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The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 3:31:17 PM   
puella


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What is the problem, if you are one of the ones who has a problem, with gay marriage?  How does it threaten you?  Why do you feel it should not be allowed?

Here is my position.  They are citizens of our country paying taxes and allowed the same liberties as you and I.  If you have a problem with it in a religious context.. I would bet you are in a religion that will not recognize their union within in it's domain, and that is fine.  However, in terms of a civic concepts, your religious beliefs really have no impact on a judicial issue, or shouldn't.  A civil union should be permitted between any two citizens of this country who wish to build a home and life together (didn't the big boys say something about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?).  They also pay taxes.  If you are not going to allow them the fiscal and social benefits of a legal union, are you going to let them get a tax break?  Why should they pay for your kids schools if they are not allowed the right to create a family and raise children that will use them?  Should they get a break on housing as they not only are being denied the tax breaks of head of household etc, but also the chance of ever getting that tax break (my point being, that a single hetero has that option , a single homosexual never will). 

Okay, I just lost an additional two cents, but I very much look forward to this debate!
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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:01:46 PM   
JohnWarren


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Status: offline 		Actually, I like the idea of civil unions completely replacing marriage as the legal union.  You could pair them up.  If someone gets married in a church they fill out one more form and get a civil union.  That's what would allow them to get insurance, tax breaks and all the nonreligious stuff that goes with a "marriage."  Don't want the ceremony, just fill out the form.  Massachusetts goes pretty far toward that with an old law that allows anyone to perform a marriage and you can pretty much chose your own ceremony.

If someone doesn't want a civil union certificate they are certainly free to do so, in the situation I propose; they just pay taxes as individuals and can't get a family rate for insurance.

This way we let the religious have their ceremony but seperate it from the stuff that's been piled on to marriage which has nothing to do with religion.  After all, one can get confirmed but it don't mean squat with city hall.

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:09:13 PM   
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I completly agree with everything you just said!!!!!

No one has the right to force their religiously based rules and laws onto other people.

Homosexuals are human beings. They are no different then you and I. They are two people in love, who wish to build a life together. Simple as that.

I also believe homosexuals have the right to adopt children. The fact that you are raised in a gay family does not, I repeat, does not mean you will become gay. Being gay is not a choice, rather something you are born as. Ask any gay person and they will tell you they knew of their different feelings since a very young age, proving that being gay is NOT just a sexual thing. It is not a disease, you cannot catch it. It is not a choice. Living and participating in the gay lifestyle is a choice, as you can simply choose not to live in that way. But actually being gay is not.

Any straight person has attractions to the opposite sex that come naturally. You didnt wake up one day and decide you were straight, you just were. This is exactley the same with homosexuals.

Denying gays the right to marriage is, to me, discrimination. Not to mention it is breaching seperation of church and state.

*smiles real big again*

This should be an interesting debate.

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:28:21 PM   
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I also believe homosexuals have the right to adopt children. The fact that you are raised in a gay family does not, I repeat, does not mean you will become gay.



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I used to know a guy who grew up (this is in Canada) with 2 mothers.  They were lesbians.  As it turns out, he was so affected by this whole thing he ended up despairing and, with the advent of puberty, also became a lesbian.  Never looked at a man.  Now say again it doesn't affect kids.

Sheesh.  You and your heterophobic theories, Jenna.

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Edited to add:  I would like to thank Loki for the word heterophobic.  I, apparently, am a gay, heterophobic man with pinkies on my ass, or something to that effect. 
 

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:29:34 PM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		I agee also.  Everyone deserves a chance to live their lives they way they see fit.  Without prejudice and without fear.  Without ignorant people telling them they are wrong or telling them what they can or cannot do.

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:29:35 PM   
theRose4U


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Status: offline 		Personally your point on schools is a rather irsome one for me as a single woman that can't and frankly doesn't want to have children. I pay for schools, girl scouts, soccer, rec centers and all this other stuff that I don't use because I don't have kids. To be a "good" worker you're expected to help co-workers with litters by purchasing all the crap (candy bars, calenders, etc.) so that there kid can have all the extras that used to be included when we were kids. I actually had to help with petitions to get a dog park near my home so that my "kids" (100# Labs) would have a place to play...talk about your nasty fights.
Gays and lesbians have all the same right to be miserably married as anyone else in the country. If they choose that why not give them the benefit of being able to make medical decisions for their partner, pay the taxes and divorce like everyone else. We're so big in this country on worrying about what goes on in people's bedrooms.
I find it completely hysterical that as a Domme woman that I can line up men neked in my basement, violate them with a strap on, tie them to the wall in multiples and use various leather products on their bodies. This is legal (in the context that these items are purchased in legally licensed stores) and while people would bat an eye in shock, the idea of arresting people for BDSM activities has been limited to pro's and online businesses.
I find it hysterical that 2 women that love each other and are in a monogomous committed relationship paying taxes, supporting their community and doing their thing are somehow so disturbing to people. They don't flaunt this in peoples faces and just go about their lives. A piece of paper isn't going to change their level of committment it just allows them things that most of us take for granted with spouses. Heck why not allow men and women to marry each other. That's one more tax for one more group of people that the government can charge and in the long run it really doesn't change anything for 95% of us on this planet.

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gay men and women should be allowed to be married. Hey, that was easy enough .

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:44:04 PM   
innocentJenna


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Status: offline 		*cracks up for...oh...say....20 minutes*

*regains composure*

*Is officially in love with benji and his responses*

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:47:38 PM   
kittensmailbox


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Status: offline 		Agrees 110% The government has no right to say that two ppl of legal age age can not marry just b/c they are of the same sex...

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:48:24 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Glad to have a fan.  Now if you'd just turn Domme, move to Toronto, and do everything I want you to, you'd be the perfect Mistress for me.

Yours,


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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 4:54:35 PM   
innocentJenna


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1. Become a Domme
2. Move to Toronto
3. Do everything Benji wants

pfffff....this will be easy

*grins*

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:02:47 PM   
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Glad to have a fan.  Now if you'd just turn Domme, move to Toronto, and do everything I want you to, you'd be the perfect Mistress for me.

Yours,


benji


* coughs and mumbles "opping-tay rom-fay the ottom-bay*

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:03:57 PM   
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*writes down instructions on her to do list*

1. Become a Domme
2. Move to Toronto
3. Do everything Benji wants

pfffff....this will be easy

*grins*


Here jenna, a going away present........*hands her a slicker suit and some water boots*

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:07:38 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		I think government should get out of the marriage game. Give it back to the churches. Civil unions like John said above should be doled out by the government. Marriage is a religious concept, so that's who should control such things. And it would be the churches right to select who they want to marry. So, maybe gay people couldn't get married in a catholic church, but they could go to another.


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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:07:53 PM   
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*gets all smiley and teary eyed*

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:07:58 PM   
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Here jenna, a going away present........*hands her a slicker suit and some water boots*



Hey, better than no reputation at all!

NOW STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD ALL OF YOU.

Let's find some Christian rightists, convince them that Collarme refers to the Priests collar, have them post, find some gay people, have them post, and soon we'll actually have an interesting thread, rather than:

"I agree with you."

"Thank you.  I agree with myself as well."

"Good point.  Agreeing is fun."

Yours,


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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:10:19 PM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		Anyone should be able to get a civil union.  Gays, Masters and slaves, etc., if only for the insurance and tax breaks that married people enjoy. 

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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:11:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Glad to have a fan.  Now if you'd just turn Domme, move to Toronto, and do everything I want you to, you'd be the perfect Mistress for me.

Yours,


benji


* coughs and mumbles "opping-tay rom-fay the ottom-bay*


And the coveted Coffee-Sputter Award for today goes to Level!! Congratulations!


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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:18:00 PM   
Level


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Awwww shucks, Level. Arnt you sweet

*gets all smiley and teary eyed*


Yes, yes I am.  

Okay, benji, we'll stop hijacking the thread.


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RE: The Problem with Gay Marriages - 5/14/2006 5:19:28 PM   
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And the coveted Coffee-Sputter Award for today goes to Level!! Congratulations!



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