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NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 12:49:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I need a few motherboards. Now in the past I liked to build everything from scratch, but that has changed. Various issues over the years like ATI runs better with AMD while Geforce this and the stupidity of Soundblasters, all kinds of compatibility shit, I now prefer onboard video and audio. In fact I would rather damnear everything be onboard as long as I got the driver disk.

I must have absolutely 100% full duplex sound. I also may want to add an additional soundcard, to possibly record more than two audio channels simultateously, like with Adobe Audition. Not sure it can do it, but I think so. I need to explore that program a bit more to find out all it can do, I've only had it for a few months.

Video is not so critical. If I go past 1152 resolution I can't see shit unless it's on a 30" screen, but speed is a good thing to have along with good rendering and support for all the video formats out there. I want two dual channel IDEs and at least four SATA ports. Half dozen USBs should not be a problem these days, but I would like to still have the PS/2 ports just to keep the USBs freed up in case shit.....

I don't really need a 96 ficking core processor, but enough to run most later browsers would be nice, especially when I decide to run ten of them at once, be on Paltalk and download on P2P at the same time. And it is to run 24/7/365. It will have a password protected screensaver, but it will continue to act as a server in that mode, even though nobody can do shit with it at the same time.

Now above all I want longevity. I'll take the cheapest processor that'll run it for now, but I want upgradability. I also want reliability, and that is the key thing. I mean I want shit like the government uses or something. The longest lasting board I can get. Even if something else is a bit better in some respects I do not want to spend the money again. Like in town here, they'll give you free paint for your house. Fuck them. I want bridge paint. It costs money to have a house painted and I'll be damned if I'll pay that again. I'll pay the fucking hundred bucks a gallon for the best Pratt and Lambert available.

In my experience I have become partial to Asus, and some Acers are impressive. Intel boards are soso, PCHIPS and others are junk, or they were. My latest Foxconn turned into shit in two years. Biostar seemed alright but I only used one so I simply don't have enough data.

In fact I don't have enough data anyway. Things change. I used to love Sony video products, they turned to shit. Marantz and Sansui amps used to be the shit, now they are shit. Pioneer does not even exist as far as I am concerned. Without the WINDOW FAN on my Pioneer it would burn up in a New York minute. Compare that to an SX-1980. You could run a fucking washing machine off the speaker outputs of those.

So I admit that my conception of these boards may be outdated. If I upgrade, well actually I have no choice because I am faced with two bad mobos in the family right now, I am going to do it right. And I am talking buying like three of them.

I want the most reliable and long lasting motherfuckers on the planet. Performance is important but actually secondary.

They MUST be able to run XP. I don't have all day to say why. If that limits upgradability so be it. If XP can't use a 56 core processor or something, I don't need that processor. I am not giving up ANY MORE FUNCTIONALITY in the OS for ME. (self, NOT Millenium)

I don't need to run AutoCAD and CAM. I don't need to run PROMISE, or whatever the new incarnation of that might be. Graphics is cool, but not my main concern. If anything in the multimedia realm is, it is sound. I need the best in low distortion both coming and going. I need good microphone inputs. I would like more than one pair of analog line level inputs if possible. I need the best in dynamic range (or S/N ratio). This is because I want to be able to post mix music.

The only reason I now prefer onboard audio is because that lets someone else deal with any compatibility problems. I don't want this "this card doesn't work well with your chipset" bullshit. At least in the old days it could be dealt with, even if it meant changing IRQs and shit with jumpers. Nowadays when shit doesn't want to work together it REALLY doesn't want to work together. Someone has already tried to fix the problem and failed. Fuck all that.

So whaddya got in mind ? Remember the reliability, I do not want to do this again for a long time. In fact ever.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 5:59:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious as well, I'm in the market for a new motherboard too - I too value reliability over power, although I tend to burn out power supplies faster than motherboards.

I like to pack as much primary memory on 'em as they can hold too, I see a lot of newer OEM MB's with 6g, but I think I've seen a couple with a Terrabyte.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 6:03:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I must have been dreaming about that Terrabyte, I think 6g is average for new boxes, and I'm guessing that's max without getting into a mainframe.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 6:12:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Win 7 Home Basic can support up to 8GB, Home premium, 16 (Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate, 192!)

I'm guessing 16GB in one box would be pushing it, probably have to be a full Tower.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 6:20:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got another problem which is finding a copy of NT - I have a legacy 11x17 laser printer, but the only driver I can find is NT - with a legacy box, I could economically print a fanzine or something on that.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 6:37:43 AM   
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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 9:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not going to give exact motherboard recommendations, because well, I only have recently purchased one motherboard.

However, If I were buy a computer today I'd buy one of these chips.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103872 3 core, if you want to save a little more cash.. 74.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871 4 core @ 3 Ghz 99.99 (I'd probably buy this if I was going just for basic use, it's got more than enough to run a browser,lol).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849 6 core @ 3.2 GHz 179.99 and an additional 15 off today with promo code EMCKCKJ26 (ends today). That is probably what I'd get for myself if I was ordering today. My processor is the same only it runs at 3.0 GHZ.

Then for the motherboard. You would get one of the newer AM3+ motherboards, because they will be compatible with the new AMD processors when they come out shortly, plus they are backward compatible with all the current AM3 processors that I listed above. The AM3+ chips will support initially anyway up to 8 core processors, which will keep you going for years.

You can go to newegg, http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=22&name=AMD-Motherboards then select AM3+ on the side, then select on board video, then select the number of SATA ports you want, And I'd select 4 memory slots if I were buying.

Then you will probably need to buy another power supply, depending upon how old the one you have is.

Then you will need ram, here you will need to make a decision as to whether you want to buy the faster ram now, and it just goes to waste until you upgrade to the future processor (RUNS SLOWER THAN IT COULD), or you can buy the cheaper variety, and it will work even if you upgrade your CPU later but will simply run slightly slower. Anyway, I'd personally buy 2 sticks of 4 GBs of DDR3 1333 Giving you 8 GBS total ram with two upgrade slots for later. (NOTE, if you are using a 32 bit OS, then you can only use 4 GB's, so if that is your xp version, and you don't plan on moving in the near term to 64 bit OS, then you might as well get 2 sticks of 2 GB's, because that is the most you will be using anyway, I'd recommend a 64 bit OS though, as 4 GB, is okay for now, but not forever).

Things to note, when selecting a motherboard, some newer boards don't come with IDE slots on the board anymore, and only have SATA, so if you are planning on using an older hard drive EIDE, or reusing an older DVD Drive, then you will need to check that.

Nearly ever motherboard comes with at least good audio anymore, so, I don't think that should be a problem for you, but you can read the manual before you buy, Newegg, generally provides a link to the manual or manufacturers website on the product page, that will also specify the power supply requirements for you, additionally it will show you on that site current CPU's known to be supported though the list is generally incomplete, plus on the manufacturers website they will generally provide you with "recommended" ram modules tested to work with the motherboard, again, it is an incomplete list, and really in my experience, any general class of memory will work as long as it's the current type, like ddr3 1333 memory for the desktop, make sure you don't order laptop memory.

Thanks.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 9:27:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		How is this "NOT a Computer Problem"?

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 11:32:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Firm, I am online. Two of my PCs run just fine. The other one decided to start working again but it's quirky, so all I use it for is to run the sound system. It's not a problem, really. But it is time to get some better stuff. The box I'm on now runs great. The laptop is fine, though I can't stand Vista.

I haven't built a PC from the ground up in quite a few years so I am not up on the sockets and types of RAM. The point here is to get some advice on what to buy, not to fix any problems. If my shit quits, I won't bother anyone about it.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 11:35:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I must have been dreaming about that Terrabyte,"

I kinda figured that. Like a mental typo.......

But since I intend to flog XP for as long as possible, it looks like 4 GB of RAM will do. When XP just doesn't do it anymore, I hope 7 is not like Vista.

ETA, I have a copy of 2000 Pro but I lost the key code. Would that printer run in that maybe ? (must remember to keep my disks more organized) Also thee's an old box at work running NT 4.0 Workstation with SP 6. Want I should see what they'll take for it ? But then there are no disks. The only one I know personally who could come up with a copy of NT is going to be gone for a long time. Have you tinkered with the compatibility modes in XP ?

T^T

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 11:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Believe it or not I haven't seen the BSOD in a very long time. But if I'm not mistaken, doesn't that program just mask the BSOD ? I could be wrong but I know there was a program that would let you choose the color, but it would still be the SOD.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 12:03:53 PM   
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Exact enough in a way. :-) I see an ASRock, an MSI and an Asus. I've never used an ASRock and have not heard much about them. My major concerns are reliability and stability. I've heard mostly good about MSI, and I think I may have used one, but I can't remember for sure. Asus I've heard very good things and even though one of the motherboards to be replaced is an Asus, it's on the old side. It was really state of the art when I built it, but let's put it this way, at that time it was ready for the yet to be introduced Prescott processor. It doesn't even need SP1, but most of the apps need SP2. The drivers and all that do not. So I really can't bitch about the reliability.

This time around IDE is a must. About 50% of the 360GB of data I lost is on IDE drives in a drawer. And that's where they will live for a long time. I'll hook them up and copy them but then they go back on ice, so to speak. If there is a next time to upgrade, I'll just have to make sure all my data get transferred to a SATA. The best DVD burner I have is not dual layer, so saving it is not critical. The IDE is more important to me for the purpose of backup and transferring data from the old drives.

I will look further into those links at the newegg site. The only thing that bothers me is the short warranties. The lower prices don't help when I have to replace it again and deal with all the drivers and crap like that. If I am going to deal with that again, I would rather get paid. Not have to do it for myself.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 12:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Believe it or not I haven't seen the BSOD in a very long time. But if I'm not mistaken, doesn't that program just mask the BSOD ? I could be wrong but I know there was a program that would let you choose the color, but it would still be the SOD.

T^T


I know. Just my little jokeypoos. I've got people all breathlessly excited in the past with that one.

I downloaded it myself, once, when I had a pooter that was giving me BSODs at least twice a day. Changed them to a very tasteful and calming Lilac Screen of Death.

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 12:20:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like blue. In fact I chose my TV many years ago based on the fact that it had a better (purer) blue. A Sony XBR projo. A blue above all other blues ! And when the optics are clean you would almost think it's high def. Built in 1989. hasn't been even plugged for the last few years. It's primary function is to collect dust in the basement. When I get old I will probably go down there, hook it up and watch my beta tapes. It really is much better than VHS.

Now back to the regularly scheduled millenium. (NOT Windows ME, damn, I think my left nut shrunk just thining about that OS)

T^T

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 8:08:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"I must have been dreaming about that Terrabyte,"

I kinda figured that. Like a mental typo.......

But since I intend to flog XP for as long as possible, it looks like 4 GB of RAM will do. When XP just doesn't do it anymore, I hope 7 is not like Vista.

ETA, I have a copy of 2000 Pro but I lost the key code. Would that printer run in that maybe ? (must remember to keep my disks more organized) Also thee's an old box at work running NT 4.0 Workstation with SP 6. Want I should see what they'll take for it ? But then there are no disks. The only one I know personally who could come up with a copy of NT is going to be gone for a long time. Have you tinkered with the compatibility modes in XP ?

T^T
I'll have to look for that driver again, I was still running Win 98 at the time I was messing with it, and it's still on that hard drive, that box crashed and burned, I think it was probably the power supply, but I found an XP box literally in the trash like a week later, so I haven't messed with it since.



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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 8:22:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Firm, I am online. Two of my PCs run just fine. The other one decided to start working again but it's quirky, so all I use it for is to run the sound system. It's not a problem, really. But it is time to get some better stuff. The box I'm on now runs great. The laptop is fine, though I can't stand Vista.

I haven't built a PC from the ground up in quite a few years so I am not up on the sockets and types of RAM. The point here is to get some advice on what to buy, not to fix any problems. If my shit quits, I won't bother anyone about it.

Ok, you want to build one.

What's your price range, and what do you want it capable of doing?

Firm


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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 8:31:37 PM   
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Take a look at this one.

I'm not fond of Intel but this board is a retail setup I believe and it runs upto 32gb of memory. (Hubba)


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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/4/2011 9:02:18 PM   
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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/5/2011 12:12:45 AM   
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Nice but I don't need it THAT fancy, plus no IDE.

vidi non emptor

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RE: NOT a computer problem - 7/5/2011 12:13:59 AM   
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Can I get that feature on a keyboard ?

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