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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 9:43:05 PM   
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Where did you all hear about this ?

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 4:03:28 AM   
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Where did you all hear about this ?

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What ?


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 1:51:22 PM   
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Who runs your nuclear power stations, state or private corporations ?

With the latter, I would be worried, why, because of theĀ  shareholder profit/ service/safety equation

Although Britain has had a nuclear disaster an incident which reached level 5 on the 7point scale of the international nuclear event scale in 1957 which resulted in the name of the adjoining town being changed from Windscale to Sellafield. This was matched by the incident at Three Mile Island, but exceeded by Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi which reached level 7, major accident.

But, looking at the scale on wikipedia brings home the fact that Nuclear energy is anything but safe of those incidents that have been recorded and catagorised.

But interesting in that the UK Windscale plant was initially built to make plutonium for atom bombs and it was because of advanced weapons requirements that the level 5 disaster happened in the first place.

Fucking war mongers again.




May I point out that other power plants are not entirely safe, and before you go off and say the damage from non-nuclear plants are not near as dangerous, I suggest you read Tennessee sludge spill estimate grows to 1 billion gallons. The contamination of the river is long lasting and polluting.

In point of fact, all forms of energy generation with the exception of hydroelectric, geo thermal, solar and wind farms have inherent dangers. The air pollution from burning fossil fuels is probably just as long lasting as nuclear contamination, and in the long run, nearly as hazardous.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 1:58:07 PM   
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i don't understand why there's a second thread about this... oy.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3732495/tm.htm
heartcream started that thread a full hour before this one.

there is no "press blackout" because there are news stories being done on this all over the country.
the cooper plant has not been shut down because they believe they are safe. according to their protocols, they will shut down if the water level rises 3 more feet. they aren't "refusing" to do so.

good grief.

the last thing those of us who actually LIVE HERE need are a bunch of people flying around engaging in fear mongering.


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 2:40:03 PM   
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LillyBoPeep, there are a few on this board that see everything as some sort of Government Conspiracy. I have pointed out that doing a simple google news search comes up with stories from as far away as the NY Times seems to make no difference to these people.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 2:41:32 PM   
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i don't understand why there's a second thread about this... oy.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3732495/tm.htm
heartcream started that thread a full hour before this one.

there is no "press blackout" because there are news stories being done on this all over the country.
the cooper plant has not been shut down because they believe they are safe. according to their protocols, they will shut down if the water level rises 3 more feet. they aren't "refusing" to do so.

good grief.

the last thing those of us who actually LIVE HERE need are a bunch of people flying around engaging in fear mongering.

Dammit, the sky is falling, and you need to run!!!!

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 2:51:22 PM   
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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 5:14:43 PM   
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quote:

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Who runs your nuclear power stations, state or private corporations ?

With the latter, I would be worried, why, because of the  shareholder profit/ service/safety equation

Although Britain has had a nuclear disaster an incident which reached level 5 on the 7point scale of the international nuclear event scale in 1957 which resulted in the name of the adjoining town being changed from Windscale to Sellafield. This was matched by the incident at Three Mile Island, but exceeded by Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi which reached level 7, major accident.

But, looking at the scale on wikipedia brings home the fact that Nuclear energy is anything but safe of those incidents that have been recorded and catagorised.

But interesting in that the UK Windscale plant was initially built to make plutonium for atom bombs and it was because of advanced weapons requirements that the level 5 disaster happened in the first place.

Fucking war mongers again.




May I point out that other power plants are not entirely safe, and before you go off and say the damage from non-nuclear plants are not near as dangerous, I suggest you read Tennessee sludge spill estimate grows to 1 billion gallons. The contamination of the river is long lasting and polluting.

In point of fact, all forms of energy generation with the exception of hydroelectric, geo thermal, solar and wind farms have inherent dangers. The air pollution from burning fossil fuels is probably just as long lasting as nuclear contamination, and in the long run, nearly as hazardous.


The trouble with pollution of whatever form was demonstrated well in the DeepWaterHorizon disaster of last year, all around the area blew up a fit, because the pollution in the form of oil and it's deposits posed a visible reminder. Now take nuclear and radiation polluting a water course from say an over swamped waste fuel pool as might happen in this flood, the pollution released will be an insidious problem, because unlike oil, it is invisible to the human eye. Fair enough there will be a hoohar about the possible initial release of such pollution, but whilst the companies concerned are keeping schtum about the threat or otherwise bullshitting about design and all that bollocks, people who place their trust in such companies worry. Say there is a breach, will it be reported and if  not how long before people start reporting symptoms that may be in private discussed as symptoms of ionising radiation poisoning.Will a private company own up to its failure and suffer the monetary cost of their actions, or will they let it slide and keep their heads down denying they were the cause of the problem ?

Perhaps sadly many believe where there is profit to be obtained from any action, all notions of truth go out of the window and that because shareholders always come first in many, if not all business operations, that notion has been demonstrated time and time again whenever there is an issue of a company's waste poisoning the enviroment.

Not that everyone is that concerned for nature and it's habitat, but because it is known whatever hits the envirioment will eventually hit people via their livelihood if not their health.

In this case of possible nuclear contamination, if I were the head of a company faced with such a situation  at least to allay public fears, I would be ordering whilst we still can measures beyond sand bags to get the people on side, a case of we tried our best, but shit happened beyond what we  or the experts calculated what would happen and that because there is always a factor beyond control that nature sometimes seems to compromise.

In effect, I as a head would be ordering the  raising the height of such a radiation containing pool wall, beyond the worst estimate of how high the waters will rise and there perhaps doubling that figure and adding a bit if necessary, as what is the price on concrete as compared to future litigation ?

All forms of energy generation contain risks to us via the enviroment, but what can be seen can be acted upon, or is it because it is unseen it is simply not there and here I wonder if the DeepWater Horizon clean up is yet complete, or has it left a legacy for our or rather your or at least those whose lives depend on the area's  futures ?


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/21/2011 5:31:42 PM   
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Aneirin, I really hate to tell you this, but the air pollutants from burning coal, oil, gasoline, natural gas are just as insidious and equally as long lasting. The pollutants from the accident I referred you to are just as bad and long lasting both in the immediate area of the accident and down stream as it becomes mixed with the sediments.


Until someone comes up with a commercially and economically viable alternative to nuclear and fossil fuel generated power, we are going to have to use it. It is not risk free, and nothing but solar and wind generated power IS risk free.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 12:30:56 AM   
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So, this issue of rising flood waters around a nuclear plant is not a problem then ? All those people highlighting a possibility are wrong then ? What would you do on seeing the information, show concern or be comfortable on what the experts and authorities are telling you ? In other words, do you have the ability to think for yourself beyond what you are told, or is it you believe you are unqualified to comment because you are not an expert ?




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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 6:49:07 AM   
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First, at the one plant, the water seems to be receding.

Second, the river at the Ft. Calhoun plant has not risen to the point of being a danger.

Third, the Army Corps of Engineers control the rate of river rise with dams along the river, releasing water in controlled amounts to LIMIT the flooding. Floods threaten Nebraska nuclear plants


Considering there are articles on the situation all over the web, it would probably behoove you to get all the information before you start with the "we are doomed" posts. And I suggest you get your information from reputable sources, not the fear mongering groups on the web.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 8:33:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

So, this issue of rising flood waters around a nuclear plant is not a problem then ? All those people highlighting a possibility are wrong then ? What would you do on seeing the information, show concern or be comfortable on what the experts and authorities are telling you ? In other words, do you have the ability to think for yourself beyond what you are told, or is it you believe you are unqualified to comment because you are not an expert ?





good griiiiiief. why does NOT engaging in hysterics have to mean that someone doesn't think for himself?
why does everything have to boil down to a fucking buzzword?

LOOK.
the ft. calhoun nuclear plant has been down since april for refueling. they obviously have no intention of starting it back up now. last i heard, it was slated to remain down until the fall.
the brownville/cooper plant has a protocol that says "shut down at 903 ft above sea level" -- the water is at 900 feet. there is no "refusal" to shut down, the plant is not full of water. if the water comes up 3 more feet, they'll shut it down.

you could perhaps go to the OTHER thread about this that i linked to where a user called stef even posted a copy-n-paste of their shut down protocol.
this is a dupilicate thread made by one hysterial poster in order to incite more people to flipping out over something that, as of yet, does not require any flipping out.

gooooood griiiiiieeefff!!!!!!!!!!


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 9:14:51 AM   
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If this is in reply to me, maybe you should research my posts. You won't find any that say there is a conspiracy.

Now as far as the Nebraska incident goes, look back a little further and find out how 3 workers were exposed to radiation. Find the conflicting reports on exactly what level emergency was declared, and clarified. If you want to compare this to the Japenese incident, our experts here could tell it was worse by the information being given. Just like some foreign news agencies are doing the same about Nebraska.

Now do I believe those? I am not sure, all I know is what I stated, that information has been revised from reading it a day or two earlier, and that we are likely not getting all the information.


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Do we have another member of the pahunk and realone everything is a conspiracy club?




yep, to be a conspiracy it has to be against the law for starters, then willfully orchestrated by more than one person.

jlf just sorta sums everything he does not agree with that has not been through a court or meet whatever constraints he imagines as a conspiracy.

Its a easy way for those incapable of responding to a matter to "sound" informed when in fact it masks their void.

The news simply, like the guv, does not "really" black out they just omit certain stories and keep them localized.

If there are protests going on against the guv in california people in new york will most likely not hear about it and vice versa.






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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 9:17:44 AM   
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good griiiiiief. why does NOT engaging in hysterics have to mean that someone doesn't think for himself?
why does everything have to boil down to a fucking buzzword?

LOOK.
the ft. calhoun nuclear plant has been down since april for refueling. they obviously have no intention of starting it back up now. last i heard, it was slated to remain down until the fall.
the brownville/cooper plant has a protocol that says "shut down at 903 ft above sea level" -- the water is at 900 feet. there is no "refusal" to shut down, the plant is not full of water. if the water comes up 3 more feet, they'll shut it down.

you could perhaps go to the OTHER thread about this that i linked to where a user called stef even posted a copy-n-paste of their shut down protocol.
this is a dupilicate thread made by one hysterial poster in order to incite more people to flipping out over something that, as of yet, does not require any flipping out.

gooooood griiiiiieeefff!!!!!!!!!!



Yanno, I'd believe alot more of this shit you are peddling here if you weren't  pulsating and glowing in those flourescent colors like that.....

Just sayin'


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 9:37:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

So, this issue of rising flood waters around a nuclear plant is not a problem then ? All those people highlighting a possibility are wrong then ? What would you do on seeing the information, show concern or be comfortable on what the experts and authorities are telling you ? In other words, do you have the ability to think for yourself beyond what you are told, or is it you believe you are unqualified to comment because you are not an expert ?





good griiiiiief. why does NOT engaging in hysterics have to mean that someone doesn't think for himself?
why does everything have to boil down to a fucking buzzword?

LOOK.
the ft. calhoun nuclear plant has been down since april for refueling. they obviously have no intention of starting it back up now. last i heard, it was slated to remain down until the fall.
the brownville/cooper plant has a protocol that says "shut down at 903 ft above sea level" -- the water is at 900 feet. there is no "refusal" to shut down, the plant is not full of water. if the water comes up 3 more feet, they'll shut it down.

you could perhaps go to the OTHER thread about this that i linked to where a user called stef even posted a copy-n-paste of their shut down protocol.
this is a dupilicate thread made by one hysterial poster in order to incite more people to flipping out over something that, as of yet, does not require any flipping out.

gooooood griiiiiieeefff!!!!!!!!!!



if th ekid on bootoob is correct they expect the water to raise another 5 ft and the water is presently causing problems.

design targets and reality are sometimes 2 different things which I believe is what that kid is concerned about.  aside from that I have not really looked into thematter

quote:

why does everything have to boil down to a fucking buzzword?


because people today are add retards...




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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 9:41:03 AM   
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Corps of Engineers are gonna dump some big water out of SoDak.

If the river rises considerably, the plan is in place, and thats that.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 9:43:07 AM   
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if the god damn water rises another motherfucking 5 feet, then that will be over the 903 ft. limit and the fucking plant will be shut down.
got it?
OKAY!
let's all go play now!

FUCK!


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/22/2011 12:03:58 PM   
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If this is in reply to me, maybe you should research my posts. You won't find any that say there is a conspiracy.

Now as far as the Nebraska incident goes, look back a little further and find out how 3 workers were exposed to radiation. Find the conflicting reports on exactly what level emergency was declared, and clarified. If you want to compare this to the Japenese incident, our experts here could tell it was worse by the information being given. Just like some foreign news agencies are doing the same about Nebraska.

Now do I believe those? I am not sure, all I know is what I stated, that information has been revised from reading it a day or two earlier, and that we are likely not getting all the information.


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Do we have another member of the pahunk and realone everything is a conspiracy club?





This was not a reply to you, but in general to the people saying there is a news blackout.


Strangely enough I can find the news about an electrical fire that shut down pumps to the spent fuel pool for a short time, and the spent fuel rods never heated up to a point of being dangerous, disputing stories to the contrary.

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