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HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 5:56:55 AM)

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Maybe I should ask my pastor to pray for her.
or just sacrifice a chicken or two to the baal of tyre for all the fucking good it will do.



Marc2b -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:05:26 AM)

I've no clue.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:12:24 AM)

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i don't really know where you're getting that.

no probs lilly, i'll show you where i fucking got it from.

he said god provided "the perspective to view from other viewpoints", so i asked why, if this was the case, religions (not the average lip service believer) were so fucking intolerant of other religions .

he replied that was because the people were stupid and didn't understand the teachings of their own fucking religion. Now since pretty fucking well every pope, ayatollah and theologian has been intolerant of differing religions, it follows, by his fucking reasoning, not mine, that they were all stupid people who didn't understand their religion's actual teachings.

Now if this is the fucking case, the implication inherent in his response is that he does understand those teachings, since he can see how the intolerant ones don't.

kind of a straight forward 1+1=2, 2+1=3 sort of progression. i know you really don't like confrontation, but all i'm doing is working with what he fucking gave me, and pointing out the obvious fucking flaws therein.



orchid77 -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:18:12 AM)

LOL Hannah!! I think I am starting to like you. You are wearing on me.

G-d to me is love and not the melodramatic terroristic acts you see in the world today.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:25:09 AM)

i kinda fucking like that one orchid. however, me being me, i have a few fucking questions. <weg>

first, by that do you mean that god is the source of the love that we feel, or that he is the result of the love we feel? or do you fucking mean he is love incarnate, or the personification of love?



cpK69 -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:25:13 AM)

God is the entity representation of the concept that all living things are subject to; God is Life.
Kim



LillyBoPeep -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:26:36 AM)

ah okay, well that line of reasoning makes sense. but i think it's also easy to say that, when a religion teaches X, and even a leader of that religion does Y in contradiction of X, then even the religious leader isn't being true to the religion. it's pretty uncommon for a human being to accept power without also accepting corruption, even among the religious. leaders in the religious world are often after political power, too, and feigning sincerity in a religion is a great way to fool people.
so yeah, i'd say, even then, that not all "religious leaders" live up to their own religions. a common ordinary man can be a far better example than any pope. i'm not an organized religion type anymore, but i've seen my fair share of hypocritical pastors who didn't understand anything any better than my grandma. =p



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:32:15 AM)

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God is what humans use fill the gaping hole caused by the fact that we are hardwired to search for more meaning in life than is actually there.
bingo! that's pretty fucking much the way i see it. i just don't see it so much as being fucking hardwired as being afraid of our own irrelevance in the grand scheme of things.

our brains have developed to the point that we are capable of self awareness. inherent in that is a viewpoint within each of us that we are fucking important. yet all the fucking evidence of our senses and life in general pretty much shoots the fuck out of that idea. so we're fucking terrified by the implications of personal irrelevance and therefore seek some hidden deeper meaning that just isn't fucking there.

see folks, i have thought this shit through. i'm not just spouting stuff to shock.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:38:37 AM)

no fucking argument with that lilly, but <i can hear you now: fuck off with the buts hannah!> how does that explain all the religious thinkers and theologians who laboured in relative fucking obscurity in monasteries and madrasas scattered around the world and yet still came out being fucking intolerant of other religions? and even more why such a fucking large majority of everyday believers are also intolerant? they have no power to corrupt them.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:42:28 AM)

so cpk69, he's only a representation, and not something actually fucking real, not a demiurge in the sense used by plato?



LillyBoPeep -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:46:04 AM)

they do have power, or at least they believe they do. they believe that they have the power of being right. =p THAT'S a horrendously corrupting force.
humans are competitive by nature and so religion becomes competitive, too.



Icarys -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:46:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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God is what humans use fill the gaping hole caused by the fact that we are hardwired to search for more meaning in life than is actually there.
bingo! that's pretty fucking much the way i see it. i just don't see it so much as being fucking hardwired as being afraid of our own irrelevance in the grand scheme of things.

our brains have developed to the point that we are capable of self awareness. inherent in that is a viewpoint within each of us that we are fucking important. yet all the fucking evidence of our senses and life in general pretty much shoots the fuck out of that idea. so we're fucking terrified by the implications of personal irrelevance and therefore seek some hidden deeper meaning that just isn't fucking there.

see folks, i have thought this shit through. i'm not just spouting stuff to shock.

So should we take your word for it that there isn't a God? I'm sorry, I just won't do that, Hannah.

I for one see God in everyday life, I see him when I watch episodes of "Through the Wormhole" and many other science shows that talk about the Universe, I see him when I look at your average person and begin to conceptualize the inner workings of the human body down to the most known parts..In short I see him everywhere.

I don't see him for a fear of death and hope of continuing life. I don't see him because I have a void to fill and it's easier to do it with an all-powerful being and I don't see him because I have a lack of understanding of science.

I believe because I observe and I've thought this through for a great portion of my life as well.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:53:51 AM)

so pretty much everybody who actually studies a religion's teachings gets it fucking wrong? are you really fucking sure you want to make that your position?



LillyBoPeep -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:58:23 AM)

i'm pretty sure that's not what i said. =p i think most people are already basically intolerant. people are afraid of things that are different (unless they can box them into something that's not quite as scary), and so they read into a religion as giving them license to act out their intolerance -- the intolerance exists before/without religion. people use religion as justification for ethnic cleansing and racism. in the "good old days," for instance, people believed that God made black people secondary to white people, even though the bible says that God made all human beings in his own image. so how do they get around that? they classify black people as non-human. =p the intolerance exists regardless of the religion, because intolerance/FEAR/self-importance is kind of a human trait. (though, maybe i'm a cynic.)



Icarys -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:59:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

so pretty much everybody who actually studies a religion's teachings gets it fucking wrong? are you really fucking sure you want to make that your position?

That's a pretty broad statement even for a broad such as yourself. [:D]

I'm sure there are plenty who get it right. Why the hard-on for religion?



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 6:59:38 AM)

fuck off icky! go argue with pam, its her fucking idea!


nah just fucking with you. i'll engage happily.

ok, so you see evidence of god in the amazing complexity and elegance of creation. fair enough, actually one of the fucking more compelling arguments for the existence of a god. now since you do believe, what, to you, is this god? after all, that is the fucking topic of this thread.



RakeAndCo -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 7:00:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
oh no rake, he loves everybody, apparently the fucker has some hidden benevolent purpose in hacking their arms and legs off.
Have you ever heard about an amputee being miraculously cured by god? Because I'm pretty sure I heard about everyone else regardless of their illness. Never amputee. Ever. Must -really- hate them.



cpK69 -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 7:01:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

so cpk69, he's only a representation, and not something actually fucking real, not a demiurge in the sense used by plato?


I thought saying “entity representation” would cover my understanding that he does exist. I don’t know what Plato said on the topic of controlling the material world, but I would say his participation in what goes on with man, is more in the form of influencing, than controlling.
 
Kim



Icarys -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 7:02:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i'm pretty sure that's not what i said. =p i think most people are already basically intolerant. people are afraid of things that are different (unless they can box them into something that's not quite as scary), and so they read into a religion as giving them license to act out their intolerance -- the intolerance exists before/without religion. people use religion as justification for ethnic cleansing and racism. in the "good old days," for instance, people believed that God made black people secondary to white people, even though the bible says that God made all human beings in his own image. so how do they get around that? they classify black people as non-human. =p the intolerance exists regardless of the religion, because intolerance/FEAR/self-importance is kind of a human trait. (though, maybe i'm a cynic.)

I think you have a good handle on things here and or I think you have some good handles on things. Both actually.[:)]



HannahLynHeather -> RE: What is a God ? (6/29/2011 7:06:31 AM)

excellent fucking points lilly. i can agree with you 100%. the fucking intolerance is not due to the religion, it is in spite of the teachings. it preexists the religious teachings, and is very often too deeply ingrained to be overcome by them.

not only does this satisfactorily explain the intolerance of so many of the fuckers who profess a religion, it also explains those who are fucking tolerant. the ghandis and mother theresas do manage to take the teachings to heart and overcome their innate intolerance. i really fucking like this, because it puts the responsibility squarely on us.

thanks a fuck of a lot for talking it through. [:)]



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