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defiantbadgirl -> republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 8:51:36 PM)
How many jobs bills did Republicans write to end tax breaks for outsourcing and provide incentives to bring jobs back to the US?

Fellow -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 9:17:33 PM)
The official explanation to outsourcing offered by the politicians (of both sides with very few exceptions) is that it benefits both sides. Associated to outsourcing net job losses are due to the laziness of American workers to learn and adapt in new competitive environment. This is what Clinton/Gore told Americans; the same with G.W. Bush. Obama, of course, have no glue about the issue as usual.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:00:13 PM)
The only way outsourcing could benefit both sides is if the cost of living in the US was equal to the cost of living in countries like China, Mexico, and India. President Clinton made a mistake when he signed the already written NAFTA because the cost of living in Mexico is far lower than in the US. The majority of Americans are against outsourcing because wages have declined and the cost of living hasn't. Democrats wrote a jobs bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing and provide incentives to bring jobs back. Republicans voted against that bill. The last Republican campaign centered around jobs. Therefore, I want to know if a jobs bill was written by Republicans to discourage outsourcing and encourage the return of outsourced jobs. The jobs bill Democrats wrote proves they are listening to the American middle class. I'm seeking proof that Republican leaders are listening to the American middle class. Did Republican leaders write any jobs bills designed to discourage outsourcing and bring outsourced jobs back?

SternSkipper -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:05:08 PM)
quote: The official explanation to outsourcing offered by the politicians (of both sides with very few exceptions) is that it benefits both sides. Associated to outsourcing net job losses are due to the laziness of American workers to learn and adapt in new competitive environment. This is what Clinton/Gore told Americans; the same with G.W. Bush. Obama, of course, have no glue about the issue as usual. Can you please provide verifiable sites for these claims. I seriously doubt a missed a single nationally aired speech from either president, And I am sure neither uttered such an explanation. Source your claims please.

SternSkipper -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:15:18 PM)
Outsourcing benefits only those who benefit from a corporation's bottom line. IE - Shareholders and Executives reaping benefits from cutting labor costs. There is no qualitative benefit. Take for instance the technical support business. CONSISTENTLY Indian and Southeast Asian Support groups get an performance metric is approximately half of what it is in the US. They churn out the calls with fewer solutions actually provided. There is currently a small movement within the IT business (completely unofficial of course, but driven by word of mouth)... Corporate IT people DEMANDING American personnel on the call. Anyone who doesn't is lengthening their TTR big time. Because the outsource engineers don't care. They have their own little bureaucracy in which they make sure tickets close and everyone covers each other's ass.

erieangel -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:25:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl How many jobs bills did Republicans write to end tax breaks for outsourcing and provide incentives to bring jobs back to the US? the short answer would be: NONE The Republicans campaigned on 2010 on jobs but as soon as they got into office, they started with their agenda of ending medicare and other social safety nets, cutting funding to public schools, gutting the EPA, ending gov't support of public broadcasting, and giving their corporate masters further tax cuts. (I am not suggesting the Democrats don't have corporate masters, but they tend to try to find solutions their masters can live with while also helping the poor and middle class)

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:32:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper Outsourcing benefits only those who benefit from a corporation's bottom line. IE - Shareholders and Executives reaping benefits from cutting labor costs. There is no qualitative benefit. Take for instance the technical support business. CONSISTENTLY Indian and Southeast Asian Support groups get an performance metric is approximately half of what it is in the US. They churn out the calls with fewer solutions actually provided. There is currently a small movement within the IT business (completely unofficial of course, but driven by word of mouth)... Corporate IT people DEMANDING American personnel on the call. Anyone who doesn't is lengthening their TTR big time. Because the outsource engineers don't care. They have their own little bureaucracy in which they make sure tickets close and everyone covers each other's ass. Ridiculous post. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You said this: "Outsourcing benefits only those who benefit from a corporation's bottom line. IE - Shareholders and Executives reaping benefits from cutting labor costs." You could not be more wrong. Outsourcing benefits the shareholder and the executives, that is true. But it also benefits the consumer, the people that load the ships, the harbor pilots, the ship's crew, the country that charges the tariff, truckers, warehousemen, customs inspectors and many, many more people. What you so utterly and clearly fail to grasp is that all of those people, whether Americans or nationals of a foreign country get paid because of the outsourcing. Isn't that true? Of course it is. What you also fail to grasp is that even with all of those extra people getting paid that arguably wouldn't be in the loop if the product was manufactured here, it is STILL MORE PROFITABLE TO OUTSOURCE. Got it? Do you understand? Because outsourcing is profitable....people outsource. The liberal morons of this country and this board feel that if laws were passed outlawing outsourcing that all of our problems would be solved and we would have no jobs. This, of course, is the problem with liberals; their inability to think critically. If we prohibited outsourcing and everything about this country stayed the same (onerous regulations, rapacious and corrupt unions, excessive corporate taxes, etc.), our products would simply become less competitive and those companies would go out of business anyway. It is really that fucking simple. You want to end outsourcing? Make doing business in the United States more attractive....period. That is your answer.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:38:08 PM)
That's what I see as well, but I'm giving Republicans a chance to defend themselves if their leaders did write such a bill and I haven't heard about it. If the answer really is none, that would mean Republican leaders are traitors.

Marini -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:51:42 PM)
Unbriddled outsourcing has just about ruined what USED to be a very great country. Are you fucking kidding us here? We are not in the damn Matrix here, we are awake! In honor of the 4th of July, I will post a few of my favorite outsourcing threads by Norma Sheery!! **************HAPPY 4th everyone!!!!!**************** Bye Bye Ms American Pie Sing this to the 70s song by Don McLean,,,Bye Bye Ms American Pie Jobs Jobs Everywhere and Not a Job to be Found A Letter To the American Worker

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 10:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Unbriddled outsourcing has put a serious dent and almost ruined what USED to be a very great country. Are you fucking kidding us here? LOL HAHAHAHA In honor of the 4th of July, I will post a few of my favorite outsourcing threads by Norma Sheery!! HAPPY 4th everyone!!!!! Bye Bye Ms American Pie Sing this to the 70s song by Don McLean Oh look!!! Another person that doesn't know what they are talking about! Hi Marini. Let me ask you a question. Did corporations outsource BECAUSE IT CAUSED THEM TO LOSE MONEY??? Genius... They outsourced because they increased profitability. You want to make it less profitable to outsource? Make it cheaper to do business in the United States. Only a fucking idiot would think that you can attract business by making your business climate expensive and a regulatory cluster fuck. Geniuses like you want to tell a business "Fuck you, you will do business here and like it." And then you want to tax them to death, try to block right to work laws, try to block laws prohibiting collective bargaining for benefits, tell them they can't do business because it might threaten the arachnoid flatulenta and every other fucking predatory impediment you can do to a business....that is why business is leaving and rightfully so.

Marini -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:02:43 PM)
Unbridled outsourcing has been going on at least for 30 years. Whatever the reason/reasons, there are few jobs, and this country is going to support those that can't work or find jobs, one way or another. [;)] You can bet your last money on that, and as President Obama states, CHANGE is on the way for this country. Very, very big changes down the road, it may take a few years, but CHANGE will be coming. lol Happy 4th of July!!

defiantbadgirl -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:03:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway The liberal morons of this country and this board feel that if laws were passed outlawing outsourcing that all of our problems would be solved and we would have no jobs. This, of course, is the problem with liberals; their inability to think critically. If we prohibited outsourcing and everything about this country stayed the same (onerous regulations, rapacious and corrupt unions, excessive corporate taxes, etc.), our products would simply became less competitive and those companies would go out of business anyway. It is really that fucking simple. The United States was once a rich nation with a strong economy and middle class. We achieved that by manufacturing our own goods. We got there by standing on our own. Did you know that before outsourcing, most American families were easily supported on one income? Why weren't companies going out of business then?

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:11:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Unbridled outsourcing has been going on at least for 30 years. Whatever the reason/reasons, there are few jobs, and this country is going to support those that can't work or find jobs, one way or another. You can bet your last money on that, and as President Obama states, CHANGE is on the way for this country. Very, very big changes down the road. lol Happy 4th of July!! Very good Marini, I agree with you completely with your last post. Except that outsourcing has been a problem for the past 20 years not so much the past 30. But here is where you have some really fucking wonderful O'cocksucker change coming. O'scumbag wants to increase payroll taxes from 8% to 13%. Tell me, Marini, what do you think is going to happen? I think if he manages that he is going to do four things: 1) he is going to cause a spike in unemployment because people are going to get fired so employers can reduce their tax liability; 2) smaller employers are going to pay their workers under the table; 3) when employers pay employees under the table, the government takes in less revenue, and 4) all of those consequences will cause a free fall in the stock market. But wait...there's more. He is also calling for higher taxes and liberal fools may think that he is only going to tax the rich but there aren't enough rich people to accomplish a meaningful change so ALL tax brackets will rise. More unemployment. More people relocating to Mexico, Costa Rica and Dominican Republic, all three of which have seen a large migration of Americans....Oooooopss....I forgot...Panama too. But wait, there's more. O'shit-4-brains also wants to end the mortgage interest deduction. That is going to cause new housing starts to fall through the mother fucking floor. Contractors out of work, their employees out of work, retail stores closing, people who harvest the material...lumber and gypsum and millions of other things...out of work, the people that haul it out of work, the people that turn the raw material into finished products out of work. Yeah baby...I have got some fucking change for you. And I think it is going to be great.

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:15:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway The liberal morons of this country and this board feel that if laws were passed outlawing outsourcing that all of our problems would be solved and we would have no jobs. This, of course, is the problem with liberals; their inability to think critically. If we prohibited outsourcing and everything about this country stayed the same (onerous regulations, rapacious and corrupt unions, excessive corporate taxes, etc.), our products would simply became less competitive and those companies would go out of business anyway. It is really that fucking simple. The United States was once a rich nation with a strong economy and middle class. We achieved that by manufacturing our own goods. We got there by standing on our own. Did you know that before outsourcing, most American families were easily supported on one income? Why weren't companies going out of business then? Defiant...American automobiles in the 1970's and 1980's were the biggest pieces of shit on the road. Chrysler had to be bailed out by the Federal Government in the early 80's. We had a dozen independent automobile manufactures going into to the 1960's and by the time the mid 70's rolled around, we were down to 3. Take a ride out to Bethlehem, Pa and Allentown, Pa, both of which are, essentially ghost towns. Drive through Detroit and Gary and take a hard look at those cities. TONS OF BUSINESSES WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.

Marini -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:18:56 PM)
Capitalism/Socialism 50/50 blend, or some similiar mix is inevitable, its just a matter of time. I have no idea HOW the United States will end up, but Capitalism in its present form is not going to last,and will not be sustainable. Unbridled corporate greed is going to be the catalyst that produces the changes, that are coming our way. Its a pity though, it could have worked, but unbridled corporate greed, and policies such as unbridled outsourcing have pretty much fucked this country up. I seriously doubt the United States will survive much longer in its current Capitalistic state, at the least Capitalism as we know it is going to change. You connect the dots.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:31:34 PM)
Lockedaway, there's a good documentary that explains what is causing the decline of the US economy. The documentary compares our past economy to our current economy. It explains what happened to businesses in the 70's and 80's and why it happened. The name of the documentary is Capitalism: A Love Story

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:37:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Capitalism/Socialism 50/50 blend, or some similiar mix is inevitable, its just a matter of time. I have no idea HOW the United States will end up, but Capitalism in its present form is not going to last,and will not be sustainable. Unbridled corporate greed is going to be the catalyst that produces the changes, that are coming our way. Its a pity though, it could have worked, but unbridled corporate greed, and policies such as unbridled outsourcing have pretty much fucked this country up. I seriously doubt the United States will survive much longer in its current Capitalistic state, at the least Capitalism as we know it is going to change. You connect the dots. No Marini...you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Capitalism works, it has always worked it always will work. It is the most natural system. People compete with each other and the better product wins. Does there need to be some regulation? Sure. But the bad products and the less productive producers get weeded out and that is how it should be. We already have socialism, Marini. Understand? We did Tarp and the Stimulus and the Omnibus to the Stimulus and then we did the QE 2. We pumped trillions of dollars into businesses and banks that were corrupt with the consent of our government and then they imploded. There was rampant fraud, Marini, but no one got prosecuted. Their government sanctioned corruption and gambling was "nationalized". Understand? We the people absorbed their losses and those corrupt executives left with millions in their pockets and started up new ventures. That is called socialism for the rich and super rich. We also have socialism for the poor....it is called welfare and HUD Housing and food stamps and medicare. People who do not pay any federal taxes, including 35 million illegal immigrants, get free education, police protection, fire protection, free medical, sanitation services, jail services, court services without paying one dime in federal taxes or into social security. So if you take the rich and the super rich out of the equation...that only accounts for about 10% of the population or LESS. Take out the retirees, those that are beneath the age of majority, those that are here illegally, those that are on welfare and those that earn so little that they don't pay federal taxes and there goes between 40-47% more of our population. What is left is a narrow little slice that makes the country run and that narrow slice has a form of capitalism and is taxed to death. Understand?

Marini -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:39:46 PM)
lol unbridled outsourcing? Good Capitalism in 2011 working? Good Future looks great? Good Has my mind changed? No Have a great holiday weekend! Peace

joether -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (6/30/2011 11:47:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But here is where you have some really fucking wonderful O'cocksucker change coming. O'scumbag wants to increase payroll taxes from 8% to 13%. Tell me, Marini, what do you think is going to happen? I think if he manages that he is going to do four things: 1) he is going to cause a spike in unemployment because people are going to get fired so employers can reduce their tax liability; 2) smaller employers are going to pay their workers under the table; 3) when employers pay employees under the table, the government takes in less revenue, and 4) all of those consequences will cause a free fall in the stock market. That paragraphy really shows how little you understand the situation the nation is faced with, and what one, of a variety of different ways, the President could handle the problem. But, you seem to think that the President has a 'one track mind' like yourself, and can not 'think outside the box'. You really think, you have it all figured out. And that it'll play out exactly as you predict. Could you tell me what your economic and financial credidentals are? How many Ph.D.s do you hold? Are you a CPA and/or CFP? quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But wait...there's more. He is also calling for higher taxes and liberal fools may think that he is only going to tax the rich but there aren't enough rich people to accomplish a meaningful change so ALL tax brackets will rise. More unemployment. More people relocating to Mexico, Costa Rica and Dominican Republic, all three of which have seen a large migration of Americans....Oooooopss....I forgot...Panama too. With the elimination of the 'Bush era tax cuts', the gain from taxes, from JUST the upper 2% of income earners, would be about $700-900 Billion/year. Closing many of the loopholes, would create an additional $80-170 Billion in revenue. Cus, you know, its just not 'fair' that GE who made $5.3 Billion paid LESS in taxes, than I did with my pokey salary (<$70K/year). The taxes on those tax brackets BELOW the top two, wouldn't see much of a change (the 3rd from the top would be minor at best). So, the conservative figure from both figures gives $780 Billion/year. That drops the deficit in half. Combine that with some spending cuts, and could cut the deficit by another $100-200 Billion. After all, last I checked the HISTORY books, it was a REPUBLICAN President and REPUBLICAN Congress, that created the financial situation of BOTH the US Deficit and US Debt in the first place. Under the Clinton Administration, we had a US Budget Surplus and the US Debt (at the time $2 Trillion) was on the way down. Funny that you dont blame Republicans for even an ounce of all the problems they created (like paying for Iraq on borrowed money...); but yet, heap hundreds of tons of blame on President Obama for the economy he inherited from the previous owner. I think he's been doing a pretty good job, given the situtation he was handed in 2008. Not to mention the 'Party of No' working against him at every tiny little thing, and a swarm of clueless idiots that watch the likes of 'FOX News' without every questioning what they are seeing/listening to. quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But wait, there's more. O'shit-4-brains also wants to end the mortgage interest deduction. That is going to cause new housing starts to fall through the mother fucking floor. Contractors out of work, their employees out of work, retail stores closing, people who harvest the material...lumber and gypsum and millions of other things...out of work, the people that haul it out of work, the people that turn the raw material into finished products out of work. Yeah, because the CURRENT housing market has more supply than demand. The idea is to drive up demand against supply on the current housing market, and THAN, loosen the reigns on new housing market a short time later. That way, both markets create a stable growth period that's good for America. Or have you neverly really driven through the Mid-West towns and taken note of all the boarded up houses and businesses that exist there? Believe it or not, all those folks that you believed (with your pathetic fearmongering skills) would be out of work, would very much be working. Homes need renovations and some people can and will pay for professional services. There are some issues in which the home owner needs the professional's touch for matters of permits or insurance (or simply access to machinery and tools). And as the new market restrictions are loosen, those same folks will have more work waiting for them. Since by than, companies will also be hiring additional workers to handle the increase volume of activity, its safe to say, that too, is a good thing for America. quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Yeah baby...I have got some fucking change for you. And I think it is going to be great. Keep your coins, your already a 'few cents short of a dollar'. That, is what we call in the business psychology world a 'deficit' of the mind.

lockedaway -> RE: republican anti-outsourcing jobs bills (7/1/2011 12:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But here is where you have some really fucking wonderful O'cocksucker change coming. O'scumbag wants to increase payroll taxes from 8% to 13%. Tell me, Marini, what do you think is going to happen? I think if he manages that he is going to do four things: 1) he is going to cause a spike in unemployment because people are going to get fired so employers can reduce their tax liability; 2) smaller employers are going to pay their workers under the table; 3) when employers pay employees under the table, the government takes in less revenue, and 4) all of those consequences will cause a free fall in the stock market. That paragraphy really shows how little you understand the situation the nation is faced with, and what one, of a variety of different ways, the President could handle the problem. But, you seem to think that the President has a 'one track mind' like yourself, and can not 'think outside the box'. You really think, you have it all figured out. And that it'll play out exactly as you predict. Could you tell me what your economic and financial credidentals are? How many Ph.D.s do you hold? Are you a CPA and/or CFP? quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But wait...there's more. He is also calling for higher taxes and liberal fools may think that he is only going to tax the rich but there aren't enough rich people to accomplish a meaningful change so ALL tax brackets will rise. More unemployment. More people relocating to Mexico, Costa Rica and Dominican Republic, all three of which have seen a large migration of Americans....Oooooopss....I forgot...Panama too. With the elimination of the 'Bush era tax cuts', the gain from taxes, from JUST the upper 2% of income earners, would be about $700-900 Billion/year. Closing many of the loopholes, would create an additional $80-170 Billion in revenue. Cus, you know, its just not 'fair' that GE who made $5.3 Billion paid LESS in taxes, than I did with my pokey salary (<$70K/year). The taxes on those tax brackets BELOW the top two, wouldn't see much of a change (the 3rd from the top would be minor at best). So, the conservative figure from both figures gives $780 Billion/year. That drops the deficit in half. Combine that with some spending cuts, and could cut the deficit by another $100-200 Billion. After all, last I checked the HISTORY books, it was a REPUBLICAN President and REPUBLICAN Congress, that created the financial situation of BOTH the US Deficit and US Debt in the first place. Under the Clinton Administration, we had a US Budget Surplus and the US Debt (at the time $2 Trillion) was on the way down. Funny that you dont blame Republicans for even an ounce of all the problems they created (like paying for Iraq on borrowed money...); but yet, heap hundreds of tons of blame on President Obama for the economy he inherited from the previous owner. I think he's been doing a pretty good job, given the situtation he was handed in 2008. Not to mention the 'Party of No' working against him at every tiny little thing, and a swarm of clueless idiots that watch the likes of 'FOX News' without every questioning what they are seeing/listening to. quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway But wait, there's more. O'shit-4-brains also wants to end the mortgage interest deduction. That is going to cause new housing starts to fall through the mother fucking floor. Contractors out of work, their employees out of work, retail stores closing, people who harvest the material...lumber and gypsum and millions of other things...out of work, the people that haul it out of work, the people that turn the raw material into finished products out of work. Yeah, because the CURRENT housing market has more supply than demand. The idea is to drive up demand against supply on the current housing market, and THAN, loosen the reigns on new housing market a short time later. That way, both markets create a stable growth period that's good for America. Or have you neverly really driven through the Mid-West towns and taken note of all the boarded up houses and businesses that exist there? Believe it or not, all those folks that you believed (with your pathetic fearmongering skills) would be out of work, would very much be working. Homes need renovations and some people can and will pay for professional services. There are some issues in which the home owner needs the professional's touch for matters of permits or insurance (or simply access to machinery and tools). And as the new market restrictions are loosen, those same folks will have more work waiting for them. Since by than, companies will also be hiring additional workers to handle the increase volume of activity, its safe to say, that too, is a good thing for America. quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Yeah baby...I have got some fucking change for you. And I think it is going to be great. Keep your coins, your already a 'few cents short of a dollar'. That, is what we call in the business psychology world a 'deficit' of the mind. Wow Joe, you really don't know SHIT. What loopholes would you like closed, genius? Care to name a few? Since the revamp of the tax code under Reagan wiped out almost ALL tax shelters and loopholes, perhaps you would like to tell me which loopholes you would like to see ended now. Your post was one of the MOST stupid I have read so far. Tell me, genius, what do you think the result will be when payroll taxes go up from 8% to 13%? Go on...answer the question. Do you think it is going to result in a wave of employment? What you said about taxing the rich and raising 900 billion dollars...show me where you get that information. Tell me, genius, a man gets taxed 35% on the federal level, he gets taxed 9% on the state level, he pays property taxes and tolls and professional license fees, etc. By the end of the day, he has chits against his salary that amount to 50% and more for some people? Do you think that is fair? If you do, you must be one of the losers that can't support himself. Here is more stupidity from you; "Yeah, because the CURRENT housing market has more supply than demand. The idea is to drive up demand against supply on the current housing market, and THAN, loosen the reigns on new housing market a short time late." How the fuck do you drive up demand by increasing taxes????? Fuck...you are DUMB. How do you drive up demand by wiping out one of the only and biggest deductions that an average family has; the mortgage interest deduction? Goddamn, son, you shouldn't be on this board at all. In so many of your posts, you prove again and again that you don't know shit from shinola. If you think taxation is an incentive to growth, you are congenitally stupid.

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