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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 10:30:43 AM   
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For whatever reasons, people are drawn to controversy and drama, more than solutions.


Maybe not as much as it might appear. Have you seen the "So what's your plan" thread?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3682853/tm.htm

It has at this point 1972 views....more than any other topic, and in recent months, second only to one other.

It also has (back a few pages from the current discussion) quite a list of positive, practical directions.

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 10:37:41 AM   
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P.S. Here's a direct link to that list:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3695988

[see also Bina's vertical building idea later, and fever's resource-based economy discussion]

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 10:54:15 AM   
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National defense...What ever it takes to remain the most powerful military on earth. Too many times between world wars we have cut military spending encouraging our enemies to attack. But as in another thread we do not need to project our power in other countries and civil wars.

The economy…to be able to maintain our military and a reasonable standard of living for our citizens.

To become energy self sufficient.

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 1:21:34 PM   
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But, Butch....

We are far and away the most powerful military on earth, spending more than the rest of the world combined---including billions on things the Pentagon doesn't even want.

It's become not about national defense, but about a free ticket to government contracts. Cut back. Way back.

And we'll still be the most powerful military on earth.

By the way....

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/11/157596/military-spending-doubled-since-2001/

The U.S. spent an astounding $698 billion on the military last year, an 81% increase over the last decade.

U.S. spending on the military last year far exceeded any other country. We spent six times more than China (the second largest spender).

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Rank 1-10 Observations: The United States (GFP formula value of 0.184) remains the undisputed leader of our list thanks to their staying "active" in global hotspots, showcasing the world's largest navy and continuing to pour in gobs of money into defense.

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 1:46:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Sound fiscal policy (this is one that has many issues in it like balanced budget, tax reform, and stabilization of the economy)

Reduction in our role as a military power, so that defense spending can be cut.

Campaign reform




I can only point out that unless and until item #3 is dealt with, the other two items or any others in this or other threads on the subject cannot be considered in any meaningful way.

In any event the whole question of congressional (and presidential) influence goes a good bit beyond the simple FEC listed contributors to individual campaigns. The lobbying and closely related DC consulting and public relations firms constitute a very healthy and ever growing industry, and the revolving door between high ranking regulatory positions and law/lobbying firms is both much less visible and much more harmul than the congress members' participation in that process.

In the majority of these instances it's not a matter of a regulator being awarded a job with the lobbying firm or interested corporation, it's actually much worse; the regulators are former corporate lawyers or lobbyists for that industry.

That is how the FTC kept approving mergers that were clearly against their original mandate and contrary to every established practice concerning industrial organization and market regulation, especially in allowing the 1st and 2nd largest oil companies to merge, followed closely by the merger of #3 and #4. Likewise the FTC, the FED, OCC, etc. with the banks, even aside from the Banking Modernization Act in 2000 which removed the prohibition of common ownership of commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies.

So now we have the big four oil companies and the big four banks.

All the above due too incessant and unrelenting pressure from the interested parties, effected both by campaign contributions and by lobbying.

Hence the vicious cycle: the larger and fewer the corporations in an industry, the greater the effect as from both the amount and concentration of funds available to influence the law making process.

"Big Pharma" and agro-chem have for years also spent heavily on congressional influence and are adept players at the revolving door game with the relevant regulatory agencies. Micheal Taylor (Monsanto) is the poster boy for that sector, but only the most audacious and successful of the many who industry places in the FDA, USDA, etc. 


http://electionlawblog.org/archives/018727.html

"As long as lobbying and campaign donations remain both substitutes and complements, we should not study one without studying the other. Both are different means for achieving a similar set of political ends, ... "

"Each time the courts or legislatures try to regulate a particular type of political institution, political entrepreneurs find new outlets to channel their energies. Party donors become supporters of 527s, then 501c4s and c6s. Lobbyists deregister and become consultants. They are shapeshifters. We see it in campaign finance, and we see it in lobbying."





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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 5:56:48 PM   
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There is of course some validity to what you say and I'm not disputing it... As I've said before if we were to recall all military forces to our borders and stop being the worlds policeman then we can maintain the same military for much less... We could then easily afford a comprehensive healthcare system as well as repair our infrastructure... We would also give a boost to local economies around the expanded stateside military bases.

I believe this strategy would force other western nations to increase their militaries and start paying their fair share in defense of their way of life.

If we become self sufficient in energy we can tell the middle east to go to hell...solve your own problems...just leave us alone.

Butch

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 6:13:51 PM   
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Good points, Butch. I agree.

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 6:22:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Good points, Butch. I agree.



Damn...Im feeling like Red Fox saying... "This is the big one...You hear that Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you honey."

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RE: What is most important? - 6/16/2011 9:04:01 PM   
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To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women.


wait... that was Conan.

Encourage companies to stop outsourcing jobs that Americans need, control our borders (so that we know who is crossing), bring our troops home where they belong

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