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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:44:14 PM   
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why would anyone take him seriously?

One word: Fundamentalism.

Okay, two words: Christian Fundamentalism.

Other types of Fundamentalists take different bullshit seriously.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 3:46:40 PM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 4:10:01 PM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 4:33:55 PM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 4:45:47 PM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 4:56:00 PM   
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why would anyone take him seriously?

Because he is a distinguished academic as is proved by his prominent position at this esteemed university

One simply couldn't possess better (perhaps I ought to say more revealing) academic credentials.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 5:05:48 PM   
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I'm guessing you don't believe in American Exceptionalism eh Luce?

My question is, why are you so narrowly defining American Exceptionalism?



Dammit I got you now
American exceptionalism..the founding fathers knew about and dismissed evolution before Darwin was born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think thats closer to dementia if you expect me to believe that

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 5:13:33 PM   
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why would anyone take him seriously?

Because he is a distinguished academic as is proved by his prominent position at this esteemed university

One simply couldn't possess better (perhaps I ought to say more revealing) academic credentials.


Im so glad the others have stopped thinking beck is all wonderful it was destroying my hope for humanity.
They slunk away with their disappointment tucked under with their tails didnt they


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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 8:51:18 PM   
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why would anyone take him seriously?

Because he is a distinguished academic as is proved by his prominent position at this esteemed university

One simply couldn't possess better (perhaps I ought to say more revealing) academic credentials.


Im so glad the others have stopped thinking beck is all wonderful it was destroying my hope for humanity.
They slunk away with their disappointment tucked under with their tails didnt they


I'm not sure why you were concerned in the first place, Lucy.

What other end result could there possibly be? It's just a matter of time with people like Beck. They have nothing to offer. But it takes some people longer than others to realise this.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 9:13:43 PM   
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Another graduate of the Sarah Palin School of American History.



while there is a shit load of bad stuff you can lay at palins feet I really think blaming her for a lack of education in the uk is stretching things a bit.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 9:55:42 PM   
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Because Evangelicals vote

David Barton – 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America, Time Magazine





So pandering is the word?

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 10:51:21 PM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 10:59:55 PM   
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Funny, all the christians I know seem to agree that evolution is a solid theory, a few even say the bible supports it in the way that the creation story is written, although they do admit that a couple of steps are out of order, which could be in either the translation or how it was written down from the oral traditions.

Man, you dont live around here. "Evolutionist" is used as a perjorative in this part of the country.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/9/2011 11:12:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's 2am Luce and I am just getting home.

It's a beautiful summer night and I must say I enjoyed a few seasonal cocktails so its just easier to use wikipedia right now.

But its a pretty good article so.... I'll link it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Exceptionalism

BTW...there is not a single mention of David Barton so... you might want to edit it to suit your allegation. And while you are there, since it also does not fit with your theory, you might want to take out the parts where it dates the concept back to Thomas Paine and then Alexis de Toqueville. And yes, your definition is quite narrow, especially if you believe this to be some new concept invented by modern day evangelicals.

Do I believe in American Exceptionalism?

An unequivocal  YES.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 4:45:27 AM   
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Funny, all the christians I know seem to agree that evolution is a solid theory, a few even say the bible supports it in the way that the creation story is written, although they do admit that a couple of steps are out of order, which could be in either the translation or how it was written down from the oral traditions.


Funny, the ones I know home school so their kids aren't taught evil falsehoods like evolution.


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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 5:32:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		some French have learnt a few lessons from de Tocqueville and others - for example a strict separation of religion and politics, of church and state

apart from that the successful breeding of morons has indeed nothing to do with evolution


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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 5:35:58 AM   
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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 5:41:38 AM   
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I'm guessing you don't believe in American Exceptionalism eh Luce?

My question is, why are you so narrowly defining American Exceptionalism?



Dammit I got you now
American exceptionalism..the founding fathers knew about and dismissed evolution before Darwin was born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think thats closer to dementia if you expect me to believe that


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The term "American exceptionalism" itself was first used by members of the American Communist Party in the 1920s, in reference to their belief that "thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions, America might for a long while avoid the crisis that must eventually befall every capitalist society."[/link]


wikipedia: [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism]American exceptionalism

Time, it seems, has run out: back to religion=state, and the Divine right of kings, no doubt soon to follow.

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 5:51:52 AM   
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Funny, all the christians I know seem to agree that evolution is a solid theory, a few even say the bible supports it in the way that the creation story is written, although they do admit that a couple of steps are out of order, which could be in either the translation or how it was written down from the oral traditions.


Funny, the ones I know home school so their kids aren't taught evil falsehoods like evolution.



How many would that be? Just a round number no need to be exact. Aprox how many people do you know personally who home school their kids?

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RE: Founding Fathers rejected Evolution - 6/10/2011 6:03:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes well I am all for American Exceptionalism  - I like most things to be exceptional - and I hate to argue with the avatar lady, but I just wanted to observe...I mean you people do realize - it appears you are all sharp enough to know - just because Darwin had not yet quantified the idea of evolution, the concept would have existed and been pondered by such progressive minds as the founding fathers. To openly assume that the idea of evolution suddenly emerged with the publishing of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection in 1859 is, well, reactionary, to say the least. To do so, or even pretend to do so ultimately feeds the argument of those who would write history to suit their own needs. Just my two cents.

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