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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 11:29:13 AM   
popularDemand


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labour, conservative, liberal, it's all the same... the colours have blended to wonderful shit-brown.

The shit-brown shade we corrently swim against the current in.

I will pahunkboy in praise of needle's tattooed post.

It's not just about the money... it's about lives.

The lives of the vulnerable are at risk here, in this specific instance, and on a much wider reaching scale.

We WILL see more care homes close, we WILL see disabled loose benefits, support and assistance. Quality of life will flounder after twenty years of building a semblance of integration and involvement.

The horrid victorian model of long-stay hospitals took a very long time to put behind us. Though there are still many people who suffer the scars of an enclosed and abused life in those institutions. As budgets shrink, we WILL see shrinkage in independant and integrated living for the vulnerable.
At this rate under this current political and economical model, there is no-where to go but build new, larger units to hold and herd those people we have been struggling so hard to free.

You can take your profit motive and fucking choke on it. Banker!
 
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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 11:55:06 AM   
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PD. I dont disagree with the above post, especially the bit about all political parties merging to be the same.

The main problem with all of this is as follows. The money isnt available to do everything we could. I would look again at the PFI agreements we have and make them fairer. Brown used them as smoke and mirrors to make it seem he was spending more than he actually was. All he was doing was building up debt for the future.

It`s all very well moaning about banks and politicians but where is the money going to come from ? Spending needs to be brought under control, or at least the debt needs to be reduced, before we can do anything else.

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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 11:59:38 AM   
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all well and good.... but can I still spit bile?

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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 12:01:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popularDemand

all well and good.... but can I still spit bile?

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Fine by me.

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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 4:01:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

... but a bank is not a charity, they are there to make money and if they make a loss on something they will shut it down. That's not such a strange concept, is it?




Not a strange concept at all. It's a standard part of the equation.

So then why are RBS and other banks that lost so much money (RBS itself -much- more than those retirement homes) still here?






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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 9:23:21 PM   
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"Not a strange concept at all. It's a standard part of the equation."

Why wasn't it when they opened them ? They did it for public relations. All the inmates probably transerred their funds to that bank, and now that they have their talons on the money they have no use for those from who it came. Throw the bums out.

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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/20/2011 9:51:20 PM   
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I especially liked the little ditty about "banks are not a charity."

Of course they are not, nor should any private business be such (other than to the extent they voluntarily wish to be).

The convenient overlooking of banks being eager recipients of billions of pounds in charity from taxpayers seems to be in contravention to the 'capitalism 101' lecture there.

Anybody else notice that?

Too bad about educational concerns or other society building efforts, folks. There are bigger fish to fry here; the billionnaire-worth bond holders don't have all the patience in the world, you know.


Sorry suckers, that's who you gave charity to.










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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/21/2011 12:26:30 AM   
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You can consider me among those who were dismayed that Brown handed over so much of our money to the banks without thinking to add a contract saying "don't spend 50% of it on bonuses in the first week". It was obvious that the bonuses would happen even as the banks insisted that they wouldn't.

But, this is why we have elections and no doubt that choice was another nail in the previous government's coffin. Moving on now.

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RE: Bailed out RBS shuts three care homes to save £1.3... - 6/21/2011 5:57:57 AM   
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Perhaps one reason why on average only 76% of voter turnout is recorded in Britain, because no matter who or what party you enable control, they are all the same, the status quo will not be changed despite electioneering promises that get conveniently forgotten when power is obtained.

This country like many other countries exists for business first and we are not just people, but employees of that government business, in that we pay it more and more in taxes to exist, but what does it do for us, well, it makes conditions at least favourable so that we can be employed by companies and there pay the government for the privlige of being able to work for a company via our wage taxation. A government must make the conditions favourable for companies to exist in the country and employ people as if they didn't the companies would leave or cease to be, and all hell will then break loose, anarchy in the uk.

But as with all people, politicians are just the same, they desire to enrich themselves by whatever means possible and if the lowliest worker can accept a cash in hand job and not pay the government its tithe, then the highest politician can also do the same so enriching themselves as they desire and in many cases do so from the companies that exist in the country to employ people, the cash in hand jobs, lobbying perhaps are all part of the system that make conditions favourable for companies to exist. Front door and back door actions to enrich all concerned, we are all guilty of it, but the higher up the ladder one goes, the worse it looks and especially so when it is politicians that are concerned, because much of the public holds politicians to higher or lesser ideals.

But why vote, is it actually going to change anything, will the status quo be challenged, if there was a clear indication that all the change promised by all parties everytime actually would result in change in the favour of the people, I might again be inclined to vote, but half way through my natural life so far, I am somewhat dismayed at what I have seen so far, and can only think liars, like the liars before and the liars to come. Further to that, no one, is inspiring me as to their value as a leader to follow, as I guess the situation is with many others as is much the case, voting often is for the lesser of all evils.

At one time we used to reward those who achieved merit, now we don't, at one time our political system was a meritocracy meaning anyone from anywhere could rise to lead all, but now we have politicians trained from birth at schools where the aim is to create politicians, where is  the merit in that, when it is many of the politicians that share the benches in Parliament despite their political allegiance all sat next to each other on the same benches in the same schools. They were taught to lead by the status quo, whom eventually it is hoped all of them will serve.

It quite definately is, a case of them versus us, the status quo and it's retainers against those who put idealism first.

As Pahunk so often puts it, follow the money, because where there is money, there is power and control and that power and control derived however and whatever, fair does not even come into it, as money has very few morals and quite often those that are the wealthiest similarly so, or else, would they be the wealthiest at all in the first place ?


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