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tj444 -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:50:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Strange that your grapes wouldnt grow again

I was 7 at the time and he didn't know so I surely didn't know. All I remember is we only got one good year out of the plant. If I'm not mistaken grapes are finicky anyway.


Here's a recipe for soda bread. Pretty good stuff and easy to make.
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/irresistible-irish-soda-bread/


Mmmm thanks. [:)] I do like soda bread (especially with a bit of dried fruit & nuts added [8D] ) and have made stuff similar before, I tried modifying recipes to make my own protein biscuits. But I think I am the only person that would eat those. [8|]

Maybe it was the weather, too cold? too wet/dry? or wrong soil? for your grapes, I wonder. I didnt know they could be finicky, maybe when I get mine I will have to talk real nice to them... as long as the neighbors dont see me doing that! [:D]



NuevaVida -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:53:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Remember why Pasteur is a hero: say no to thousands of deaths by tuberculosis and other diseases, and say no to unpasteurised milk.
Most 'green' products are just a gullibility tax: remember, hormones used on cattles can't affect humans; imagine a large square block [bovine growth hormone] trying to get into a small round hole [human growth hormone receptor]: literally impossible.
So if you like the taste of Jersey milk better than Holstein [small producer vs large producer], fine, and by the way, I agree. But there is no taste variation with 'hormone' milk.


For me it's about flavor, my health, and the health of the animal providing my food.



BonesFromAsh -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:54:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


That is illegal here, and for sure in at least ten states. No shit.

T^T


But not in Connecticut... http://milk.procon.org/sourcefiles/rawmilkstatutes.pdf

I was first introduced to raw goats milk, while buying fresh goat's milk cheese at a farmstand, when I lived in the Upper Arlington area of Columbus OH.
A half gallon lasts me for almost 2 weeks. It's worth it.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:57:47 PM)

Shit women you are not that far from me, I am about 60 miles out from Indy,

Well dayum.



Termyn8or -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:59:23 PM)

"As much as possible, I make my own stuff."

Make me some cheese, but not with that look on your face (lol). Well unless it speeds up the process.

I AM fucking around here. Anyway, I have stopped drinking milk, and I am trying to eat more cheese, and things like sour cream because those things cannot be made with stabilised milk. There is no information now on what they do to the milk now, but if you notice, store boughten milk does not get sour, it gets bitter.

I have seen some pretty authentic looking things about this and I did not like it, and everything is gone from the net now. Go figure. But if I EVER drink any store bought milk I will not rely on my smell, I will look at the date. The virus that kills the bacteria that spoils milk of course multiplies, and that makes it bitter. The thing is that it take a lot longer, and that is shelf life.

This shit did not come from Alex Jones or any of that, it was for real. And now it is gone. Funny there is not even any rebuttal.

So guess what, unless I see cows I don't buy milk. That's that. My decision. Good luck with yours, and if you're ever in the neighborhood........

T^T



BonesFromAsh -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 7:59:44 PM)

Ah, but that was almost 20 yrs ago.

I do visit the "Motherland" whenever I can, though. [;)]



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 8:12:43 PM)

I am so thinking lunch.



pahunkboy -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 8:35:12 PM)

But if I EVER drink any store bought milk I will not rely on my smell, I will look at the date./snip

I have drank it a few days past the exp date--  the smell was fine...     Term- you are the reason I switched to whole milk.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 8:47:36 PM)

PA sweetie, you are a throw back !



LadyNTrainer -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 8:52:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Would you pay  10-20% more for the non hormone type?


Yes, I buy it from a local lady who hand milks happy, grass fed cows in an immaculately clean barn with sterilizing equipment.  I pay about $6/gallon, or I just trade her what I produce for what she produces, depending on our mutual needs every month and on what I have extra in the freezer. Goat milk runs a bit more expensive, but it's worth it especially for cheese making.

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What about chicken?


I won't eat store bought chicken.  Enough people cull young roosters from their flocks that there is a nearly endless free supply for someone who is skilled at processing them. 

The taste difference between battery birds and free range heritage birds is amazing, to the point that I really have no interest in eating chicken I didn't kill myself.  The only thing that might be able to compare are the farmer's market/Whole Foods free range birds that cost $3-$4/lb, and I don't need to pay that when I can pick them up alive for free and have the farmers thank me for it.  Takes me about twenty minutes to kill and dress a couple of birds for the oven, and they don't get any fresher or better than that.

Yeah, I'm kind of spoiled for good milk and meat.  And I don't even live on a farm; I just buy directly from them.



pahunkboy -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 8:55:45 PM)

At $6 a gallon, do you water it down?



Icarys -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:01:17 PM)

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For me it's about flavor, my health, and the health of the animal providing my food.

I can taste a difference. Now the FDA would have you believe that there isn't a thing different between non-hormone and synthetic hormone cattle. All you have to do is to have paid attention for the last 20 years of your life to know whether it's worth taking a chance on them being liars, wrong or right. They have a pretty shitty track record.

I don't want my food modified genetically, inundated with chemicals, in general, tampered with at all or "abused" before it gets to my plate.

I'm with ya on the above.



LadyNTrainer -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:01:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Milk can now keep for it seems like 12 days- instead of 4 days.


Eh?  I buy milk from individual backyard producers whose animal husbandry and practices I like.  Eg, no hormones, calm and happy grass fed free range animals, hand milking with sterilized equipment, etc.  It doesn't go bad for weeks and weeks, and when it does finally get a bit sour or curdled, it's still tasty and great for cooking.  This milk is raw and unpasteurized.  I am fully aware of the potential disease vectors with raw milk, which is why I make it a point to know not just the milker and their practices, but the cows.  These are supremely healthy animals kept and milked under very clean conditions, vet checked regularly.  Their milk is superb, and it stays good in the refrigerator for nearly a month.

I have no idea what y'all are buying, but I am thinking that it probably sucks compared to what I'm buying.



LadyNTrainer -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:05:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
At $6 a gallon, do you water it down?


If you had ever actually tasted this white manna, you would no longer be capable of suggesting such sacrilege.  I have, and I can't even conceive of it.  It is well worth what I pay. 

I don't actually like milk, or I didn't like it before I tasted this stuff.  More to the point, what I don't like is the crap they pass off as milk in the grocery store.  The taste difference is night and day.  It might as well not even be the same critter.  



pahunkboy -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:08:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
At $6 a gallon, do you water it down?


If you had ever actually tasted this white manna, you would no longer be capable of suggesting such sacrilege.  I have, and I can't even conceive of it.  It is well worth what I pay. 

I don't actually like milk, or I didn't like it before I tasted this stuff.  More to the point, what I don't like is the crap they pass off as milk in the grocery store.  The taste difference is night and day.  It might as well not even be the same critter.  



I am sure you are right.



SorceressJ -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:09:15 PM)

To LadyNTrainer and Icky: AGREE-AGREE-AGREE *nods*

To hunky: "..at $6 a gallon do you water it down?!?" Um, at between three and four dollars a gallon to feed your vehicle these days, do you put water in that? [8|] (duh)



Icarys -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:11:08 PM)

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Um, at between three and four dollars a gallon to feed your vehicle these days, do you put water in that?

[:D]



pahunkboy -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:14:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SorceressJ

To LadyNTrainer and Icky: AGREE-AGREE-AGREE *nods*

To hunky: "..at $6 a gallon do you water it down?!?" Um, at between three and four dollars a gallon to feed your vehicle these days, do you put water in that? [8|] (duh)


People buy 2% and skim... which IS watered down.

Whole milk here- the store kind w hormones- is $4 a gallon.  I do not bother with 2% because Term talked me into that a few years ago.

Even before I would get serious about that other brand- I would have to look it up.    I dont even know if raw milk is allowed in PA.   I want to work with what I have first... before branching out to the other good stuff.... I was very disappointed when I thought the eggs were going to be good just because it was a farmers market.    They were the SAME store eggs- other then that 1st dozen that I bought from them.



SorceressJ -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:20:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
People buy 2% and skim... which IS watered down.


::does not compute::

People do all kinds of things which make Absolutely No Sense, it's true.. and if I was going to trouble myself to pay $6 a gallon for good milk from happy, local grass-fed cows instead of going to the regular store to buy the shit that nobody really knows what's in it or where it even came from, I would put water in it.. um, why?



Termyn8or -> RE: milk w hormones in it (6/24/2011 9:33:42 PM)

"People buy 2% and skim... which IS watered down."

You speak the truth Herr Hunkster. Ask them, and "they"will say it is not the same. They are speaking the truth. Rather than just watering it down they are extracting what is valuable from it, for industrial and farm applications, like the manufacture of drugs and a whole lot of other things. Just like salt.

Just like money, the real value of it is gone, and NO I am subscibing to the belief that it's vestment in metal is the cure. But they used to give you real money. It was the same as now, paper and coin. But back then it held it's value. It was what is supposed to be. Solid. Now salt is the same way, you see it and eat it, but it is not doing for you what it is supposed to do.

Over in Russia a guy on TV said "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work". Can you imagine a system poisoned so from the inside ? Well that is our fate.

But if they pretend to give you salt, at least you are only pretending to give them money.

You see, it all comes out in the wash.

ETA : I know this sounds cryptic, but I will explain now. I have REAL salt. I will not sell it and I don't even give it to my own Mother anymore. It's mine and I am keeping it. I don't sell my best guns, stash or tools either. If I ever find that silver I might sell some though. Got to find that shit.

T^T



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