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The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 2:55:07 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Here is yet another article that brings out things about corn, ethanol, and our politicians. Why are we doing things that are ineffective in actually reducing carbon, but pushes the price of foods up?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/opinion/25Rattner.html



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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 2:57:30 PM   
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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 3:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL. Yeah but as the article states, 40% of the corn used for food stuff is actually feed for meat producers.

If this is having such a huge impact on food prices, then why is the mandate on the amount of ethanol not repealed/changed/etc?

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 4:46:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If this is having such a huge impact on food prices, then why is the mandate on the amount of ethanol not repealed/changed/etc? "

My shortest answer EVER ! :

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 5:58:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		On a documentary program I saw about two years ago, it was revealed how badly we were being screwed by the regulations regarding ethanol. The first thing you have to look at is that for every gallon of ethanol produced it takes just a little more than 3/4 gallon of gas. That gas is used in the tractors to plant the seeds, spray pesticide, and harvest the corn. Then there are trucks to transport the corn and still more trucks to transport the ethanol once it is produced.

After that you have to consider that gallon-for-gallon ethanol has something like 60% of the energy that gas has. Which is why your mileage sucks more in the winter when there is a slightly higher amount of ethanol in the gas.

Once you factor everything in, ethanol is a losing proposition as an alternative energy source which is what this really started out as. Some idiots in Washington were foolish enough to believe that we could "grow our gas" and drop foreign oil.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 6:08:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, I concur with T,and as Pahunk says, Follow the money

But when one bcomes aware and the situation is unpalatable, one can always vote with their money, buck the system if you can and register your disaproval of what is happening.

As consumers we carry much power beyond those that say they speak for us, ignore the mouthpiece and do what you feel is right for yourself not others, you feel what you do, act with your conscience.

But I must warn of vengeance, for that can come to harm those where it is not warranted, especially when one aims to attack the conspirator. Clear vengeance from your mind and vote with your pocket, money spent less in one place enhances another.


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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 6:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The horrendous Smart cars have been discontinued. "Green jobs" are a fiction, more feel-good self delusion by the libs. We could create millions of jobs just by tapping into our wealth of natural resources, instead of paying others a premium for theirs.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 6:14:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Getting rid of deregulation..for safety and pollution wouldnt be a part of that process would it?

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 6:38:13 PM   
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I suppose to follow the money this would be a good place to start http://www.ethanolmt.org/plants.html



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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 6:44:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		When potential candidates have the ball to enter Iowa and disavow these subsidies perhaps we can make some progress in this area.As it is every one of these candidates looking for a good showing in Iowa have to get behind this silly losing proposition.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 7:16:00 PM   
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I suppose to follow the money this would be a good place to start http://www.ethanolmt.org/plants.html




Thanks for the info Orion.


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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 7:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it was brought up in a previous poll, but lets not forget about the damage ethenal is doing to small engines. The subsidies should end sooner that later.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 8:27:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

On a documentary program I saw about two years ago, it was revealed how badly we were being screwed by the regulations regarding ethanol. The first thing you have to look at is that for every gallon of ethanol produced it takes just a little more than 3/4 gallon of gas. That gas is used in the tractors to plant the seeds, spray pesticide, and harvest the corn. Then there are trucks to transport the corn and still more trucks to transport the ethanol once it is produced.



It takes twelve pounds of this same expensively produced corn, 55 acres, and 2,500 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef.

The agricultural subsides of the US, Europe, and Japan drive more and more third world country farmers out of existence every year.

All the above has been going on for decades, but now all of a sudden ethanol is the major problem in the world.

Of course corn ethanol is a scam, it was only legislated to pay tax dollars to the oil companies 45 cents a gallon to blend it with gasoline. Sugar ethanol is better in several regards, along with being more economical, except that the US imposes a 55 cent tariff on it.

How expensive would fossil fuels and nuclear energy be were they not so heavily subsidized, far more than ethanol?

All this has only been addressed about 20 times already in these forums.






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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 8:32:05 PM   
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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 9:17:32 PM   
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The agricultural subsides of the US, Europe, and Japan drive more and more third world country farmers out of existence every year.


And the American government whines about how unfair it is for Canada to subsidize the softwood lumber industry to make it cheaper than American businesses can sell it for. It's never an issue when it's an unfair advantage to the USA, but quite the contrary when another nation can best them.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 9:35:37 PM   
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No disagreement there.

All the tariff and other issues are just playing chips amoung countries.

And China is pissed off at Europe for the carbon tax thing, and cancelled orders for Airbus jets in retaliation.



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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 9:54:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Here is yet another article that brings out things about corn, ethanol, and our politicians. Why are we doing things that are ineffective in actually reducing carbon, but pushes the price of foods up?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/opinion/25Rattner.html


So Monsanto can monopolize the grain market with it's patented GM hybrids, duh.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/25/2011 11:01:03 PM   
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It takes twelve pounds of this same expensively produced corn, 55 acres, and 2,500 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef.


You might want to check your figures there Edwynn. In this part of the country, you can raise a dozen 1000 pound steers (grass fed) on about 15-20 acres

55 acres/pound means you're looking at 85 square miles and 2.5 million gallons of water to raise one steer.

Since a cow drinks about 30 gallons of water/day, that takes some doing. Like 228 years.

Damn thing would be kinda tough by then. There's not enough meat tenderizer in the world.

Did you, by chance, get that info off the PETA (or similar) website? They're a little biased.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/26/2011 3:03:49 AM   
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"Once you factor everything in, ethanol is a losing proposition as an alternative energy source which is what this really started out as. Some idiots in Washington were foolish enough to believe that we could "grow our gas" and drop foreign oil. "

No, that was never their goal since our Granparents it is not and it will never be. The power depends on that commodity and they will enjoy every fucking minute of it's disappearance from our environment, as it's "value" increases. That is what I mean by seeing the bigger picture - what would YOU do ?

The oil industry could adapt to alternative energy, with their financial might they are the ones who could get it done, and could easily be the ones to profit since they already have the delivery system. The reason why they don't is a complex one. Anyone game ?

At least eight tenths of the people on this forum would have no idea, so I will not spew it out. Ask for it. Otherwise you may remain puzzled. Puzzled as to WHY the specific people who really DO have the most to gain from alternative energy do not persue it (publicly).

Any of you, ask me why.

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RE: The Great Corn Con - 6/26/2011 3:06:33 AM   
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In case you didn't know, it does not have to.

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