It also sounds wide open for abuse.

Repeatedly. Thank our money hemorrhaging, useless "war on drugs".



hot4bondage -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/9/2011 6:21:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

With the "War on Drugs" tweak, when assets that are seized it's kind of the reverse of the normal "innocent until proven guilty". You have to prove that those assets were NOT purchased with illegally obtained funds. As that is almost impossible to do, the LEO has carte blanche.

Some folks have even been unable to recover assets after being found not guilty because the burden of proof is on the accused, not on the state.

this dates to the Reagan/BushI whitehouse

Thanks for the info HillWilliam.

Has this been tested in your Supreme Court? It does sound draconian. It also sounds wide open for abuse.

Repeatedly. Thank our money hemorrhaging, useless "war on drugs".


Yep. But it's worse than useless. It's a counter-productive fraud. Civil forfeiture is in the news in my state again, but the focus is on how to divide the loot between law enforcement and education. The law is vague, so cops in some counties--including the largest--keep all of it. Anyone surprised?



tweakabelle -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/9/2011 6:37:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


Has this been tested in your Supreme Court? It does sound draconian. It also sounds wide open for abuse.

Repeatedly. Thank our money hemorrhaging, useless "war on drugs".


One of the repeated claims of pro-legalisation people is that current drug laws bring the law itself into disrepute. This seems to confirm that claim doesn't it?

Reversing the onus of proof is nasty stuff.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Miami police cover up (6/9/2011 6:45:25 AM)

If you want to see something REALLY fun about the miami police, google "miami river cops"

During the mid 80's bodies of known drug couriers were turning up in the miami river killed execution style. (hands behind their back, one shot to the head)
It turns out that an organized gang of 2 dozen cops was intercepting the shipments (I'm talking hundreds of pounds at a time here) of cocaine, killing the couriers and then selling the stuff themselves.



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