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ORIGINAL: subfever

While I'm sure Peaceniks are well-intentioned, good people; I'm equally sure that they'll never accomplish their goals within our system of competition and scarcity, which requires us to feed off of each other.

War is a symptom of the underlying systemic cause.

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I think you miss the larger point of the thread

And unless you went to pro peace meetings, etc, you would not know that there is effort to change the system, or the structure, which leads to war

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Since you seem to have first-hand experience, what systemic changes have they advocated?

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The Pro Peace Movement in the USA

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2. another way of looking at it Julia is the number of Posts made on here by the "Pro Peace Caucus" and what was considered lawbreaking untill Obama got elected.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/dennis-kucinich-obama-impeachment_n_838502.html


Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has panned President Obama's decision to participate in Saturday's missile attack on Libya, going so far as to question whether the strikes should be considered an "impeachable offense."

In a lengthy statement dated March 18 and re-printed in full on his website, Kucinich notes:

While the action is billed as protecting the civilians of Libya, a no-fly-zone begins with an attack on the air defenses of Libya and Qaddafi forces. It is an act of war. The president made statements which attempt to minimize U.S. action, but U.S. planes may drop U.S. bombs and U.S. missiles may be involved in striking another sovereign nation. War from the air is still war.

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Some people take part in the peace movement to advocate for better working conditions

To spend more money on education, rather than spend money on bombs

Some take part in it to call attention to the plight of poor people in the developing world and appalling work conditions

Some people take part to call attention to violence against women

Some advocate voting in certain ways

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There is a large coalition of people who are pro peace, many working within their community to make it a more socially just place to be... each one teach one, and you do what you can in your own backyard.... try to impact the larger system by chipping away at it in your own way.

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While the above efforts are worthy, they still do not address the systemic, underlying cause of war.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

breathplay is fun, but you have to be real careful who you play with:)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think most people were looking for someone to set limits on our involvement…They were realizing that Iraq was a mistake and Obama is getting us out on a reasonable schedule. Yeah, same as the GWB schedule.

He has been doing the same in Afghanistan while keeping up the pressure on insurgents. I do believe most people were and are for the war in Afghanistan but since the killing of Ben Laden the reason to be there is gone. Wrong. Most people knew that IF bin Laden was still in A-stan there was no way in hell of capturing or killing him without sustaning mass casualties. Bush's de-escalation was late in coming, but Obamas re-escalation pointless.



Butch

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

breathplay is fun, but you have to be real careful who you play with:)

Posts like this is why I find it very hard not to like you Lucy.

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FR....

Where are the large mass protests and marches in places like Washington DC and New York julia?

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

FR....

Where are the large mass protests and marches in places like Washington DC and New York julia?