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Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 6:46:03 AM

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Watch as these young skulls full of mush try to answer this question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmSzgvaJCn0&feature=player_embedded

Of course, race based preferences are stupid and wrong.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 6:50:55 AM

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TV Sports are for the feeble-minded couch potatoes. Get a life. Enjoy.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:00:19 AM

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How about ending AA at Ivy Leage schools and top universities, where legacy children(mostly all white) get special treatment.

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2011/01/by_peter_sacks_just_how.html

Just how much are "legacies" - students with family ties to graduates - granted an edge in admissions to the most elite institutions in the United States?

Until recently, the answer to this question, based on relatively simple analyses of acceptance rates of legacies and non-legacies, had been fairly settled. Legacies, according to the best evidence, have been treated surprisingly well in the cutthroat admissions game, in which the best and brightest are competing for increasingly scarce and valuable terrain in the American meritocracy.
In a sense, the American meritocracy has functioned as it should, producing an increasingly rich vein of highly qualified students, including both legacies and non-legacies alike. Among legacies, families hope to maintain and reproduce family privilege for the next generation and beyond. Among non-legacies, the goal is even loftier: to vault a child into a fundamentally improved social and economic class, which could vastly alter the child's future opportunities and the economic future of a family's future generations.

According to published estimates, Princeton admits 41 percent of legacy applicants compared to just 9 percent of non-legacies. Brown's accepted 35 percent of legacies compared to just a 13 percent acceptance rate for all applicants. In 2003, Harvard admitted 40 percent of legacy applicants, compared to an acceptance rate of 11 percent overall.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:02:41 AM

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AA needs to be done away with period.

Anything that favors one person over another simply because of their race is, by definition, racist.

Racism is morally wrong.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:05:49 AM

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quote:

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AA needs to be done away with period.

Anything that favors one person over another simply because of their race is, by definition, racist.

Racism is morally wrong.

This

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:06:28 AM

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Sounds reasonable.

What if the discrimination is not based on race but on whether your folks/family are alumni?

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:07:41 AM

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sports is over rated. pay the guys min wage. same with everyone connected to it. A game ticket should cost a few dollars. Not a penny more.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:08:20 AM

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AA needs to be done away with period.

Anything that favors one person over another simply because of their race is, by definition, racist.

Racism is morally wrong.

But Aff. Act. is about equal opportunity, not preference.

That's why the sports example is a false analogy.

Guess the "professor" skipped class that day.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:11:16 AM

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Sounds reasonable.

What if the discrimination is not based on race but on whether your folks/family are alumni?

I think, owner, that belongs in a topic all it's own.

The topic here is race based affirmative action.

As for Ive league schools, Some of them recruited me, not the other way around so I have no experience with the 'legacy effect'.

I heard, though, that they were really into "cultural and geographic diversity" in the 70's so maybe they needed a hillbilly with awesome test scores LOL.

I didn't go to the Ivy league, too damn cold up there. I went to miami instead.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:15:02 AM

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quote:

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AA needs to be done away with period.

Anything that favors one person over another simply because of their race is, by definition, racist.

Racism is morally wrong.

But Aff. Act. is about equal opportunity, not preference.

That's why the sports example is a false analogy.

Guess the "professor" skipped class that day.

Gotta disagree with you MM.

If there is an admission test and one person scores 80 and another scores 85 and you only have one spot, who should you admit?

If I take the 80 person because of a "quota" did the person with 85 have equal opportunity?

"I have a dream that some day a man will be judged by the content of his heart rather than by the color of his skin" -------- MLK Jr.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:17:23 AM

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And that's the difference between quotas and Aff. Action.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:22:57 AM

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MM, if you exchange the word "quota' with the word "preference" it is still morally wrong and flies in the face of MLK's "dream".

You are still judging a man (or woman) by the color of his skin rather than the content of his heart.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:28:54 AM

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You are completely missing the point---that I agree with you, except that you are mistakenly using quotas and Aff. Action interchangeably.

In fact, quotas aren't legal. If that's the case here, legal action is warranted.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:29:27 AM

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AA needs to be done away with period.

Anything that favors one person over another simply because of their race is, by definition, racist.

Racism is morally wrong.

Actually, affirmative action has been a smashing success and has resulted in a great deal of success in desegregation in housing and the workplace. The problem is that now, we have minorities in the haves as well as the have-nots, and the haves are the ones that now benefit. AA has no point now.

We need as a nation to see what, if any, new direction we want to take regarding race. Time for a change.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:30:56 AM

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And here I can agree.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:40:13 AM

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MM, I think we're agreeing a lot more than not it's just a matter of definitions and semantics.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:47:19 AM

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Yes, we are agreeing a lot, but no, it's not just a matter of definitions and semantics.

If it were, the premise of this thread would have immediately been seen for the false analogy it is.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:50:33 AM

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Pssssst, MM, we kinda hijacked hell outa the OP.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 7:52:57 AM

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I don't think so...it's at the heart of the premise of his position.

Anyway, he never discusses issues, just posts and runs.

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RE: Should Affirmative Action be Applied to Athletics? - 6/14/2011 8:11:15 AM

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Here is the problem with your analogy of professional sports and affirmative action....

There are literally thousands of AA cases out there, and only like 2 percent of all AA suits involve "reverse discrimination". If the problem was as big as you think it is, there would be many more.

The second problem with your comparison is that in order to have a valid AA claim, you have to show that you have the educational qualifications, and relevant job experience to be in contention for a job.

If you notice, you do not see AA cases in Hollywood because the "star system" favors Whites over every other category. You do not see black women suing the Ford Modeling Agency for their hiring practices...

In athletics it is pretty cut and dried, either you have the qualifications, or you don't. There is no relevant educational qualification. There is no relevant job experience criteria as there are with other jobs. It is more analogous to Hollywood or Ford Modeling Agency.

The AA cases that are brought that have a chance of winning are those in which people can show that they were as qualified as anyone else that applied, but they were passed over for employment because of their ethnicity or other protected status.

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