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tazzygirl -> Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 9:09:46 AM)

I had to use that line... too funny!

Anyways...

Bristol Palin told Fox News her mother has made up her mind about running for president, but Sarah Palin told The New York Times she's still thinking about it.

According to the conventional wisdom, it may be too late for her to run. Ms. Palin's done no fundraising, hasn't built a campaign team. Republicans who supported her are drifting to active campaigns, chiefly that of Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

The conventional wisdom is more conventional than wise. Candidates start early to build name recognition and need a campaign organization to get supporters to the polls.

Sarah Palin has 3.2 million followers on Facebook -- about 800,000 more than all the declared GOP candidates combined. Palinistas tend to be the sort who would crawl over ground glass to vote for her. She has less need of a get-out-the-vote operation than any political figure in modern times.

The Republican National Committee's new rules favor late entrants. There will be more delegates in 2012 than ever before. A higher proportion will come from heavily Republican states. All but a handful will be selected after March 1. In the four February contests, 129 delegates are at stake -- 23 fewer than in Texas alone.

Delegates in the early states must be selected by proportional representation, the RNC says. So whoever wins these contests probably will wind up with fewer than half. After March 1, delegates may be selected on a winner-take-all basis.

The early contests are unlikely to produce a clear frontrunner, but will winnow the field. This is most important for debates. It's stretching the term when seven or eight candidates are on stage. Cut the field to three or four, and debates have real meaning.

Debates will matter more in 2012 than ever before -- especially for Sarah Palin. Thanks to nonstop denigration from the news media and Hollywood celebrities, she polls worse against President Barack Obama than any other GOP candidate. A CBS poll June 8 indicated 54 percent of Republicans don't want her to run.

A new documentary, "The Undefeated," opens with a montage of vicious things celebrities have said about Ms. Palin. Viewers at the premier in Pella, Iowa, Tuesday were shocked.

But efforts to portray Ms. Palin as a shrill, stupid snowbilly backfired on the journalists who sought the release of 24,000 emails from her time as Alaska governor. The emails "brought back the memory of a long-lost Palin: the popular, charismatic competent woman of the people," who "comes across as practical and not doctrinaire," and who is "far from being a knee-jerk partisan," wrote Molly Ball in Politico.

Liberals hope their sliming of her will keep Ms. Palin from running. But it may be the most important reason why she should.

Prominent journalists already are trying to do to Ms. Bachmann what they did to Ms. Palin in 2008. Her 23 foster children will be investigated, declared George Stephanopoulos of ABC. Chris Wallace of Fox News asked her if she were a flake. Michael Isikoff of NBC reported Ms. Bachmann's husband, who runs a mental health clinic, received $137,000 in reimbursements for Medicaid patients he has treated. (There was no impropriety, but liberals consider this scandalous because Ms. Bachmann thinks the federal government spends too much money and supports Medicaid reform.)

Many "mainstream" journalists have abandoned all pretense of fairness, but still expect to be treated as if they were honest brokers. Most Republicans oblige them.

Sarah Palin doesn't. She uses social media to bypass news media "gatekeepers." That's one reason so many journalists hate her. They seethe even more because Ms. Palin uses their obsession with her to make them look ridiculous, as she did during her bus vacation in the Northeast last month.

If one of Ms. Bachmann's foster kids failed to pay a parking ticket, this will be reported as "news." And if no improprieties can be found, journalists like Mr. Isikoff will make much ado about nothing. They'll do this to whoever is the Republican nominee.

But her critics have shot their bolt where Sarah Palin is concerned. They've already said every bad thing they could say about her.

"The Undefeated," strives to set the record straight. The people in Pella who saw it liked it very much. But most Americans won't see it.

Which is why debates will be so important if Ms. Palin runs. In them, she'll either conform to the caricature of her -- or demolish it.




Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11184/1157616-373-0.stm#ixzz1R3jHQl00





FirmhandKY -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 9:29:27 AM)

Pretty good article, tazzy.  It sounds about right, in most places.

Firm




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 9:53:34 AM)

Read my lips: Shes not running.




SternSkipper -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 9:56:25 AM)

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Liberals hope their sliming of her will keep Ms. Palin from running. But it may be the most important reason why she should.


The article, while being well written for it's audience and clearly not designed to be an unbiased piece (And speaking fairly, I'm not saying they make that claim or are deceiving anyone by doing so... the pittsburg post plays to a select audience), but the article veers into a big ditch when they talk about liberals wanting to "keep Ms. Palin from running". I can't speak for registered democrats, but would throw money down in betting I am right about them... But I am sure that whether you're a registered democrat (of any stripe) or a liberal- moderate independent who's smart enough to steer clear of the Tea Party's presentation, the ACTUAL HOPE IS THAT SHE DOES RUN. She's unelectable, and I'd even expand that hope to her including Michele Bachmann (shit ... imagine the cat fight over who wears the strap-on in that political pairing).
But alas, it won't happen. The GOP won't let either of them anywhere near the nomination, except in the midst of some kind of hangover fog someone might accidentally fall prey to a focus group nit-wit do a John McCain and call Bachmann to offer her the running mate position.
  I'm sorry, I just can't believe 2012 could possibly be that much fun.





SternSkipper -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 10:02:17 AM)

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Read my lips: Shes not running.


I bet when you eat something with a lot of habinieros in it and then doze off you occasionally get JOLTED back to reality by a nightmare in which she's accepting the nomination.[:D]





tazzygirl -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 10:59:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Read my lips: Shes not running.


I dont believe anyone said she was running, willbe.




tazzygirl -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:00:58 AM)

According to the man, the writer considers Limbaugh to be a socialist.




Sanity -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:03:01 AM)


My favorite line, in part because Ive made the exact same observation myself

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If one of Ms. Bachmann's foster kids failed to pay a parking ticket, this will be reported as "news." And if no improprieties can be found, journalists like Mr. Isikoff will make much ado about nothing. They'll do this to whoever is the Republican nominee.




Musicmystery -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:07:12 AM)

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Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska


Then we get to bring this back?

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

[If you're new to it....move the mouse around and click on things.]




tazzygirl -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:07:35 AM)

And yet, to people like me, Sanity, it doesnt matter if one of her kids got a parking ticket. SHE isnt her kids... nor are they her.

The uproar over Palin and Bristol had nothing to do with the fact that her daughter got pregnant. Happens to many girls every day regardless of the family they come from. The uproar had to do with Palin telling the nation abortions are bad, then thanking god her daughter didnt choose one.




joether -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:18:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And yet, to people like me, Sanity, it doesnt matter if one of her kids got a parking ticket. SHE isnt her kids... nor are they her.

The uproar over Palin and Bristol had nothing to do with the fact that her daughter got pregnant. Happens to many girls every day regardless of the family they come from. The uproar had to do with Palin telling the nation abortions are bad, then thanking god her daughter didnt choose one.


No, actually it had to do with Palin trying to pass her family off as 'wholesome', 'Christian-like', and 'none-liberal'. She basically said, no child of hers would never get pregnant before being married. And what does her eldest daughter do? Yeah, that undermined her credibility. Likewise the whole 'non-liberal' ironically translates into: 'without freedom'. So in some of the conservatives I've chatted with over the months, she really screwed her reliability for public office.





SternSkipper -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:21:41 AM)

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According to the man, the writer considers Limbaugh to be a socialist.


I won't take it out till I hear a right wing journalist call him a 'homo-junkie'

Watch your screen when it gets that far Baby[:D]




SternSkipper -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:24:10 AM)

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I dont believe anyone said she was running, willbe.


But some of us DO get a warm glow at the prospect.
Cause while I think she's an ignorant ex-barbie-skank, I think Tina Fey is REALLY HOT




SternSkipper -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:27:48 AM)

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And yet, to people like me, Sanity, it doesnt matter if one of her kids got a parking ticket. SHE isnt her kids... nor are they her.


I TOTALLY AGREE, her kids actually bring her back a little from the brink of shipwreck. Because most of us think "god, her poor kids" when she WHORES them into the line of fire.
   I have never seen a person who leaks more of her own personal garbage in hopes of looking like a victim.





Sanity -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:30:36 AM)


To me the point of your article is more that Conservative candidates face a media that is comprised of obsessed stalkers, while Liberal candidates get rubber-stamped by an adoring media.

Any hint of hypocrisy on Sarah Palins part gets hammered day and night for weeks while Obamas hypocrisy gets glossed over, and anyone noticing it becomes the subject of the worst kind of ad hominem attacks imaginable

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet, to people like me, Sanity, it doesnt matter if one of her kids got a parking ticket. SHE isnt her kids... nor are they her.

The uproar over Palin and Bristol had nothing to do with the fact that her daughter got pregnant. Happens to many girls every day regardless of the family they come from. The uproar had to do with Palin telling the nation abortions are bad, then thanking god her daughter didnt choose one.




domiguy -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:31:47 AM)

That is what is great about the Republican Hypocrisy....Touting family valueswhile fucking and getting fucked by anything that moves.

Go! Family values, Go!!!

Pres Obama cannot be beat.




SlavesNotToys -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:46:41 AM)

You know, I read these little things, occasionally, wherein it is speculated as to why the media, and others, are so very vitriolic when it comes to Sarah Palin, and, it amuses me, greatly - in a way that makes me want to kick people in the head and start a revolution. Fortunately, I am not political and I will not do so.

Sarah Palin is not Alaskan. She was not born in Alaska, and, she spent the majority of her life living a very civil, as in citified, existence. Who says so? Alaskans. The ones who know by what criteria someone is, and is not, considered to be Alaskan. This is separate from what the Federal Government says, true; but, since the Federal Government is, also, not Alaskan, no one much cares for their opinion on the subject.

However, the media thinks she is Alaskan and the media is, whether it admits it or not, highly influenced by the government. Why do you think the few despicably honest reporters suddenly retired or died, when the whole sham election, 911, etal happened and we all moved ever so much closer to living in a Facist, Neo Nazi state of existence?
The American government never liked Alaska and never had any attention of making it a State. It only made it a territory with the intention of strip mining it, clear cutting the timber, and, tossing it back in the ocean, as it were. In other words, it was purchased as that worthless piece of land which could be used for its resources, without thought to the consequences to the environment or the people who lived there.

The only reason Alaskans voted to become a State was that it was the only form of protection they could get from the American government, who spent its time trying to force them to remain a territory, so that it could steal their resources and oppress them. This is not the first State in the Union this has happened to. If you don't believe that, read the history of Texas, sometime! The only reason the American government ended up accepting Alaska as a State is that the Governor of Hawaii, who had no interest in Hawaii being a State, and, the Governor of Alaska, made a pact between them that Hawaii would only become a State if Alaska were made a State first.

This is why Alaskans love Hawaii, why it is their first and best destination for vacations. There are places that are cheaper to go, easier to get to, but, none who have gone so far as to sacrifice their freedom to protect the innocent from the depredations of a corrupt government.

One of the reasons that the Feds hate Alaska so very well is that, despite rumors, there are no Reservations there. Alaskans could have put the Natives in Reservations, and, it would have gone much better for the rest of the citizens of Alaska if they had. Yet, they refused to. They refused to believe that the color of someone's skin or what sort of house they lived in was any sort of proof of inability to live in America and thrive, so, rather than oppress the Alaskan Natives and force them to live on Reservations, they helped them start their own Corporations, learn to run them, and, made an agreement with them as to what lands the Natives would keep and what lands could be used by everyone as citizens of Alaska, the State of America. In other words, Alaska did what America should have done to start with, when they became a country. It left a stench in the nostrils of those who like to believe that the American Indians were treated in the only logical way, at the time.

The American government, even after Alaska became a State, made laws to prohibit Alaskans from governing themselves, and, would not allow the criminal prosecution of those politicians the Americans appointed to run the State, even when they stole millions of dollars from the people. That was the plan - to bankrupt the State and force it back to being a territory, because, ladies and germs, that is what they can do with States, if the States are not capable of caring for themselves.

They also made laws that it was illegal for anyone to hire an Alaskan for any job that anyone from any other State wanted. First, the employer would have to advertise in the Lower 48, rejecting Alaskans, and, they would have to accept anyone who was remotely qualified. Then, they would advertise and allow Alaskans to apply, if they still had not filled the position, but, still only in the Lower 48. Then, they could advertise (once they laws were relaxed) within the State of Alaska, but, preference had to be given to non-citizens, even if the non-citizens could not do the work. This is how Alaska became filled with doctors, lawyers, nurses, judges, police men, etc. who were unfit for their position where they were, due to sexual misconduct, violence, thievery, etc. and how so many ex-felons ended up there.

The American soldiers went on maneuvers, wherein they were encouraged to shoot people's dogs and shoot at the children in the yards. They were told that Alaskans were not real Americans, but, only people who were forcing themselves onto the American people, and, therefore did not have the same rights as American citizens. In fact, the only reason things got better, in that regard, was that there were many foreigners working in Alaska, at the Air Force and Army Bases, who were so shocked by the treatment of all Alaskan people that they actually helped petition the United Nations for relief for Alaska, to have it declared as its own third world country, to be protected from America .The Alaskan National Guard, when ordered to attack the protesters and treat them as guerrilla soldiers, pointed out that they were ALASKAN National Guard and took the side of the people, rather than the government. This all embarrassed the American government to the point that they started to treat Alaskans almost like human beings.

In the 1980's there was actually a vote taken to make Alaska the nuclear waste dumping grounds for the United States of America and it came terribly close to being passed. They already use it, unofficially, in that capacity, which is why so many native people are born deformed. It is passed off as alcoholism and the problems thereof, but, the people of Alaska know about the nuclear waste being dumped out on Native lands.

In other words, the reason why the media is in such a frenzy over Sarah Palin is that she is one of those uppity, not quite real Americans, who should know better than to raise her gaze and look you real Americans in the eye, much less have the temerity to run for office.

But, as I said, she is not Alaskan. She did not grow up with this same horrible violence and oppression, as she grew up in Alaskan cities, with other Americans who think they are Alaskans, and, who have no idea of the horror endured by the rest of them. She didn't know she shouldn't expect to be treated like an American citizen. She thought that if she ran for office, they would look at her merits, not her supposed place of origin; she thought that if someone burned her in effigy, it would be considered just as much of a crime as if they did it to some other candidate. She didn't know.

If she had talked to the fire fighters, who go out in response to natural disasters, who are treated like crap the whole time by American fire fighters, and, ignored by the media while fake heroes who allegedly did the work, instead, were paraded around, because the American government would rather lie to its people than admit that anything about an Alaskan could be an asset, she would have known, though.

The fact that she did not know, that she was not forewarned and ready for the battle, is one of the biggest reasons she is not an Alaskan.

Do not write to me about this, and, do not expect a response. I was born and raised there, lived there most of my life. I know the truth and I don't care what you think, or, what misinformation you have been fed, that you feel the need to share with me, on any subjects I have brought up, by the way.

Just saying, it's not all as cut and dried as you think.




domiguy -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:50:53 AM)

I didn't read it...You look kinda crazy.




xBullx -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 11:55:24 AM)


I like the Snowbilly term, funny stuff, but frankly I just don't think I could stand to sit through an entire State of the Union address if she were to be the one to give it.

For me her voice encites that fingernails on the chalkboard effect.

Other than that, I suggest you set down your cool-aid drink mix DG. Bush could certainly be labelled as a fuck up in some ways, but your shining star isn't any better, and most likely he's worse.

I sure hope someone, no matter their party steps up to give the correct answers to the questions that plague us. So far they're all just paying lip service with talking points they hope distract us long enough for them to sneak a bit more change out of our pockets.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Don't count out the snowbilly from Alaska (7/3/2011 12:11:40 PM)

Oh yeah, snowbilly is hilarious. I guess snownigger was taken, so they went with the one type of folks that everyone seems to still see it as being ok to diss.

Im crackin up here I tell ya!




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