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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 8:34:04 AM   
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What do you think putting down insurrection meant ?   And it says lawfully incurred debt limits are the law.   


no, it doesnt say that at all.  nefariously adding the word limits has no meaning in law, maybe what you wish it said, but doesnt say that.

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 8:41:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		the 14th is the result of the spoils of conquest.

when one country or organization takes over another they adjust the "law" [cough] to suit their needs without completely destroying the original.

Hence the 13th - 16th and so forth.

Everyone has this vision of a hitler style guns on every corner and that is not the way its done.  Its done by reconstruction as admitted by the supreme court when they created the new government as a result of not paying the bills and the federal guv who in violation and rebellion of the constitution were able to pull off a win by slanting the premise and gaining the support of the people of the north when in fact and in law the south was correct in their standing.

the 14th proven to never have been "lawfully" passed and illegitimately forced upon this country as the result of said conquest AGAIN created the king-subject paradigm on a redesigned stage with a new set of words through the usual syntax terrorism of the really smart elite versus the dumb ass public.

Hence the supreme court stating the original ten amendments "no longer" applies in the elks case as I posted numerous times.

welcome to the desert of the REAL!


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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 9:50:56 AM   
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The current crop of Democrats will do whatever it takes to spend the country into complete and total ruin



Those damn Democrats!!!!


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On June 28, 2002, the debt ceiling was raised from $5.95 trillion to $6.4 trillion. S.2578, which became Public Law 107-199, was opposed by only 15 Republicans in the Senate and 6 in the House. It was 206 out of 210 Democrats in the House that opposed the increase.


On April 27, 2003, the debt ceiling was raised from $6.4 trillion to $7.384 trillion. H.J. Res.51, which became Public Law 108-24, was opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate. In the House the Gephardt Rule came into effect. House Rule XXVII, called the Gephardt rule (after congressman Richard Gephardt) provides for the automatic engrossment of a House joint resolution increasing the public debt limit once Congress agrees to the conference report on a budget resolution, in this case the H.Con.Res.95 conference report. And how did Republicans vote on this conference report on the bloated FY 2004 budget? Only 7 Republicans voted against it.


On November 18, 2004, the debt ceiling was raised from $7.384 trillion to $8.184 trillion. S.2986, which became Public Law 108-415, was again opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate and by 10 Republicans in the House. Every voting Democrat voted against raising the debt limit.


On March 20, 2006, the debt ceiling was raised from $8.184 trillion to $8.965 trillion. H.J. Res.47, which became Public Law 109-182, was opposed by only 3 Republicans in the Senate. Not a single Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of raising the debt limit. In the House the Gephardt Rule once again came into effect. But how did House Republicans vote on the H.Con.Res.95 conference report for the FY 2007 budget? Only 15 of them (out of 232) opposed it.

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 10:52:08 AM   
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Nothing in there makes debt ceilings unconstitutional.
...unless it throws the gov into default.

There has to be some debt, the value of all currency issued by the mint is debt, borrowed by the Federal government, the gov defaults, money is not worth the paper it's printed on.

Geithner is saying, "that ain't goan happen".

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 10:53:25 AM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 2:07:38 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 2:10:44 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 2:10:48 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 2:21:44 PM   
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The U.S. has never defaulted on its loans.


fought 3 wars over it LOL

The U.S. Bankruptcy is verified in Senate Report No. 93-549 93rd Congress, 1st Session (1973), “Summary of Emergency Power Statutes,” Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the “Trading With The Enemy Act (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917), and as further codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95(a) and (b).   United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303   Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:   "Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U. S. Government.   “It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.


what was that again?  

I had to squelch out all the noise that the US pays all their debts bullshit.






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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 3:48:13 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 5:10:05 PM   
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The U.S. has never defaulted on its loans.


fought 3 wars over it LOL

The U.S. Bankruptcy is verified in Senate Report No. 93-549 93rd Congress, 1st Session (1973), “Summary of Emergency Power Statutes,” Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the “Trading With The Enemy Act (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917), and as further codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95(a) and (b).   United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303   Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:   "Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U. S. Government.   “It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.


what was that again?  

I had to squelch out all the noise that the US pays all their debts bullshit.




You must be a Golden Earring fan, because you live in the Twilight Zone.



as you can see its all there....black ink on white paper.  you can look everyone of them up.  Lays it all out.   These goodies are in the thinking mans arena and not for those who need filtered homogenized canned answers.





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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 5:27:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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The U.S. has never defaulted on its loans.


fought 3 wars over it LOL

The U.S. Bankruptcy is verified in Senate Report No. 93-549 93rd Congress, 1st Session (1973), “Summary of Emergency Power Statutes,” Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the “Trading With The Enemy Act (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917), and as further codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95(a) and (b).   United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303   Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:   "Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U. S. Government.   “It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.


what was that again?  

I had to squelch out all the noise that the US pays all their debts bullshit.




You must be a Golden Earring fan, because you live in the Twilight Zone.



as you can see its all there....black ink on white paper.  you can look everyone of them up.  Lays it all out.   These goodies are in the thinking mans arena and not for those who need filtered homogenized canned answers.






If thats what you think conspiracy sites are, yup, youre right.

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 6:04:39 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 6:06:59 PM   
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That's what the amendment says
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The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.



Kind of like "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 7:58:44 PM   
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Exactly the point I was making in my first post but was informed by someone who had not read the 14th that A it wasn't about Civil War debt an B Civil war debt wouldn't be addressed by Constitutional amendment.  I was also informed that the 42 amendment had nothing to do with debt.  Don't know how they knew since there are only 27.   

You misunderstand. The part about debt is in no way limited to the debt issued during the Civil War. The prime focus was to regularize the status of those debts but the amendment is the underlying authority for all government borrowing.

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 8:02:04 PM   
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I was referring to the library of congress and the contents thereof et al


Just block the guy.  He has nothing constructive to add to the discussion.

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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 8:02:47 PM   
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That's what the amendment says
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The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.



Kind of like "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

Except you left out half the sentence.
quote:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 9:06:45 PM   
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That's what the amendment says
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The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.



Kind of like "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".


to bad the 14th abolished the word "right" as pertains to the individual as ken is alluding to above.  read my post on the supreme court decision explaining it as a result of the south losing the war.

you have no "rights"!


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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 9:30:38 PM   
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RE: Tim Geithner: 14th Amendment Says Debt 'Shall Not B... - 7/1/2011 9:47:59 PM   
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