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Chaingang -> Look over there!!! (5/15/2006 11:20:33 PM)

The border - it must be secured!

Pay no attention to the men from my administration that are about to be indicted and tried for treason.




MsMacComb -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 1:41:31 AM)

Not to mention pay no attention to "me" who will eventually be impeached and tried and convicted as a war criminal. [:)]




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 10:49:21 AM)

Ah, the good old "Look a Bluebird (while I steal your doughnut)" trick.




Moloch -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 10:54:22 AM)

You know Swiss found an easy solution to their border, Switzerland is surrounded by minefileds, thats right mine fields.
Mexicans Bitch about "unfair this and that" Illegal guatemalans caught in mexico are beatten robbed raped and imprisoned.




slaverosebeauty -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 11:11:14 AM)

Nahhhhhhhhhh. Lets just put all the prisons along the border. All hte barbed wire, guns, security ad BIG scarry guys named 'Bubba' that will scare the border crossers. The again, minefields would not be such a bad idea. {goes away and tried to figure out the legistics}




Pavel -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 11:58:36 AM)

Better plan.  On our side of the border, we just install signs that say "Welcome to Mexico," in the same exact style as the Mexican side of the border.

I think it'd be amuseing for a while at least.




Moloch -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 12:03:11 PM)

We should deport illegals to China :) or Ghana  or Somalia




Gauge -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 1:20:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

The border - it must be secured!

Pay no attention to the men from my administration that are about to be indicted and tried for treason.


So I infer from your comments that you don't think that securing a border that leaks like a sieve should be addressed? Diversionary tactic or not it is an important issue. Of the few things that I can say about this idiot in the White House, I can say that I like his ideas in securing the border and dealing with companies that hire illegal immigrants.




RedRedWine -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 1:32:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moloch

We should deport illegals to China :) or Ghana  or Somalia


Or the Bermuda Triangle. (I've always wondered about that place)




Chaingang -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 3:18:33 PM)

Gauge:

Well, let's see what happens shall we? He said that Iraq thing would be a slam dunk also...




Gauge -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 3:25:13 PM)

quote:

Well, let's see what happens shall we? He said that Iraq thing would be a slam dunk also...


That is all we can do at this point, however you didn't really answer my one question... do you not think that securing our southern border is not important? I don't have much faith in this twit either, but the ideas for securing the border sound decent enough in theory.




MsMacComb -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 3:47:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge
That is all we can do at this point, however you didn't really answer my one question... do you not think that securing our southern border is not important? I don't have much faith in this twit either, but the ideas for securing the border sound decent enough in theory.
 

The only way to totally secure our southern border is to "DMZ" it. Sending 6000 National Guardsmen with no authority to act on anything is simply to appease the far right wing base for the upcoming elections, nothing else.




UtopianRanger -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 3:53:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

Not to mention pay no attention to "me" who will eventually be impeached and tried and convicted as a war criminal. [:)]


But that's not fast enough. I keep hoping that the whole administration comes down with a lethal strain of the bird flu.



 - R




Evanesce -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 8:56:17 PM)

quote:

The border - it must be secured!

Pay no attention to the men from my administration that are about to be indicted and tried for treason.



This surprises you?  How do you think the "Patriot Act" got pushed through so easily?  Terror alert orange, my ass!




snappykappy -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 9:09:33 PM)

During President George W. Bush's televised speech on the issue of illegal immigration, not once did he mention the hordes of criminals entering the United States and preying upon American citizens. How often we hear the news media lamenting the fact that the US incarcerates more and more convicts each year. Want to reduce the incarceration rate? Then reduce the number of criminals who enter the country illegally or enter legally but remain here illegally.
Some may accuse me of gross hyperbole when I say that the government of Mexico uses the US as their penal system, but truth be told, tens of thousands of criminal aliens who come into the US are from Mexico and our federal and state prisons, and local jails warehouse these lawbreakers at the expense of US taxpayers. Not only that, but the US provides an abundance of crime victims for these killers, robbers, rapists and child molesters.When the United States incarcerates criminal aliens--noncitizens convicted of crimes while in this country legally or illegally--in federal and state prisons and local jails, the federal government bears much of the costs. It pays to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and reimburses state and local governments for a portion of their costs of incarcerating some, but not all, criminal aliens illegally in the country through the Department of Justice's State Criminal Alien Assistance Program managed by the Bureau of Justice Assistance.Some state and local governments have expressed concerns about the impact that criminal aliens have on already overcrowded prisons and jails and that the federal government reimburses them for only a portion of their costs of incarcerating criminal aliens. Congress requested that the General Accounting Office provide information concerning criminal aliens incarcerated at the federal, state, and local level. For the criminal aliens incarcerated, the state and local governments that received reimbursement through SCAAP, only received about 25 percent of the costs.At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004--a 15 percent increase. The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico.It is estimated the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens -- Bureau of Prison's cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP --totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase.Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004, in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations. At the state level, the 50 states received reimbursement for incarcerating about 77,000 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2002 and 47 states received reimbursement for incarcerating about 74,000 in fiscal year 2003.For the 5 states incarcerating about 80 percent of these criminal aliens in fiscal year 2003, about 68 percent incarcerated in mid-year 2004 reported that the country of citizenship or country of birth as Mexico, the Dominican Republic, or Cuba. Four of these 5 states spent about $1.6 billion to incarcerate criminal aliens reimbursed through SCAAP during fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Estimates are that the federal government reimbursed these four states about 25 percent or less of the estimated cost to incarcerate these criminal aliens in fiscal years 2002 and 2003.At the local level, in fiscal year 2002, SCAAP reimbursed about 750 local governments for incarcerating about 138,000 criminal aliens. In fiscal year 2003, SCAAP reimbursed about 700 local governments for about 147,000 criminal aliens, with 5 local jail systems accounting for about 30 percent of these criminal aliens. The 147,000 criminal aliens incarcerated during fiscal year 2003 spent a total of about 8.5 million days in jail. Mexico leads as the country of birth for foreign-born arrestees at these 5 local jails in fiscal year 2003.It's estimated that 4 of these 5 local jails spent $390 million in fiscal years 2002 and 2003 to incarcerate criminal aliens and were reimbursed about $73 million through SCAAP. It's believed that the federal government reimbursed these localities about 25 percent or less of the criminal alien incarceration cost in fiscal years 2002 and 2003.Sources: US Justice Department, US Bureau of Prisons, General Accounting Office, American Federation of Police, National Association of Chiefs of Police




NastyDaddy -> RE: Look over there!!! (5/16/2006 10:19:21 PM)

W has a bunch of friends and buddies setup in an agency called Homeland Security. They are word wizards and expert pundits, some are pretty good golfers I'm told. These guys are so good at protecting the country they strongarmed FEMA and kept hurricanes Katrina and Rita victims sitting in polluted water with no drinking water or food for literally weeks until they got finished touring the devastation, often closing the few operating airports for their use only, with little or no relief flights. When HSA folks had all the logistics locations tied up for dog and pony shows, the least manned and equipped military units, the Coast Guard was tasked with the brunt of all flight rescue operations. Did you ever see anything besides White & orange CG choppers picking up people from their rooftops? Nope, you saw CG in the air and mostly civilian volunteers in often their own boats performing search and rescue.

At any rate, with a W built agency this good, all we need to do is tell HSA there are has been a major flood in the Rio Grande and an earthquake along the border... Then have Laredo call for FEMA help, and HSA will shut everything down both directions, turn the border into a circus with dog and pony shows and tours... and challenge anybody attempting to go in or out, keeping most out whether documented legit or not. HSA would have the border in a virtual lockdown, all the hotels booked up and all the rental cars taken.

On the other hand, from a wetfoot/dryfoot rule point of view, the best way to deal with illegal Mexicans is to find out where they absolutely do not want to go... and then send them there.




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