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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 3:18:12 PM   
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I ran into my ex manager last month. After looking for work for 1 year he finally found a job at walmart. And yes it was as bad as he thought. But with the unemployment situation he has no other choice. What makes you think the women who work there are any different? But I agree that if a situation is bad, you should do something to change it. In fact I believe that is why the suit was thought up in the first place. To change it.


Ok, so what you are saying is that Walmart treats both male and female employees badly? Cuz other people that have posted have claimed that men are treated so much better than women are. If both sexes are treated like that then how is there gender bias? The suit was just for women, it wouldnt do anything to help males treated badly.

But to say that it was as bad as he thought, what does that mean exactly? Were labor laws broken?
Now how is anyone supposed to make sense of any of this whole Walmart thing, given what your ex-manager said. Sounds like no one should work there.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 3:26:15 PM   
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I ran into my ex manager last month. After looking for work for 1 year he finally found a job at walmart. And yes it was as bad as he thought. But with the unemployment situation he has no other choice. What makes you think the women who work there are any different? But I agree that if a situation is bad, you should do something to change it. In fact I believe that is why the suit was thought up in the first place. To change it.


Ok, so what you are saying is that Walmart treats both male and female employees badly? Cuz other people that have posted have claimed that men are treated so much better than women are. If both sexes are treated like that then how is there gender bias? The suit was just for women, it wouldnt do anything to help males treated badly.

But to say that it was as bad as he thought, what does that mean exactly? Were labor laws broken?
Now how is anyone supposed to make sense of any of this whole Walmart thing, given what your ex-manager said. Sounds like no one should work there.

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that to claim if they don't like it, they should leave is unreasonable considering the employment situation in the area. 


And it was as bad as he thought it would be because he was used to manage a whole shop and now he is a flunky in the automotive department. But like I said before, he really has no choice at this point. So he deals with it.


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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 3:48:28 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/06/20/a-death-blow-to-class-action/failing-to-recognize-discrimination

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 4:28:26 PM   
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No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that to claim if they don't like it, they should leave is unreasonable considering the employment situation in the area. 

And it was as bad as he thought it would be because he was used to manage a whole shop and now he is a flunky in the automotive department. But like I said before, he really has no choice at this point. So he deals with it.

Ok, so no labor laws were broken, he is just used to being the boss and now he is someone he used to boss around. It sounds like he is mostly just unhappy for not getting the type of job he feels he is worthy of. I would guess most people that have been unemployed are in the same boat, no matter what company they work for.

It is easier to get a job when you have one, so cuz he doesnt like his job, is he still sending out his resume and looking for a job elsewhere? Or is he just gonna stay where he is and be bitter and whine to anyone he meets? But then, who wants to hire a whiner... maybe that was a factor in him not getting a job for a year until Walmart?

Btw, this economy has hit a lot of people like your ex-manager, it hit me too, worse than him, btw. But I dont bitch about what I have been thru nor will I cuz I am not that type of person. I dont look behind, i look ahead. Its still not easy for me now but dam it, at least I am gonna try and try and try. No one is gonna do it for you.


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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 4:37:41 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 4:43:37 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 5:14:54 PM   
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I like this one
If 50% of the lawyers in this country were drowned and 50% of the law schools were closed, this would be a better place.

Yeah and my brother is one of them, unfortunately.

I wonder just how good (or bad) the lawyers that were representing these women were. I have sued a lawyer for negligence before so just because someone is a lawyer doesnt make him/her a good lawyer.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 5:35:08 PM   
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Didn't FDR already trying that?

Court packing has no prayer.


You have to love the logic of the court stackers. When it was the House and Senate and the liberals/dems held a majority and passed their health care reform bill that was fine. The will of the people. When the SCOTUS leans to the right that is totally unacceptable. If a conservative SC judge dies or retires and is replaced with a liberal then magically all is well. Isn't it still 5-4? Didn't 5-4 suck just a few months earlier? Obama is only a few months beyond half a term and already has been able to appoint two SC judges and they are still not happy. They bitch when the deck is stacked against them but the last thing they want is a truly level playing field.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 5:39:51 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 6:07:20 PM   
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Lucy,you have mail...it's important....at least to me

I love getting mail:)


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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:11:57 PM   
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Try not to look at it as it pertains to this one case....look at it as it will pertain to any and all class actions in the future.The Supremes werent ruling on the merits of this case...they were ruling on "certification".... In ruling the way they did it would seem that they have taken a burden that was ,45 years ago,deliberately set low....and raised it to such a degree as to make it nigh on impossible for future suits.The burden for certification is that all the individual cases must be tied together( at least it was) Now Scalia,writing for the majority,has declared that not only must they be tied together...but there must be "glue" somehow conjoining those ties

Well, I dont know the labor laws here, I am getting the impression that a lawsuit is the only recourse? Is that correct?

Where I am from originally, its different. The labor laws are overseen by a govt body. I think an employee has the choice of filing a complaint with the govt or a lawsuit on their own. I have filed only 1 complaint about an employer and all i had to do was fill out a form, provide docs and then wait for the govt to do what they do. I was not exactly happy about the result as the company went bankrupt but at least i got 20% of what i was owed (rather than 0).

Perhaps a better overall solution is just that, to have a govt body set up to enforce its own laws? Perhaps that is what employees and unions should lobby for? Or is that asking too much?



Incredible. You dont know the labor laws here but you are so damn sure you are correct.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:19:31 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:23:16 PM   
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Hush and go back to playing with... er... being played with by Lucy

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:45:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lol...I M not playing with,nor being played with by the lovely Lucy....merely an innocent exchange of letters.Please take your mind out of the gutter.....lol
By the way did you happen to see her thread on the church and it's hypocrisy ...great stuff and certainly worth a look.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:52:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are telling me to take MY mind out of the gutter?

Oh please! You are the resident gutter-dweller.

Yeah, I saw that thread. Im taking a vacation from religion threads.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:56:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is about more than religion....it is about hypocrisy and the victimization of children...but I can certainly understand not wanting to delve into that cesspool....or "gutter"..... lol.
" resident gutter dweller"....silly woman,I live in a nice suburban house....with an attached garage.....no gutter....lol

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 7:57:49 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 8:03:25 PM   
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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 8:26:49 PM   
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Incredible. You dont know the labor laws here but you are so damn sure you are correct.

It is up to the lawyers representing the lawsuit to be correct, obviously they werent, they couldnt even get it into court let alone win.

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RE: Another stab at women. - 6/21/2011 8:30:43 PM   
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But you go ahead and keep shoveling.....lol.

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