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GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 6:52:20 PM   
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GOP set to roll back child labor laws
JESSICA VANEGEREN | The Capital Times


Others are not as pleased. Jon Peacock, research director with the Wisconsin Council on Children and Families, cautions the rollback of child labor laws comes down to “devaluing” the education of the state’s 16- and 17-year-olds.

According to an analyst with the Wisconsin Fiscal Bureau, the new law would allow 16- and 17-year-olds to work an unlimited number of hours per week. Current law caps the number of hours they can work at 32 hours on a partial school week; 26 hours during a full school week; and 50 hours during non-school weeks, such as over spring break or during the summer.

The motion would also repeal the state law that prevents 16- and 17-year-olds from working more than six days a week. And 14- and 15-year-olds would be allowed to work until 9 p.m. on a school day, but only on the few school days that fall between June 1 and Labor Day (currently they can only work until 8 p.m.). Teens of all ages would still be banned from working during school hours.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/capitol-report/article_77bf08b2-93c5-11e0-8876-001cc4c03286.html


The GOP-controlled Legislature is expected to vote this week on a proposal that would roll back the state’s child labor laws. The move would expand the number of hours 16- and 17-year-olds could work in any given week and on any given day.






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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 7:24:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh the horror! 16 and 17 year old kids can now work 7 days a week. My goodness gracious, what an outrage! And extending the time from 8PM to 9PM for 14 and 15 year olds just screams of child labor. Won't someone think of the children!

On a serious note, it's especially rich how this Peacock clown can state that this can "devalue" the kids' education. Last I checked the public school system was leading the charge in that realm.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 7:44:52 PM   
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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:07:27 PM   
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They have a lifetime of work ahead of them. There is no reason for them to start working this early when they should be focusing on getting an education unless it's because Republicans want to go after Social Security.


You think that working at 14 and 15 is too early? I was working at that age, and I'm sure many people reading this were too. When I was 16-17 I was working 7 days a week during the summer (I didn't know that it was illegal). It augmented my overtime and helped me save for school. I was thankful for my employer for giving me so many hours. I was hardly "exploited." It was an opportunity.

Why can't kids that are 16-17 work 7 days a week? Why can't 14 and 15 year old work past 8PM? I find this to be absolutely ridiculous. I'm sure many of the more senior folk on these boards would agree. I think that it's pathetic that some kids don't work in high school. It's even worse when kids don't work in college. Kind of unrelated, but I have some classmates who are 25-27 and they have never worked a job in their life.

Pretty soon, with the way things are going, you'll have to be 18 to work. But, it's okay... it's for the children!


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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:08:48 PM   
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Oh the horror! 16 and 17 year old kids can now work 7 days a week. My goodness gracious, what an outrage! And extending the time from 8PM to 9PM for 14 and 15 year olds just screams of child labor. Won't someone think of the children!

On a serious note, it's especially rich how this Peacock clown can state that this can "devalue" the kids' education. Last I checked the public school system was leading the charge in that realm.



A 16 or 17 year old gets off work at 9. Home by ten. Then its how many hours of homework before sleep and class the next day? Last I heard it was two hours of homework for every hour in class. Has that changed?

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:20:28 PM   
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Last I heard it was two hours of homework for every hour in class. Has that changed?

It never was. That would be about 8-10 hours of homework every day.

K.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:25:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		One month after I turned 17 I was living all on my own and going to school and working to support myself. I only had 2 classes to take to finish high school so that wasnt a heavy workload at all. Thank gawd there were no laws that would have restricted me and my ability to earn a living back then! I went on to buy my first house at 21.

Imo, its up to the kids if they want to work then they should be given that choice. Btw, I grew up on a farm and I did farm work like milk the cows, clean the barn, haul bales, feed the critters, do gardening, etc, guess that was illegal unpaid child labor by todays standards...

Should I have kids, I dont give a flying fig what the laws are, as soon as they can crawl I will have them working (for me), doing something productive even if its just stuffing envelopes!

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:31:07 PM   
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Usually two-and-one half hours of homework per academic subject per week should be allowed.


http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/counseling/hsp.htm

From a school web site, which seems to correspond with the blogs I just read. AP classes a bit more. That means 1 am to bed before school the next day. Im sure some can do it. I am also sure some cannot and need more time.

I worked from the time I was 13. In this day and age of grades being a priority for college placement... I just dont see this as a good thing.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:31:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see the problem. Some children need to work in order to have clothing & extras like school supplies. When I was in school, my parents wouldn't let me work except one summer. But they provided all of those things for me. Many children come from homes where there isn't an abundance like there was in my family.

And the 2 hours of homework per 1 hour of class time is a college thing. So if you're taking 2 or 3 hours of classes each day, you have 4-6 hours of homework that night. Never had that much in high school. That wouldn't have left time for sleep, since I took 7 classes per day.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:32:49 PM   
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A 16 or 17 year old gets off work at 9. Home by ten. Then its how many hours of homework before sleep and class the next day? Last I heard it was two hours of homework for every hour in class. Has that changed?


Who knows? I find it hard to believe that someone would spend 2 hours a day for every class. I never spent 2 hours a day doing homework in high school, and I'm not sure that very many kids do.

But this point is irrelevant. If someone wants to take their schoolwork seriously and do 8 hours of homework and studying every day, then good for them. What's stopping them from doing so if these laws were repealed?

If some kid wants to work a lot of hours, let em'. If some kid wants to do homework for 8 hours a day, let em'. What these laws do is just force a cookie-cutter mentality on the entire population, and screw over the kids that would like to work more hours. They do nothing to keep kids in school or help them study; they just prevent kids that want to work more hours from doing so.

My question to all the naysayers is simply this: Why would you want to stop a kid from working when he/she voluntarily enters in the agreement and sees the additional hours as beneficial?

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:38:45 PM   
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I think a lot of kids drop out of school because they think they can make it without school.
Hell, didnt you know EVERYDAMNTHING you needed to know by the time you were 16? I did LOL (yeah right)
They can go to work and buy that cool car. Then 2 years later, they have dropped out of school and they have no education and just a McJob and no prospects of anything better.

By the way, the car is broken down now.

Anything to keep kids in school is good. Seriously, how many 16 year olds are mature enough to decide whether they need to attend school or not?
Also the little factor that every kid working puts a marginal adult out of a job.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:45:32 PM   
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Gonna disagree with you profive.

I think a lot of kids drop out of school because they think they can make it without school.
Hell, didnt you know EVERYDAMNTHING you needed to know by the time you were 16? I did LOL (yeah right)
They can go to work and buy that cool car. Then 2 years later, they have dropped out of school and they have no education and just a McJob and no prospects of anything better.

By the way, the car is broken down now.

Anything to keep kids in school is good. Seriously, how many 16 year olds are mature enough to decide whether they need to attend school or not?
Also the little factor that every kid working puts a marginal adult out of a job.


Some of those kids want to work as much as possible every summer to save for college when they get out of high school, you would deny them that?

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:49:50 PM   
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Some of those kids want to work as much as possible every summer to save for college when they get out of high school, you would deny them that?


The changes, if I read it correctly, were more to do with during school than summer hours.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:51:37 PM   
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If some kid wants to work a lot of hours, let em'. If some kid wants to do homework for 8 hours a day, let em'. What these laws do is just force a cookie-cutter mentality on the entire population, and screw over the kids that would like to work more hours. They do nothing to keep kids in school or help them study; they just prevent kids that want to work more hours from doing so.


What those laws also did was protect kids from being told... you work tonight or you don't have a job, fuck your schooling.

I dont see this passing.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:53:48 PM   
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Gonna disagree with you profive.

I think a lot of kids drop out of school because they think they can make it without school.
Hell, didnt you know EVERYDAMNTHING you needed to know by the time you were 16? I did LOL (yeah right)
They can go to work and buy that cool car. Then 2 years later, they have dropped out of school and they have no education and just a McJob and no prospects of anything better.

By the way, the car is broken down now.

Anything to keep kids in school is good. Seriously, how many 16 year olds are mature enough to decide whether they need to attend school or not?
Also the little factor that every kid working puts a marginal adult out of a job.


These laws do nothing to keep kids in school. They just prevent kids that want to work additional hours from doing so.



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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:56:24 PM   
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What those laws also did was protect kids from being told... you work tonight or you don't have a job, fuck your schooling.

I dont see this passing.


No they don't. What's stopping employers from saying this under the current laws?

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 8:56:37 PM   
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Some of those kids want to work as much as possible every summer to save for college when they get out of high school, you would deny them that?


The changes, if I read it correctly, were more to do with during school than summer hours.


It changes all hours, during school and when school is out. Its better and easier on a kid especially to work the hours he/she wants to for one employer rather than have to find a second job to circumvent the law (which is what a determined kid would do, imo). It also gives him/her the chance to earn a lot more due to working overtime (if available/offered).

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 9:02:30 PM   
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But, consider who is wanting this bill passed. Do they have the best interests of children at heart?

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 9:09:52 PM   
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I didnt see that part, my bad

But, consider who is wanting this bill passed. Do they have the best interests of children at heart?


Its still a free country, no one is forcing kids to work, its up to them. And it is still up to the parents to make sure that the kid is able to handle the hours and job. Imo, more attention should be paid to making sure kids are safe at work and trained to think safety first. I seem to recall that the death rate for kids on the job is very high. When I was 17 I was working full time as a general laborer putting gas pipe under the roads and highways.

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RE: GOP set to roll back child labor laws - 6/13/2011 9:18:57 PM   
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