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Termyn8or -> Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:23:52 AM)
This is a bit strange to me. I am not sure I want to post it because it is so psychological so I might not proof it, I might just hit send, or OK or whatever. For the past year or so I have been having some very vivid dreams/nightmares. The nighmares do not bother me much just because of my psychological makeup. But I find them interesting. One was many months ago. I dreampt that a being, that looked somewhat like a locust flew into my house, and transformed itself into a Woman, eventually. Our discussion revealed that it had no gender and was a shapeshifter. It decided to be with me, and vice versa. I could tell noone my secret, that my olady was from another planet, a planet which was unkown to her or me. That wasn't a nightmare, and in fact maybe none of them were. Now of course after my Father's death in 2009 I dreampt of him still being alive, and I guess that is natural. Some of those were good, others not so good. We had conflicts just like in life, but unlike the ones in life I never considered killing him. In life he was one of the most obnoxious people you could ever meet. One time (at the shop) we leveled guns at each other, and it was understood that we were going to pull the trigger, we did, but we both sent the bullets up through the roof. At that point we decided not to be enemies anymore. In the dreams he was not his old self, he was a younger self, formidable and strong. And not taking any shit. More recently I have had a few dreams of my Uncle. He was a financial genius and I don't fucking care what anyone says, we called him the Jew of the family. For a time everything he touched turned to gold, like Midas or something. He made some seriously shrewd deals that enhanced the wealth of the entire family, partly because he had to spread it around or have to answer too many questions. Ask me about the IBM stock and how he got it. That was before he was an executive at Ford Motor Company. He was no dummy. Well in this later dream I was with him, but in the past. I remember that we did something and got the money, made a profit. We parted ways and since I was myself, I was out of time. I couldn't go home, because if I showed up to my former self it would fuck everything up. I looked at my wallet and the money says like 1989 on it, but it is the year about 1970 or so, I thought, I really had nowhere to go, absolutely nothing. Even my skills were not all that valuable - YET. Sure I could get a job, with no diploma, I mean when your birth certificate says you are ten years old, they are not going to believe that you are a Harvard graduate. But in the end my Uncle left me to fend for myself. He didn't want me around him or his little family. I sensed that it was because I was out of time with what was going on, but one can never be sure. This indicates to me that he was selfish. The remaining siblings will confirm that he was the greediest of all. (no he didn't kill them, I think) Now in this last one it was different. I was in their house, he and his olady. I stayed there for a time. If it's another dream it IS connected somehow. We came to my house now, but years ago. Many years ago. He dropped me off. I went inside and was greeted by some Women. They seemed to want to please me like they had a shortage of Men or something, but they were easy on the eyes and not too fat or anything. One was the leader. She tended to me the most. Now get this. This was in my own house, but many years before I bought it. (we) But I was used to that and wasn't doing too bad. I thought; YES I THINK I CAN LIVE WITH THIS. The other dream concerning my Uncle involved cars, he threw me some cash and we drove away in different directions. This time was different, and of course he was not there. His olady produced this crystal and started spinning it. I suddenly found myself in 1971, but as an adult. In reality, I was 11 years old in 1971. How do you deal with that ? Now, stick with me for a short here please. In the last dream, and at least one other, I really got into it. I mean I thought it was reality. When I was transported back in time I thought to myself "WOW, it really IS possible" and shit like that. When my psyche accepted that it was possible, as in the other dreams in different ways, I had a physiological response IN THE DREAM. This took the form of convulsions(sp) of either the jaw or the hands. Depending on the given situation, either my hands would start to shake very violently if they droped anywhere near my pubic region. I other dreams my jaw would osculate at a rate I could never consiously cause. These things woke me up. But I do remember a good part of the dreams/nightmares. And one time I dreampt of having a neadache. That a muscle towards the back of my neck tightened up involuntarily and it caused exterme pain. But when I woke up it was gone, and has NEVER occurred. I do not remember what I was dtreaming at that particular time. It is said that dreams are a way for your subconcious to contact you concious mind. I believe that. What is it doing ? There is one seemingly common occurrence, the shakes. It seems to be in my jaw or my hands. That is pretty much at the point when I wake up. Is it telling me that my basic instinct is right, and not to allow myself into holes dug for me ? Or is it telling me that I am wrong, and fucking up ? I do not believe "in" anything at all. I believe that there is nothing supernatural at all. I believe that there is something after death, but nobody can tell you what it is. I also believe that death is a release. One that we are forbidden to take until the time is right. If there is a hell, I doubt it is as bad as they say. That would be bullshit. So none of that bullshit even has an entry in my psyche, not to mention the fact that I was raised totally without religion. When I start believeing the dream is real, my psyche wakes me up. What does that mean ? T^T

Rule -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 5:24:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or One was many months ago. I dreamed that a being, that looked somewhat like a locust flew into my house, and transformed itself into a Woman, eventually. Our discussion revealed that it had no gender and was a shape-shifter. It decided to be with me, and vice versa. I could tell no-one my secret, that my olady was from another planet, a planet which was unknown to her or me. What more can you tell about her (qualities)? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Now of course after my Father's death in 2009 I dreamed of him still being alive, and I guess that is natural. Some of those were good, others not so good. We had conflicts just like in life, but unlike the ones in life I never considered killing him. In life he was one of the most obnoxious people you could ever meet. One time (at the shop) we leveled guns at each other, and it was understood that we were going to pull the trigger, we did, but we both sent the bullets up through the roof. At that point we decided not to be enemies anymore. In the dreams he was not his old self, he was a younger self, formidable and strong. And not taking any shit. What more can you tell about his qualities? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or More recently I have had a few dreams of my Uncle. He was a financial genius and I don't fucking care what anyone says, we called him the Jew of the family. For a time everything he touched turned to gold, like Midas or something. He made some seriously shrewd deals that enhanced the wealth of the entire family, partly because he had to spread it around or have to answer too many questions. Ask me about the IBM stock and how he got it. That was before he was an executive at Ford Motor Company. He was no dummy. Well in this later dream I was with him, but in the past. I remember that we did something and got the money, made a profit. We parted ways and since I was myself, I was out of time. I couldn't go home, because if I showed up to my former self it would fuck everything up. I looked at my wallet and the money says like 1989 on it, but it is the year about 1970 or so, I thought, I really had nowhere to go, absolutely nothing. Even my skills were not all that valuable - YET. Sure I could get a job, with no diploma, I mean when your birth certificate says you are ten years old, they are not going to believe that you are a Harvard graduate. But in the end my Uncle left me to fend for myself. He didn't want me around him or his little family. I sensed that it was because I was out of time with what was going on, but one can never be sure. This indicates to me that he was selfish. The remaining siblings will confirm that he was the greediest of all. (no he didn't kill them, I think) Dream siblings or real ones? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Now in this last one it was different. I was in their house, he and his olady. I stayed there for a time. If it's another dream it IS connected somehow. We came to my house now, but years ago. Many years ago. He dropped me off. I went inside and was greeted by some Women. They seemed to want to please me like they had a shortage of Men or something, but they were easy on the eyes and not too fat or anything. One was the leader. She tended to me the most. What more can you tell about her (qualities)? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Now get this. This was in my own house, but many years before I bought it. (we) But I was used to that and wasn't doing too bad. I thought; YES I THINK I CAN LIVE WITH THIS. The other dream concerning my Uncle involved cars, he threw me some cash and we drove away in different directions. This time was different, and of course he was not there. His olady produced this crystal and started spinning it. I suddenly found myself in 1971, but as an adult. In reality, I was 11 years old in 1971. How do you deal with that ? What more can you tell about her (qualities)? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Now, stick with me for a short here please. In the last dream, and at least one other, I really got into it. I mean I thought it was reality. When I was transported back in time I thought to myself "WOW, it really IS possible" and shit like that. When my psyche accepted that it was possible, as in the other dreams in different ways, I had a physiological response IN THE DREAM. This took the form of convulsions of either the jaw or the hands. Depending on the given situation, either my hands would start to shake very violently if they dropped anywhere near my pubic region. I other dreams my jaw would oscillate at a rate I could never consciously cause. These things woke me up. But I do remember a good part of the dreams/nightmares. And one time I dreamed of having a headache. That a muscle towards the back of my neck tightened up involuntarily and it caused extreme pain. But when I woke up it was gone, and has NEVER occurred. I do not remember what I was dreaming at that particular time. These physical phenomena are intriguing. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It is said that dreams are a way for your subconscious to contact your conscious mind. That is correct. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or There is one seemingly common occurrence, the shakes. It seems to be in my jaw or my hands. That is pretty much at the point when I wake up. Is it telling me that my basic instinct is right, and not to allow myself into holes dug for me ? Or is it telling me that I am wrong, and fucking up? I suspect that there is no meaning, other than that you detach from the part of your brain that controls those organs, causing them to go into a stand-by mode of oscillation. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or When I start believing the dream is real, my psyche wakes me up. I rather think that you notice that part of your body is without control and it is that negative feedback loop that causes you to wake up.

Termyn8or -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 9:07:06 AM)
OK, before actually responding to that I'll mention there is another one. It's alwaysa quickie, at least it seems so. There is a creature like a huge asterisk, about 25' in diameter. It's in the front yard and my neighbor is standing there and says something like "Watch out, that fucker'll......" something. Weird looking thing (and the creature too LOL). That one recurs from time to time. Now, "her" qualities. Well she was the apple of my eye so to speak. She said that she could become anything and became exactly what I wanted because she could read my mind. She "attached" herself to me and could and would become anything I wanted. This happened because of some sort of mental thing, that we were compatible somehow. And that she could never leave me until I died. Then she would have to find another. She, or it, had no idea if there were any others of her kind or where she came from. Absolutely no recall of being born or anything like that. "His" qualities. In some ways he haunted me pretty well alive. If you think I am outspoken, try about ten times that. At work he got a piece of metal in his eye and thought it would work it's way out on it's own, and just continued to work for a week or two. By the time he went to the eye doctor it was rusty. The doc said " What are you superman ? ". In fact when he had a stroke he waited a few days to go to the doctor. He didn't care what anyone thought at all. If he didn't feel like bathing for a month, tough shit, he didn't. Absolutely didn't give a shit what anyone thought. The Uncle was a real one. His kids were fictional. I don't remember if his olady was my real Aunt or not, but they all behaved a bit strangely. It's kind of hard to describe. The kids were very attracted to me, in a way that was a bit unconfortable. More later, a knock at the door. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 1:19:31 PM)
OK. The creature in the other dream would rotate, apparently levitated by an electrical charge, evidenced by sparks between it's legs and the ground. It would spin. The Uncle situation, I had several dreams about that and it's hard to keep them separate. But in the end the question is, does it all mean something ? Or is it that I have a subconsious defense mechanism. There is one thing common to all. When it gets too far out of hand I (in the dream only) get these tremors. This generally wakes me up. Undoubtedly there are a few dreams I do not remember, but that is the recurrent theme. What might it mean ? ETA: Thanks for your input. I am looking for outside insight here. Ummmm, is that like a paradox ot something ? LOL. T^T

gungadin09 -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 1:41:01 PM)
i go through periods where i don't remember my dreams, and then periods where i remember them every night. Personally, i don't think dreams mean much, themselves. What means more is if You have a strong emotional reaction to them. i hate to sound like a dork, but why do YOU think they're important? pam

Termyn8or -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 2:01:44 PM)
Pam, the subconcious is an important part of the mind. The better we understand it the better we understand ourselves. T^T

sunshinemiss -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:09:16 PM)
Just off the top of my head... first, it's hard without seeing your face and hearing your voice. Just from the words along: quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or This is a bit strange to me. I am not sure I want to post it because it is so psychological so I might not proof it, I might just hit send, or OK or whatever. For the past year or so I have been having some very vivid dreams/nightmares. The nighmares do not bother me much just because of my psychological makeup. But I find them interesting. One was many months ago. I dreampt that a being, that looked somewhat like a locust flew into my house, and transformed itself into a Woman, eventually. Our discussion revealed that it had no gender and was a shapeshifter. It decided to be with me, and vice versa. I could tell noone my secret, that my olady was from another planet, a planet which was unkown to her or me. That wasn't a nightmare, and in fact maybe none of them were. You don't trust women currently. You aren't ready to give, and you are afraid of wht will be taken from you. Now of course after my Father's death in 2009 I dreampt of him still being alive, and I guess that is natural. Some of those were good, others not so good. We had conflicts just like in life, but unlike the ones in life I never considered killing him. In life he was one of the most obnoxious people you could ever meet. One time (at the shop) we leveled guns at each other, and it was understood that we were going to pull the trigger, we did, but we both sent the bullets up through the roof. At that point we decided not to be enemies anymore. In the dreams he was not his old self, he was a younger self, formidable and strong. And not taking any shit. Typical alpha male struggle. Add the twist of death - you were dealing with his death. I won't go into motivations or any deeper thoughts because this one needs more info. More recently I have had a few dreams of my Uncle. He was a financial genius and I don't fucking care what anyone says, we called him the Jew of the family. For a time everything he touched turned to gold, like Midas or something. He made some seriously shrewd deals that enhanced the wealth of the entire family, partly because he had to spread it around or have to answer too many questions. Ask me about the IBM stock and how he got it. That was before he was an executive at Ford Motor Company. He was no dummy. Well in this later dream I was with him, but in the past. I remember that we did something and got the money, made a profit. We parted ways and since I was myself, I was out of time. I couldn't go home, because if I showed up to my former self it would fuck everything up. I looked at my wallet and the money says like 1989 on it, but it is the year about 1970 or so, I thought, I really had nowhere to go, absolutely nothing. Even my skills were not all that valuable - YET. Sure I could get a job, with no diploma, I mean when your birth certificate says you are ten years old, they are not going to believe that you are a Harvard graduate. But in the end my Uncle left me to fend for myself. He didn't want me around him or his little family. I sensed that it was because I was out of time with what was going on, but one can never be sure. This indicates to me that he was selfish. The remaining siblings will confirm that he was the greediest of all. (no he didn't kill them, I think) Individuation, wanting to grow up. Now in this last one it was different. I was in their house, he and his olady. I stayed there for a time. If it's another dream it IS connected somehow. We came to my house now, but years ago. Many years ago. He dropped me off. I went inside and was greeted by some Women. They seemed to want to please me like they had a shortage of Men or something, but they were easy on the eyes and not too fat or anything. One was the leader. She tended to me the most. Now get this. This was in my own house, but many years before I bought it. (we) But I was used to that and wasn't doing too bad. I thought; YES I THINK I CAN LIVE WITH THIS. Alpha male - you want to succeed, surpass your uncle. The other dream concerning my Uncle involved cars, he threw me some cash and we drove away in different directions. This time was different, and of course he was not there. His olady produced this crystal and started spinning it. I suddenly found myself in 1971, but as an adult. In reality, I was 11 years old in 1971. How do you deal with that ? Now, stick with me for a short here please. In the last dream, and at least one other, I really got into it. I mean I thought it was reality. When I was transported back in time I thought to myself "WOW, it really IS possible" and shit like that. When my psyche accepted that it was possible, as in the other dreams in different ways, I had a physiological response IN THE DREAM. This took the form of convulsions(sp) of either the jaw or the hands. Depending on the given situation, either my hands would start to shake very violently if they droped anywhere near my pubic region. I other dreams my jaw would osculate at a rate I could never consiously cause. DO I really have to explain this? These things woke me up. But I do remember a good part of the dreams/nightmares. And one time I dreampt of having a neadache. That a muscle towards the back of my neck tightened up involuntarily and it caused exterme pain. But when I woke up it was gone, and has NEVER occurred. I do not remember what I was dtreaming at that particular time. It is said that dreams are a way for your subconcious to contact you concious mind. I believe that. What is it doing ? You really did have a headache. It wasn't huge, but it was there. There is one seemingly common occurrence, the shakes. It seems to be in my jaw or my hands. That is pretty much at the point when I wake up. Is it telling me that my basic instinct is right, and not to allow myself into holes dug for me ? Or is it telling me that I am wrong, and fucking up ? I do not believe "in" anything at all. I believe that there is nothing supernatural at all. I believe that there is something after death, but nobody can tell you what it is. I also believe that death is a release. One that we are forbidden to take until the time is right. If there is a hell, I doubt it is as bad as they say. That would be bullshit. So none of that bullshit even has an entry in my psyche, not to mention the fact that I was raised totally without religion. When I start believeing the dream is real, my psyche wakes me up. What does that mean? You might want to see a doctor. Yes, I'm serious. The whole shakes thing makes me wonder what is happening in your brain - if anything. You don't remember dreams unless you wake up. You aren't sleeping well if you are frequently remembering your dreams. T^T

gungadin09 -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:14:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Pam, the subconcious is an important part of the mind. The better we understand it the better we understand ourselves. i understand, but that's why i'm saying no one here can help You. It's not what we think they mean, but what You think they mean. pam

sunshinemiss -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:17:24 PM)
Not true Pam. That's like saying a doctor can't help you. It's your body after all. What can a doctor possibly know about your body. Some people really are trained to deal with mind / subconscious things.... therapists / psychologists comes to mind... ymmv, sunshine

gungadin09 -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:27:08 PM)
Well, i'll say this much. i don't think that asking for opinions in this case can hurt. [image]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy007.gif[/image] pam

Termyn8or -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 3:51:08 PM)
Sunny, maybe you don't really know me. My life, as well as the lives of my forefathers is based on self sufficiency. I do not achieve that goal entirely, but I try. What that means to me might be hard ot understand, but to simplify it, I have an aversion to asking for help. At least certain kinds of help. The problem dealing with the person, the physical and mental health, I try to avoid professionals whenever possible. School may teach but it does not instill wisdom. That is why I brought this subject here. I want a wide range of opinions. This because I am not stupid, nor needy, nor a person of victim mentality. I cried when my Grampa died, but when I got shot, not a tear. I was on the hospital phone getting my people to scour the city looking for the MF who shot me. This is because of my background. Actually this is why I make a kickass bottom, because I will struggle and rebel. I love that, I mean if you are going to just keep your hands together, like in prayer, why the fuck waste a pair of handcuffs ? I brought this here becuse I am not interested in the store boughten packaged ineffective conclusions drawn by professionals. Don't read me a book, write me one. I find my own solutions to all I can, many times with the help of others. Welcome to "others". I want your opinion, and even the opinions of those who don't like me. Fuck it, everybody doesn't like each other. Oh dear. What shall we do ? My mileage does vary. When I punched the Vette the MPG meter went down to zero. So what, that was nowhere near the fastest car I ever had. I know this is disjointed somewhat, but I am trying to express me. If I call a doc of any kind I will have an over fifty fifty chance of dying within the hour. It was that way last time, except for one time I played the game with them. It didn't work, but I got what I wanted in the end. How about some other people throw their dreams in here ? That could make for an interesting thread. T^T

gungadin09 -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 4:03:22 PM)
i have what is an apparently common recurring nightmare about my teeth falling out. i used to have a nightmare that a misunderstanding about a class i didn't take in high school would cause them to nullify all my college credits. i had a dream once where i figured out that i was dreaming, and so in the dream i pinched myself to wake up, and i woke up. i had a dream about going in to work and not remembering how to do anything. pam

Rule -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 4:18:39 PM)
You've got mail.

Termyn8or -> RE: Dream defense (6/22/2011 4:32:25 PM)
According to the books, teeth falling out means death. Yours. IF we take that as correct that means your subconcious detects some sort of danger that you do not see conciously. I had such dreams a long time ago. In those dreams I was recently released from prison and as I stood in the bathroom my teeth were falling out into the sink. There was no pain. This preceded some serious knee problems, which was probably early onset osteoporosis. It was very bad. I cured it. Details some other time. But the dream impelled me to change my diet somewhat, and my infirmities are gone now. I see that it MAY be an early warning sign that your body is not getting the nutrients it needs. Not gospel, but my considered opinion. The next dream you mentioned might be an exemplification of some lack of basis in education or something, that which your concious(sp) mind ignores. Knowledge in the human mind (this is my theory) is like a lattice which forms a sort of pyramid. The base is formed the day you are born, and all else is build upon that foundation. I have studied in this interest and I deem it worthy of at least consideration if not adoption in mind principles. In my view, your subconcious is saying that there is something not so solid in the foundation of your thought process. I am not saying that I have seen direct evidence of this. You brought it up, well actually, oh wait, yes you did. Your subconcious IS a part of you so you did bring it up. I would never have said a word but for that. Going to work and not remembering how to do anything ? This is probably an extra manifestation of the former. It is expressing insecurity. Now you could be the most secure MF in the world, but this is different. It's a percieved inadequacy. But here it is the subconcious mind percieving it, and trying to tell you. Now EVERYONE, remember that I have been studying psychology for thirty-seven years. I got into it before the pill pushers. I know what the fuck I am talking about. I brought this up from my own dreams because it was totally off the wall. And the one who said I really had a headache - WRONG. The microsecond I awoke there was no pain. Period. Nothing goes away that fast. I started this thread not only to explore my own weirdness, but to maybe open up a discussion on the subject. One that is not prone to entanglement with religion or even worse. Reality. There is nothing supernatural. There never was and never will be. But in dreams our self speaks to our self. Let's try to understand this. T^T

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