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DarkSteven -> Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 8:58:26 AM)

I'm all for it.  Denver has recently been loosening regulations about it.  http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_18319369




sunshinemiss -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 9:01:58 AM)

What are you going to get first? (I like goats)




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 9:03:16 AM)

that's super cool :D i'm all for it
i'm not sure what NE's laws are on it; there are a few places in town with horses, but they are allowed because they were there long before the city expanded that far. would be something worth researching




DarkSteven -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 9:26:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

What are you going to get first? (I like goats)


I'd love to get some chickens, but there are foxes in the area.




pahunkboy -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 9:54:18 AM)

I am against the idea.  I hope we dont do that here.

When I am home- I want peace..  the quietest there is.

Funny thing-  if the traffic is too sparse I wake up.  I cant sleep.    earlier this summer we had a scare of a loud neighbor who is a DJ.   Well-  luckily-  he has put a lid on it.   As a result-  even normal outdoor parties here have been subdued.     Yay for quiet enjoyment of ones property.




servantforuse -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:13:54 PM)

Has anyone out there driven by a chicken farm on a hot day ? I for one do not want the smell of amonia next door to me. Animals stink..




stef -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:17:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Has anyone out there driven by a chicken farm on a hot day ? I for one do not want the smell of amonia next door to me. Animals stink..

There's a world of difference between the odor produced by a chicken farm and someone who has a small coop on their property.




SilverMark -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:19:16 PM)

I have a friend who owns a home in the 5 Points area of Atlanta...very urban...would you believe there are Feral Chickens, there of all places???....Had I not seen it, I wouldn't have believed it!




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:21:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Has anyone out there driven by a chicken farm on a hot day ? I for one do not want the smell of amonia next door to me. Animals stink..

There's a world of difference between the odor produced by a chicken farm and someone who has a small coop on their property.



seriously. your standard chicken farm is a battery or warehouse operation where hundreds or thousands of animals are housed in extremely close quarters, and cleaning or animal care standards are essentially nil.
far cry from a backyard coop of a few chickens.




sirsholly -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:28:46 PM)

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would you believe there are Feral Chickens
And they are MEAN too!!

We had one here that took up residence. She loved the hell out of me. I would pull into the driveway and she would cluck her way up to the car and wait until i opened the car door, then preen until i rubbed her little head. She would waddle behind me until i got to the front door, then plop down on the porch for a well earned siesta.

Jim would pull into the drive way and had to run into the house so she didn't peck him.




DomKen -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:28:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I have a friend who owns a home in the 5 Points area of Atlanta...very urban...would you believe there are Feral Chickens, there of all places???....Had I not seen it, I wouldn't have believed it!

There are a couple of towns in Georgia with locally famous feral chickens. Fitzgerald, south Georgia, actually has a Wild Chicken Fetival every spring.




LaTigresse -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:41:50 PM)

On the whole, I am against it. It has been my experience that most people that have not spent a great deal of time in a farm environment do not have a concept of what raising most of these animals entails. Just the waste is problematic. I would never want a hog, or chickens, near my house. Certainly not goats or sheep. Cattle and horses require room to move about if they are to be kept humanely. 2-3 acres per animal I believe is the standard. I have 12 acres total.

Also, depending on what type of animal, special fencing and housing. With the costs of building material skyrocketing the last couple of years, I am VERY glad I am not building a new fence or shed for my guys.

I have only two horses and I still need to purchase hay and grain. Usually, I get a great deal on the hay I buy because I have the ability to purchase and haul large amounts. Most people do not. I live in an area where hay is high quality and low cost. I still spent over $ 400.00 JUST ON HAY, last year. And that was a good year, a year I only had to feed it about 6 month of the year. Grain has jumped dramatically in price the last few years. 50# lasts me about a week, with two healthy horses. That is a medium priced, general feed. It usually is about $9 for 50#. Most people do not realize the cost of feeding most of these animals when you are buying that feed in smaller quantities.

All of these animals require far different care than the animals most people are used to caring for. I cannot keep my horses in a pasture the neighbour kept his cattle for safety reasons. Most people do not know what common plants are indeed quite poisonous. Most people do not have a clue about the regular vet care these animals require, nor often have access to a vet that knows farm animal vet care. Most people do not realize that many of these animals require additional care, especially if they are confined in a smaller area for any length of time. Hooves need trimmed. My farrier comes every 6 weeks and only trims, no shoes, and it is $ 50.00. That is with zero corrective issues.

Then you have the noise. Not many people want to listen to a rooster crowing off and on all day, a donkey braying, or a pig grunting and squealing.

During lunch, I was reading an article about the ecological and monetary costs of various proteins. Plant proteins are by far, the best way to go if a person wishes to produce their own.




LaTigresse -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:43:25 PM)

We had to kill two roosters because they were attacking people......fuckers were eeeeeeeeeeeeeebbbbbbbbbiiiiiillllllllllll.




pahunkboy -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 12:52:36 PM)

Good post LAT.  I think people make this out to be more romantic then what it is. 




Phoenixpower -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:00:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

would you believe there are Feral Chickens
And they are MEAN too!!

We had one here that took up residence. She loved the hell out of me. I would pull into the driveway and she would cluck her way up to the car and wait until i opened the car door, then preen until i rubbed her little head. She would waddle behind me until i got to the front door, then plop down on the porch for a well earned siesta.

Jim would pull into the drive way and had to run into the house so she didn't peck him.


lol, that reminds me when granny used to stroke her chicken [:)]

and the smart cat my friend has, cause she has put in all her effort to convince her husband to take her home from the animal shelter (both have been there at that time, not just him), and since she is living with them she shows that she cant stand men [:D]

Regarding the topic, my granny used to have 4 chicken all the time and if my mum is right then I would not be allowed to have them if I would be living in her house (which I likely will take over in the next years) cause granny was only allowed to have her chicken until she died, as she had the right during the time when it was allowed way before I was born, so it couldn't be withdrawn from her, whereas any future residents in her house would have to apply for it and, with the legislation which is now in place, would not get it allowed [&o]

Nevertheless I keep dreaming from it...[:o]




SilverMark -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:07:59 PM)

{ } <---------insert choking your chicken joke here![8D]




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:08:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I have a friend who owns a home in the 5 Points area of Atlanta...very urban...would you believe there are Feral Chickens, there of all places???....Had I not seen it, I wouldn't have believed it!

5 Points? You mean L5P, yes?




SilverMark -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:10:52 PM)

Yep....Little 5Points...




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:13:29 PM)

I would agree that keeping livestock is not a good move for most people. LaT.  However, chickens are easy and charming.  I have four, I don't have any problem with odor, and the eggs make it all worthwhile.  I have also raised broilers (not as much fun) and I am venturing into bee keeping.  The food system in this country being what it is, I prefer to grow as much of my own as possible.  I won't eat commercial pork, so I am planning on buying a pig at the fat livestock sale at the county fair.  I think this is a good option for a lot of people, and they can process the animals on the spot.  Plus, I know those 4Hers raise their animals well.




LaTigresse -> RE: Urban homesteading. (6/21/2011 1:18:03 PM)

Another thing I just considered.......if there are neighbours within hearing distance. It probably would be considerate to check with them.

Also.......I think too many people are rude as hell about their dogs and cats in town. No one should have to deal with a cat getting into their garbage or listening to a dog bark for hours. Not to mention the stench of too many, kept too confined, with no proper waste disposal. Dog and cat shit stinks no less than chicken and pig shit.





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