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Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are The L... - 6/14/2011 6:35:07 AM

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New England and northern states are the beat,Louisiana and the murder belt are the worst.

"To determine the rankings, the index looked at factors including homicide rates, violent crimes, percentage of the population in jail, number of police officers and availability of small arms.

The Index also estimates the "total cost of violence" for each state which reflects the cost of correctional and policing services, judicial system and medical costs associated with violent crime and homicide, and lost productivity and wages. In Maine, that total cost per person is $656; in Louisiana it is $2,458.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/06/national/main20051245.shtml#ixzz1PFzlsgnQ

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 6:37:53 AM

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Availability of small arms? The NRA will claim that that leads to lower crime, and the gun-control types will claim the opposite. Regardless, having lots of cops is not a reliable indicator either.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:20:23 PM

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New England and northern states are the beat,Louisiana and the murder belt are the worst.

What a crock of shit...

They rank Maine as the most peaceful state. It's not. It's fifth. And their list of the 10 most peaceful states omits Wyoming, South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho. They rank Louisiana as the state with the most violence. It's not. It's seventeenth. And their list of the 10 most violent states omits California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina.

Violent Crime by State

Garbage in, garbage out.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:26:22 PM

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This list seems to bias toward states with one large city that is high on the violent crimes list.

New orleans, Memphis. etc.

These cities are not representative of the state as a whole demographically, financially or in any other way.

They kind of remind me of Miami vs the rest of FL. A totally different environment.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:28:45 PM

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This list seems to bias toward states with one large city that is high on the violent crimes list.

New orleans, Memphis. etc.

These cities are not representative of the state as a whole demographically, financially or in any other way.

They kind of remind me of Miami vs the rest of FL. A totally different environment.

Would you believe that until recently, Jacksonville was ahead of Miami in the muder department?....

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:37:40 PM

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This list seems to bias toward states with one large city that is high on the violent crimes list.

New orleans, Memphis. etc.

These cities are not representative of the state as a whole demographically, financially or in any other way.

They kind of remind me of Miami vs the rest of FL. A totally different environment.

Would you believe that until recently, Jacksonville was ahead of Miami in the muder department?....

I left miami in the mid 90's when it was already calming down.

The worst was early 80's after mariel and the may riots combined with the expanding market for cocaine made possible by the popularization of crack. Murder central.

I was talking more about how miami is errrrrrrrm culturally totally different from the rest of the state.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:43:58 PM

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Miami is differnt from anywhere, much like New Orleans always has been.
First time I went to Miami(a long time ago ) what was then the West Germans would fill whole hotels. You always knew they were Germans, you could never forget the 80 year old topless women...no matter how hard you tried! The South Americans as well as Cubans,hell, just the New York Jewish people and all their families, and now of course you add Hatians and few others.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:53:26 PM

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This list seems to bias toward states with one large city that is high on the violent crimes list.

The list has been fucking massaged by mixing in factors other than violent crime, oddly enough to an effect that kept the highest violent crime blue states off the 10 most violent list, and peaceful red states as much as possible off the other.

It may not be conscious or deliberate, but given the extraneous factors chosen it ain't by chance.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 2:56:47 PM

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New England and northern states are the beat,Louisiana and the murder belt are the worst.

What a crock of shit...

They rank Maine as the most peaceful state. It's not. It's fifth. And their list of the 10 most peaceful states omits Wyoming, South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho. They rank Louisiana as the state with the most violence. It's not. It's seventeenth. And their list of the 10 most violent states omits California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina.

Violent Crime by State

Garbage in, garbage out.

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After looking at both lists, I do believe that CBS needs to re-evaluate its lists, they have a lot of wrong data.

God I hate to agree with Kirata.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 3:00:23 PM

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If you study the methodology you will see that the poll is grossly flawed. The fact that I own firearms makes Alabama more violent according to this poll.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 3:34:34 PM

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The list has been fucking massaged by mixing in factors other than violent crime, oddly enough to an effect that kept the highest violent crime blue states off the 10 most violent list, and peaceful red states as much as possible off the othe

When people do not live in a place, it is hard for them to commit violent crime... no people, no crime... and those states are seriously unpopulated.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 4:01:41 PM

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When people do not live in a place, it is hard for them to commit violent crime... no people, no crime... and those states are seriously unpopulated.

That's very true. But, according to their website the so-called "United States Peace Index" doesn't appear to be using per capita crime statistics either.

Apples to apples. Note the following, however...

Maine was ranked first overall because it topped the list of states on three of the five USPI indicators: number of violent crimes, number of police officers and the incarceration rate.

From the wording it appears they may be mixing data types, which is either ignorant or purposeful. Take your pick.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 4:04:56 PM

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When people do not live in a place, it is hard for them to commit violent crime... no people, no crime... and those states are seriously unpopulated.

That's very true. But, according to their website the so-called "United States Peace Index" didn't use per capita numbers either.

Apples to apples.

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I did not think it was a very good measure of anything to be honest. When we change the things we look at, the things we look at change.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 4:28:33 PM

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When people do not live in a place, it is hard for them to commit violent crime... no people, no crime... and those states are seriously unpopulated.

That's very true. But, according to their website the so-called "United States Peace Index" didn't use per capita numbers either.

Apples to apples.

K.

I did not think it was a very good measure of anything to be honest. When we change the things we look at, the things we look at change.

Excellent point

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 6:32:52 PM

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How can you base crime rate on anything else than per total population.

A friend of mine in college, an Anthropology major insisted that Humans were not socially inclined to live in large population densities, he pointed to how crime rates rise dramatically in large cities versus small towns.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 7:10:58 PM

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Actually, in terms of per capita violent crime, the results of this ranking isn't too far off. For example, for the State of Maine, there is only one violent crime for every 870 people living there. That happens to be the lowest ratio in the US... and supports the idea that Maine is the most peaceful State.

Based on the Violent Crime by State link provided above by Kirata, and the 2010 population by State, I'm showing the following results for the top ten best and worst:

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 7:17:13 PM

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Actually, in terms of per capita violent crime, the results of this ranking isn't too far off. For example, for the State of Maine, there is only one violent crime for every 870 people living there. That happens to be the lowest ratio in the US... and supports the idea that Maine is the most peaceful State.

Based on the Violent Crime by State link provided above by Kirata, and the 2010 population by State, I'm showing the following results for the top ten best and worst:

I think it is just too damn cold to even be mean in the peaceful states!

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/14/2011 7:18:23 PM

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I think it is just too damn cold to even be mean in the peaceful states!

I think you are on to something!

I wonder how population density comes into play.....

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/15/2011 10:40:50 AM

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Actually, in terms of per capita violent crime, the results of this ranking isn't too far off.

I'll quibble with that...

Compared to your most peaceful rankings, theirs include Massachusetts, Iowa, Minnesota, and Washington, which didn't make it into your top 10, and yours include Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and South Dakota, which didn't make it into theirs.

Compared to your least peaceful rankings, theirs include Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, which didn't make it into your top 10, and yours include New Mexico, Delaware, and Alaska, which didn't make it into theirs (ignoring Washington, D.C.).

That's a bit too "far off" for my taste.

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RE: Which US States Are The Most Peaceful...Which Are T... - 6/15/2011 7:20:25 PM

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I'll quibble with that...

Compared to your most peaceful rankings, theirs include Massachusetts, Iowa, Minnesota, and Washington, which didn't make it into your top 10, and yours include Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and South Dakota, which didn't make it into theirs.

Compared to your least peaceful rankings, theirs include Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, which didn't make it into your top 10, and yours include New Mexico, Delaware, and Alaska, which didn't make it into theirs (ignoring Washington, D.C.).

That's a bit too "far off" for my taste.

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That's true. I did assume they took other factors into consideration which I did not, though. Whether those factors are truly relevant, I don't know.

I don't put much stock in these kinds of rankings at any rate. I think where (within any individual State) and how you live, and your personal habits have just as much to do with just how peaceful your life is, as anything else. I've lived most of my life in States that rank in the bottom half and I've led a very peaceful life so far.

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