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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 7:46:08 PM   
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Glad you caught this one.  It not just unbearably stupid, it's also unforgivably offensive, but I've come to expect that here.  Cisgender stupidity and arrogance runs rampant around here but CM isn't special.  Cisgenderism and heterocentrism are par for the course in most of the world.  That's why I generally avoid threads that deal with LGBTIQ issues.  It's too triggering for me and I don't need that drama. 
 
Maybe that's the wrong choice.
  Oh fucking bullshit.  Just because someone doesn't approach gender issues with your particular world-view doesn't make them offensive.  And this nonsense about no "before" or "after" is also a bunch of crap.  I've known at least one transgendered woman who identified fully as male prior to her transformation and could easily answer this particular question in that context if she'd also identified as a sub.

If it's a hot button, then it's highly likely you're looking to be offended.  The triumph of civilisation is that people with disparate views can actually co-exist without killing each other.  The option of removing your head from your rectum still exists.  I strongly suggest you consider the virtue of exercising it.


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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 8:12:40 PM   
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You know, you're just as offensive.  Really.  I've ignored your posts for the most part but this is just ridiculous.  I have some very good friends who are trans and/or intersex and I've talked with them at length about this topic.  There most certainly is not a "before" and "after" because transgender people know from an early age that their bodies aren't built the way they "should" be.  I seriously doubt your acquaintance fully identified as male prior to surgery.  More likely, she went through the motions of being male but kept her real feelings to herself precisely because of asshats like you.  Until you have lived as a trans or intersex person and experienced the daily struggle with depression, body dysphoria and trauma-based PTSD, shut the fuck up.  If anyone needs to remove his head from his anus, it's you.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 8:19:47 PM   
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You know, you're just as offensive.  Really.  I've ignored your posts for the most part but this is just ridiculous.  I have some very good friends who are trans and/or intersex and I've talked with them at length about this topic.  There most certainly is not a "before" and "after" because transgender people know from an early age that their bodies aren't built the way they "should" be.  I seriously doubt your acquaintance fully identified as male prior to surgery.  More likely, she went through the motions of being male but kept her real feelings to herself precisely because of asshats like you.  Until you have lived as a trans or intersex person and experienced the daily struggle with depression, body dysphoria and trauma-based PTSD, shut the fuck up.  If anyone needs to remove his head from his anus, it's you.
   That's nice dear, unfortunately just because you've got friends with personal experiences doesn't make you the arbiter of all that is right and correct on this issue, nor does it entitle you to behave like a bigoted ass-monkey when someone innocently makes a comment which reveals a world-view out of kilter with yours.

Advocating the cause of trans people by acting like a reactionary fuckhead and screaming at people every time they don't express concepts in the right way is just the viewpoint of an idiot fascist with no understanding of humanity.  I'll say it clearly for you, since you seem to be a member of the slow class.  Such behaviour is NOT going to work.

Now pull yourself together and act like the dominant you claim to be.  Pathetic.


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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 8:25:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

That's nice dear, unfortunately just because you've got friends with personal experiences doesn't make you the arbiter of all that is right and correct on this issue, nor does it entitle you to behave like a bigoted ass-monkey when someone innocently makes a comment which reveals a world-view out of kilter with yours.


Where's the icon for a pot calling a kettle?  Take a look in the mirror, sparky, and take your own advice.  Talk to me when you stop being an idiot and can act like a real man.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 8:39:30 PM   
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Where's the icon for a pot calling a kettle?  Take a look in the mirror, sparky, and take your own advice.  Talk to me when you stop being an idiot and can act like a real man.
  That'd have more sting if you could even remotely back it up, but instances of me doing so over an innocent comment are probably pretty thin on the ground.

And real man.  Is that like a real Domme?  Or a true Domme?  Domme in her own lunchbox perhaps?  *chuckle*  Ah Cupcake, I bet you're the life of the party.  Really.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 9:29:40 PM   
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I'm just the tiniest bit reluctant to dip a toe into these waters, but I suppose there's no use having a voice if one never bothers to use it. I identify as transgendered. It took me a while to get here, and I'm nowhere near where I'd ideally like to be. But, as are most people, I'm just trying to navigate the rivers of life without getting caught in the undertow.

I can't - and won't - speak for everyone who reaches the conclusion that they're transgendered. But I can give those curious about it a single individual's perspective. The question of what it's like to top before and after came up. I can say two things with confidence right off the bat. I've always been dominant. And I've always been transgendered. That said, it didn't occur to me overnight. I think that the question should not be what it's like to top "before and after" so much as it ought to be "before and after personal enlightenment".

I remember feeling awkward as I grew up. Painfully embarrassed about my own form. Knowing with certainty that there was something wrong about me, but mini humans don't always have the capacity to sort through what they're feeling and thinking in order to reach any sort of logical conclusion. To make matters worse (or later on in life a whole lot better) I was also interested in BDSM concepts, though without overly sexualized components. I just knew that it was great fun to tie up the dolls I was given rather than have them play house. I knew that my interests were probably not the most normal, and so I would often spend my time with my back to my bedroom door, tying up and strapping down both male and female dolls to just about anything I could. I also tied up the neighbor kid using original NES controllers. Most regrettably he never returned.

As I got older, I did what seems to be fairly common for a lot of transgender people. I tried to fit myself into a mold. I tried to be what I thought it meant to be female. A sadistic, bisexual female… but a female none the less. I didn't understand femininity from a personal point of view because I never felt it. Never was able to internalize it. Dresses were impractical. Boobs were great to look at, but my own make me cringe. Make-up confounds me to this day.

My pantomime of a woman always made me feel a bit foolish, but when you're young and eager to experience new things you let bravado carry you as far as you can. When I was seventeen I snuck into a BDSM party at a dungeon. I saw things I'd only ever been able to dream about, and I knew I wanted more. I put on a show, acting a lot more confident than I felt. I tried to be as womanly as I could, without really knowing what that meant. But I wasn't over-the-top and garish. I won over a woman who became quite interested in becoming something of a mentor figure. When I revealed my age she fretted some. Her FemDom group had never allowed anyone under 21 to attend any of their meetings or play parties. Nevertheless, she asked when I would turn eighteen. I grew up playing mediator for a lot of family members, and I suppose that I'd developed enough intelligence and poise to convince this woman that I wasn't going to make her regret allowing me admission into her world. I and the friend that I had snuck into the party with became the youngest members of this woman's group.

I experimented. Played with a few people. Fumbled a bit, but found my way in terms of topping another. But I was still playing a part. I'm twenty-six now, and I still get carded for lottery tickets from time to time. So even after I'd turned eighteen I still looked like jailbait. I'm also only a few inches over five feet tall. While talking to people in the dungeon, I took pages from the books of FemDoms that I observed. I capitalized on my lack of stature and young features. No one suspects the quiet, sweetly smiling tiny girl to turn into something that makes stoic men sob. And that's exactly what I normally want to do when I top.

I co-topped with the same friend that I'd joined the FemDom group with. She's a switch, in that she likes being topped in bed, but likes equal footing more or less outside of it. During a scene, as a top, she's sarcastic and playful. She teases and taunts. I just keep smiling sweetly, and no one knows that it's the calm before the storm.

When she steps back to let me have a crack at the man who had approached us, she begins to giggle. She covers her mouth with both hands, but can't quite control herself. She knows what's coming. I adorn him with the clothespins he's brought, and he says nothing. Barely reacts. I'm what I like to call a "reactionist". If you're about as fun as beating on a brick wall I'll get bored very quickly. I like squeaks. Groans. Whimpers. I like watching someone shudder and twitch. I live to see them flinch, and then nervously laugh because they realize I haven't even started yet. Once this fellow was decorated appropriately I begin to lightly lay into him with a flogger. A crowd at the door has begun to gather. My friend has one of the most perfect sets of tits, and she enjoys flaunting her assets at play parties. Okay, pretty much anywhere she goes if I'm honest. I suspect that they're looking at her, and ignore them. My goal is to wring a reaction from this man. Only then will I be satisfied.

He's a leather-ass with a fondness for caning. He's had his hide tanned so many times that the skin has become thick. His back is a bit softer, but he's still got a high tolerance for impact play. I jazz it up a bit. I'm clearly only worried about his safety, and the blood flow to places like his nipples and balls, when I decide that it's time for the clothespins to come off. I take a step back, not one hundred percent sure if I can do what I'm imaging in my head. I take careful aim at a distance far enough back that I'm not going to so much as land a single fall. After a test swing or two, I'm more at peace. I get back into range and employ the use of the flogger to snap one of the clothespins from his balls. He stiffens so quickly that he rises to the balls of his feet as he rocks forward. A moment later I hear his breath hiss from him. I've gotten his attention. The rest I remove with my hand, tugging quickly rather than pinching them to remove them delicately. He hisses with each one, beginning to sniffle halfway through.

The crowd at the door continues to gawk for a while, only dispersing once I've gone back to simply flogging him. I like my shoulders and back to burn with exertion by the end of the night, or I'm restless and won't be able to sleep. An hour or so after the scene has concluded, and he's given me his number and email address, my friend returns to my side cackling. I ask her about it, and she excitedly informs me that I'm the topic of discussion in the kitchen area. The voyeurs are clustered there, talking about the tiny demon that someone's unleashed. A grinning, merciless pixie hell-bent, and successful, at making a man at least twice her size cry.

I play no differently than I did that night, unless I happen to be playing with a submissive more geared toward the softer aspects of a scene. The only difference now is that I don't do it in a skirt… and I'm a helluva lot more comfortable for it.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 10:15:11 PM   
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Thanks, BG, fabulous post!

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 10:29:54 PM   
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Thanks, BG, fabulous post!


Ditto.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 10:40:37 PM   
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For VC, always great threads.

I have experienced both male and female dominance.

The experiences were equally great, but totally different energy.

For me, these experiences were intimate and emotionally based, nothing about co topping or anything like that.

I am strictly one on one so each of these experiences was fully with one person, not multiples.


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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 10:49:51 PM   
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LadyHibiscus & SylvereApLeanan -- Gracious thanks to you both.

And to VaguelyCurious, my thanks as well for an interesting topic.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/11/2011 11:19:34 PM   
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The triumph of civilisation is that people with disparate views can actually co-exist without killing each other.
very true. but i never claimed to be even remotely civilized now did i?

i disagree, you incorrect fucker!!


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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 1:29:53 AM   
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Just because someone doesn't approach gender issues with your particular world-view doesn't make them offensive.  And this nonsense about no "before" or "after" is also a bunch of crap.  I've known at least one transgendered woman who identified fully as male prior to her transformation and could easily answer this particular question in that context if she'd also identified as a sub.


You assume that DesFIP posted from your situation of personally knowing someone who didn't fit the general mould of gender dysmorphic development (because from the people I know and the reading I've done the person you're talking about would seem to be the exception). I can assure you that she didn't; when she posts about transgender issues she posts in ignorance. That's what she thinks transitioning is for everyone - you're a woman and then you're a man, or you're a man and then you're a woman. Which really is a bunch of crap.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 1:35:36 AM   
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First of all, thank you so much for posting, BendingGender - that's an amazing set of experiences to share.

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I play no differently than I did that night, unless I happen to be playing with a submissive more geared toward the softer aspects of a scene. The only difference now is that I don't do it in a skirt… and I'm a helluva lot more comfortable for it.

If you don't mind me asking: do you find that co-topping (if you still co-top now) works the same now as then? Would(/is) your dynamic with your giggling friend be the same post-enlightenment?

(Also, yay for clothespegs! Your scene made me grin. )

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 1:40:06 AM   
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For VC, always great threads.

Thank you, lovely lady. And thank you to everyone else who's said so too.

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The experiences were equally great, but totally different energy.

I know this is a private and personal thing for you, so I don't want to ask for more than you feel comfortable giving, but do you have any way of explaining how the energies were different? I know that's something which can be hard to pinpoint or put in words, but I'd love to hear your take on it, especially as someone whose set of wiitwd experiences is so different than mine.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 3:57:58 AM   
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First of all, thank you so much for posting, BendingGender - that's an amazing set of experiences to share.

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I play no differently than I did that night, unless I happen to be playing with a submissive more geared toward the softer aspects of a scene. The only difference now is that I don't do it in a skirt… and I'm a helluva lot more comfortable for it.

If you don't mind me asking: do you find that co-topping (if you still co-top now) works the same now as then? Would(/is) your dynamic with your giggling friend be the same post-enlightenment?

(Also, yay for clothespegs! Your scene made me grin. )


She's back in sunny California, but I'd still enjoy co-topping with her. As of late, she seems to be leaning more toward sadistic submissive, so she'd probably be more of a right hand than a co-topper. When she's in a scene she brings with her a sense of youthful enthusiasm and unashamed joy. Whether she's tickling or outright torturing someone, she does it with a grin and a wink. I tend to be a bit more serious with my sadism, unless there's a particular roleplaying type of theme involved. And in those cases my actions/reactions are in line with whatever role I've opted to play: Devilish Doctor, POW Interrogator, etc. So with her personality and my baseline personality, we're sort of complimentary contradictions.

Besides, I kinda dig it when her giggling lulls them into a false sense of security. They never quite know what hit them when I bring the flogger down for the first time. ~_^

Glad you enjoyed the scene. I went home rather happy. Slept fantastically well that night. And, I'll admit it, I tripped a bit on my own ego for a while after. There's something a bit thrilling about absolutely smashing the notions that others have of you.

Now if only I could make a special friend or two in Washington I'd start sleeping really well again...  

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 3:59:53 AM   
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Having served both male and female dominants, it has been my experience that males place more focus on physical domination. Because they are male, they tend to, well basically just hit harder.

Females, again in my experiences, are more verbal. Not that they cannot give one a good whipping but seem to me to talk to you more than males do and tend to belittle you more.

On the few occassions where i served a male/female couple, it was pretty much the same. The male was the one who supplied most of the phyical pain and discipline.

Now being gay and having served both gay and straight male dominants, it seems that both again, concentrate more on the physical domination



See I don't get that, because with a whip or a crop, it's not the force, it's much more how you throw it, so the physical strength has nothing to do with it, especially since a lot of whips you do have to control a lot to avoid permanent damage.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 4:01:04 AM   
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I don't share.  Anybody that insults me by suggesting that gets crucified.  No exceptions.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/12/2011 11:43:23 PM   
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For VC, always great threads.

Thank you, lovely lady. And thank you to everyone else who's said so too.

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The experiences were equally great, but totally different energy.

I know this is a private and personal thing for you, so I don't want to ask for more than you feel comfortable giving, but do you have any way of explaining how the energies were different? I know that's something which can be hard to pinpoint or put in words, but I'd love to hear your take on it, especially as someone whose set of wiitwd experiences is so different than mine.


It is very hard to explain this, but since I love you, I will try. :)

With a man, I feel more submissive in a physical way, no matter what their size. I feel a sense of masculine power that I want to take me over, if I connect with them in an emotional way. If a man can tap into my intellectual side and overpower me that way, then that is the whole package.

With a woman, I feel less submissive from a physical way, the strength of power comes from more of a fluid energy flowing between us as women. The sub/Dom thing was less intense but more tender. No matter how Dominant the woman was, I still felt this intrinsic bond between us since we are both women, that is completely different energy from the differences I feel with men.

Now, keep in mind, that none of these situations were play only, they were relationships, either love or deep friendship so the emotional component was present. I cannot judge how it would be to feel male vs. female dominance from a purely play type of situation.

I hope that makes some kind of sense.

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/13/2011 2:56:22 AM   
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I don't share.  Anybody that insults me by suggesting that gets crucified.  No exceptions.


You are just the coolest. You're absolutely right not to share, though. Everybody knows that if you top with another person, your mojo gets exponentially diluted and the scenes are always bad. For everyone. EVEN YOU.

In completely unrelated news, I don't appear to be able to find any tags for heavy sarcasm. I see bold, I see italic, I don't see sarcasm. What kind of forum is this?!

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RE: Experiences of male and female domination - 6/13/2011 7:06:35 AM   
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I don't share.  Anybody that insults me by suggesting that gets crucified.  No exceptions.


You are just the coolest. You're absolutely right not to share, though. Everybody knows that if you top with another person, your mojo gets exponentially diluted and the scenes are always bad. For everyone. EVEN YOU.

In completely unrelated news, I don't appear to be able to find any tags for heavy sarcasm. I see bold, I see italic, I don't see sarcasm. What kind of forum is this?!


I'm glad you also agree with me.


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