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Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians... - 6/28/2011 1:58:11 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		As a Christian, one thing I have noticed, {especially around here} is many seem to categorize all Christians as if we all share the exact same beliefs and worship the same way.

I just wanted to post this as a newsflash for those that may be seriously ignorant of the fact that there are hundreds of DIFFERENT Classes of Christian, we are NOT one size fits all.

I rarely if/ever participate in threads regarding Christianity because I have NO idea which of the thousands of classes of Christians are being discussed.

There are over 38,000 different Christian religions, they are separated by dogma, policy and religion,

Here is a list of SOME of the most common classes of Christian:

1 Catholicism
1.1 Roman Catholic Church
1.1.1 Latin Rite1.1.2 Eastern Catholic Churches
1.2 Eastern Orthodox Church
1.3 Oriental Orthodox Church
1.4 Assyrian Church of the East
1.5 Anglican Communion
1.6 Other churches self-identified as Catholic
1.6.1 Independent1.6.2 Orthodox 1.6.2.1 Byzantine1.6.2.2 Oriental1.6.2.3 Western-Rite1.6.3 Assyrian1.6.4 Anglican
2 Protestantism
2.1 Pre-Lutheran Protestants
2.2 Lutheranism
2.3 Anglican Churches
2.4 Reformed Churches
2.5 Presbyterianism
2.6 Congregationalist Churches
2.7 Anabaptists
2.8 Brethren
2.9 Methodists
2.10 Pietists and Holiness Churches
2.11 Baptists
2.11.1 Spiritual Baptists
2.12 Apostolic Churches – Irvingites
2.13 Pentecostalism
2.14 Charismatics
2.14.1 Neo-Charismatic Churches
2.15 African Initiated Churches
2.16 United and uniting churches
2.17 Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
2.18 Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement
2.19 Southcottites
2.20 Millerites and comparable groups
2.20.1 Sabbath Keeping Churches, Adventist2.20.2 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Non-Adventist2.20.3 Sunday Adventists2.20.4 Sacred Name Groups
2.21 British-Israelism
2.22 Miscellaneous/Other
3 Latter Day Saints
3.1 "Prairie Saint" denominations
3.2 Rocky Mountains denominations
3.3 Other denominations
4 Nontrinitarian groups
4.1 Oneness Pentecostalism
4.2 Unitarianism and Universalism
4.3 Bible Student groups
4.4 Swedenborgianism
4.5 Other non-Trinitarians
5 Messianic Judaism
6 New Thought
7 Syncretistic religions incorporating elements of Christianity
8 Esoteric Christianity

Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christanity.

So when you are talking about CHRISTIANS and our beliefs are you really talking all the classes of Christianity or just one or two?

Do you really believe with over 30,000 classes of Christianity from: Catholic......New Thought....African Initiated Churches.......Quakers......... Latter Day Saints, etc. and many that are not even listed here, that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?



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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:02:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		"There are over 38,000 different Christian religions, they are separated by dogma, policy and religion, "

Amazing with such diversity that they are all so uniformly misguided!



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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:06:20 PM   
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"There are over 38,000 different Christian religions, they are separated by dogma, policy and religion, "

Amazing with such diversity that they are all so uniformly misguided!




You are entitled to whatever belief system you hold, but even you might realize there is a difference between: New Age Christians, Catholics, Latter Day Saints, and Africian Based Offshoots and the thousand other classes of Christians.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:09:07 PM   
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that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?
oh absolutely. you only need one brush for fucking delusional.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:10:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?
oh absolutely. you only need one brush for fucking delusional.


That is a very broad brush!!


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:13:32 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:15:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is hard to stereotype people if you admit that they are not monolithic.


Thank you for having a brain and using it.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:15:07 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, each of the over 38,000 variants of Christianity believes that their own variant is the only "true" religion (much like the many atheists who believe that only atheism is "correct" and any and all religions or spiritual philosophies are "wrong").

Example from my own family: My father was an ordained minister in the American Baptist Convention and for many years ministered in American Baptist Convention churches in Pennsylvania. When he and my mother moved to New Mexico after he retired, they went to the only Baptist church in their new town, which was a Southern Baptist Convention church. When they asked about becoming members, they were told that my father would first have to publically "confess his sin" of being an American Baptist Convention minister, because anyone other than a Southern Baptist was not a "real Christian".

My father started his own American Baptist Convention church in the town. It still continues 5 years after his death. (BTW: they let anyone join - even those who used to attend Southern Baptist Convention churches)

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:20:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Sadly, each of the over 38,000 variants of Christianity believes that their own variant is the only "true" religion (much like the many atheists who believe that only atheism is "correct" and any and all religions or spiritual philosophies are "wrong").

Example from my own family: My father was an ordained minister in the American Baptist Convention and for many years ministered in American Baptist Convention churches in Pennsylvania. When he and my mother moved to New Mexico after he retired, they went to the only Baptist church in their new town, which was a Southern Baptist Convention church. When they asked about becoming members, they were told that my father would first have to publically "confess his sin" of being an American Baptist Convention minister, because anyone other than a Southern Baptist was not a "real Christian".

My father started his own American Baptist Convention church in the town. It still continues 5 years after his death. (BTW: they let anyone join - even those who used to attend Southern Baptist Convention churches)


Thank you for posting!
I am one of the few that does not feel that there is only ONE true religion.
I have been a member of several different types of churches, and I enjoy visiting all types of
churches.
I currently do not have a church home, but I am interested in at least 4 different types of churches.
With an open heart and mind, I agree there are just way too many choices!

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:20:49 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:22:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		One would wonder if you have the same concern about Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc.  Or is it just one religion you are concerned about? 

As any intelligent person would know, it is not the religion of a person, it is the content of the character (I think a Christian leader said something about that once).  Also, when something is done in the name of a religion, it automatically gets associated with that religion, Sparky.  G*d Bless America and all that jazz...


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:26:01 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

One would wonder if you have the same concern about Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc.  Or is it just one religion you are concerned about? 

As any intelligent person would know, it is not the religion of a person, it is the content of the character (I think a Christian leader said something about that once).  Also, when something is done in the name of a religion, it automatically gets associated with that religion, Sparky.  G*d Bless America and all that jazz...



Good post, I started this thread to point out there were over 30,000 classes of Christians, and we are often not even talking about the same class of Christian.

You are totally right about the other types of Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc. and I hope that members of other types of religion would list all the various classes!
When we are talking about Muslims, most of us are not discussing all Muslims, the same with every religion!
I look forward to more threads about the different classes!

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:26:43 PM   
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As a Christian, one thing I have noticed, {especially around here} is many seem to categorize all Christians as if we all share the exact same beliefs and worship the same way.


Don't feel singled out. The same is true of the many Islamic sects, Buddhist sects, Tantric sects, Hindu sects, Taoist sects, Native American sects, Jewish sects, Pagan sects . . . and for that matter, atheists, who regularly get grouped into the minority that likes to be militant about it.

And the same with heritage....Latino or Hispanic varies pretty amazingly from Spain to Mexico to Chile....or African from Mali to Egypt to South Africa...or Asian from Korean to Afghan to Indian...or European from Greek to French to Norwegian.

For that matter, Americans included laconic Mainers and twanging Texans and latte sipping Washingtonians.

Stereotyping is universal. It's convenient, especially when people are used to offering broad generalities rather than specifics.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 2:29:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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As a Christian, one thing I have noticed, {especially around here} is many seem to categorize all Christians as if we all share the exact same beliefs and worship the same way.


Don't feel singled out. The same is true of the many Islamic sects, Buddhist sects, Tantric sects, Hindu sects, Taoist sects, Native American sects, Jewish sects, Pagan sects . . . and for that matter, atheists, who regularly get grouped into the minority that likes to be militant about it.

And the same with heritage....Latino or Hispanic varies pretty amazingly from Spain to Mexico to Chile....or African from Mali to Egypt to South Africa...or Asian from Korean to Afghan to Indian...or European from Greek to French to Norwegian.

For that matter, Americans included laconic Mainers and twanging Texans and latte sipping Washingtonians.

Stereotyping is universal. It's convenient, especially when people are used to offering broad generalities rather than specifics.


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Great post!
It is so much easier to sterotype ignorantly, than be specific!

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 2:56:16 PM   
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But if a politically powerful avowed atheist, such as Pol Pot of Cambodia, does evil based on their understanding of atheism - they're just a lone wolf nut-case and not representative of all atheists worldwide, past, present and future in the eyes of their fellow atheists?

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 3:01:13 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 3:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the funniest, most ill-educated, contradictory remarks i ever read followed an OP i wrote about bigots.

i explained that i had become acquainted with an exceptionally-educated man whose goal was to help people further themselves through education. Our budding relationship evaporated when i realized how mindlessly prejudiced he was toward just about anyone who failed to meet his standards, and how completely blind he was to his own hypocracy.

He was one of a group of students in a Master's level course for career advisors, and complaining bitterly about his fellow students' use of improper grammar. i asked them what he'd do to help them overcome this liability, and he said, "I'd send them back to kindergarten and tell them to work until they get it right." He never did understand the significance of upper-level classroom he shared with them. All he knew was that they were unable to express themselves the One True Way.

i'd already heard enough from him by this point. i was aware that if they didn't speak English well enough, if they couldn't grasp a concept as quickly as he did, if he didn't like the neighborhood they grew up up in, or if any other vague dislike cropped up because of the color of their skin, he switched from a generous, kind, well-mannered scholar into a seriously unpleasant elitist with no empathy for anyone who wasn't like him.

i politely asked him not to contact me again, giving him a limited (if pointless) explanation. Then i worked the rest of my annoyance out of my system by writing an essay about prejudice.

The gist of the essay was a simple demand. If a person is so determined to single out a group of people and hate them, they should at least be able to clearly explain WHY they hate them. (He couldn't. Not once. Instead, he would falter into generalized, sputtered complaints.)

The first comment to follow my post was this, almost verbatim: "That's why i hate bigots and Christians."

O-kaay.... Can't remember writing about any Christians.... Just bigots.

My point?

You folks with the broad brushes.... It seems to me you feel no need to identify your reasons for being bigoted against Christians. As with my erstwhile acquaintance, it's easier for you to sputter out a sadly clichéd metaphor.

It's certainly easier for you to bypass the effort it would take to understand the impact of Christianity's many sects on our history, on Western philosophy, on the mindsets of the people who make our laws and enforce them — or even the way Western thought has evolved to a point where your point of view can be openly expressed.

Do you realize what that means in terms of how well you understand the society you're a part of?

The fact is, regardless of what you consider to be our fundamental disillusioned state, the OP is right. As human beings, all of us believe different things. Some of us (Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, or whatever) opt to express our beliefs through an institutionalized religion that feels right to us.

There's no way to talk about Christianity as a concept without getting specific about which sect believes what. That's because we don't even agree about the root word in "Christianity" — not what Christ stood for, what He wants us to do with our lives, or even how many people will succeed in getting to the Great Beyond.

Perhaps you paint with such a broad brush because it's easier to be a bigot who hates Christians than to look inward and try to figure out what's different between your beliefs and ours. Perhaps it's even easier because whatever it is that we find so satisfying about our mutual disillusionment has eluded you — and that's why it bothers us to see us being happy in our ignorance.

i don't have anything against your ignorance. If it makes you happy, i'm fine with that.

But as a member of one of the many diverse Christian sects, i would ask anyone like you to stay away and not bother telling me i'm an idiot for believing what i do. my reason? It's simple. A one-sided exercise like that would be very boring.

i'd much rather compare my belief system with yours and learn something from you — but only if a comparison of such fundamental values doesn't make you feel threatened and defensive. That gets boring, too.

i try not to hate anyone. But i do have little use for bigots. And, unlike the subject of my essay, i can put my finger on what it is that i find so objectionable about them.

They're repetitive, mind-numbing conversationalists. And negative — don't even get me started on how tedious it is, trying to discuss anything deeper than a football game with people who are so negative about anything they disagree with. Why would i want to talk with a person who looks at the world through such a dark, restricted lens?

Just try not to take it personally, okay? You know you wouldn't be interested in talking with me, either.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 3:17:20 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 3:26:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, and that goes for all beliefs or unbeliefs, except that many a christian never sees the differences in other religions and is therefore quick to denigrate all for the actions of a few.

Bottom line ; people in glass houses should not throw stones.

With Islam, a few say what, yet all are evil according to those who call themselves Christians, so that being, if the different interpretations of Christian belief are to be recognised, perhaps it is wise for Christians to treat others as they would like to be treated themselves.

Personaly, I believe the religions that have grown up around god are all wrong and that because for every new religion, it took a human interpreter to kick the thing off


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