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US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners for ... - 7/4/2011 5:06:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners for extradition Britons could face charges for breaking US copyrights even if they have no link to America and servers are based elsewhere

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/03/us-anti-piracy-extradition-prosecution


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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/4/2011 6:08:04 PM   
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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 5:53:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It'll be interesting to see if they can really prosecute the link providers. The drug analogy provided in the article is weak, at best. If there's a stolen sofa sitting on the side of the road and I didn't steal it but I tell you about it so that you can go pick it up what law have I broken?


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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 6:16:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Huh?  The resources required to extradite someone who is not in violation of his own country's laws for IP violations is ridiculous.  For very minor stuff.

The RIAA and related groups are out of hand and need to be smacked down.


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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 7:17:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		unfortunately the US has been increasingly crossing borders to extradite so called "criminals", they have done this several times going after internet pot seed sellers from Canada. Marc Emery who is a vocal Canadian pot activist and pot seed seller was put on the US top 10 most dangerous list (wtf?), he was extradited from Canada and he is in a US jail now serving 5 years. And thanks to the fucking Liberal party/govt a few years ago, the US suceeded in getting Canada to change its extradition laws to make that easier for the US. That is one reason why I am very happy to see the Liberal Party of Canada go down the drain in the last election.

Anyone that makes the mistake of being one the US govt has their sites on is toast.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 9:42:52 AM   
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Huh?  The resources required to extradite someone who is not in violation of his own country's laws for IP violations is ridiculous.  For very minor stuff.

The RIAA and related groups are out of hand and need to be smacked down.



No question.

Sadly one of Bush's poodle's last acts before Broon took over as PM was forcing a unilateral extradition agreement through parliament. The upshot of that ridiculous piece of shit is that your government can ask ours to hand over anybody they fancy trying without offering anything in return.

Possibly Blair was expecting it'd just be used to acquire custody of the Abu Hamza's of the world, but any extradition over copyright issues is still going to be vastly easier than it should be as a result of his groundwork.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 11:08:00 AM   
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I wonder if next they'll try to enforce USC2257 worldwide. They enacted that and most of the porn sites in this country disappeared. Some went to offshore hosting.

Everyone said I was full of shit when I said the lines on a map do not necessarily constitute jurisdictional limits. Common law was bullshit until the Kevorkian trial. Yup, all bullshit. What say now ?

However with my unique brand of "faith" in human nature, I think the problem will be solved. Just like people who can anonymize CID, and the phreakers before them, ways will be found to hide these servers. There are already email anonymizers, how much more will it take to thwart this ? People will find a way.

Like the P2P issue. They went after the software providers and forced them to cripple the code. However anyone with the old software can still use it. What's next, making the older versions illegal ? That would be a retroactive law one would think. But that just doesn't matter anymore.

Entertainment is really big business in the US, among the biggest when it comes to private enterprise. They have lots of money for lobbyists. Who sued Sony for inventing the VCR ? Who made it so that DVD players have regions ? Who made it damnear illegal to resell tickets to sporting events, concerts and the like ?

In the brave new world one must be careful. If they can get someone overseas for US law, what about if I break German anti-denier laws while in the US. Will they come for me ? Maybe not right now, but give it some time. Some people probably wish that I would be silenced, so they might have some gloat time. But that's OK because after you rejoice when they come for me, eventually they will come for you. How about those who are openly gay versus laws against homosexuality in certain countries ? Or are they only going to enforce CERTAIN laws ? Probably, there is already alot of that going around.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 11:40:59 AM   
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Huh?  The resources required to extradite someone who is not in violation of his own country's laws for IP violations is ridiculous.  For very minor stuff.

The RIAA and related groups are out of hand and need to be smacked down.



No question.

Sadly one of Bush's poodle's last acts before Broon took over as PM was forcing a unilateral extradition agreement through parliament. The upshot of that ridiculous piece of shit is that your government can ask ours to hand over anybody they fancy trying without offering anything in return.

Possibly Blair was expecting it'd just be used to acquire custody of the Abu Hamza's of the world, but any extradition over copyright issues is still going to be vastly easier than it should be as a result of his groundwork.


Not according to links in the OP. Reading them, it seems to me UK Judges have already refused a request on this issue.

"If it's an offence under UK law, then it has to be prosecuted and tested under UK law," said James Firth of the Open Digital Policy Organisation thinktank. "If there is no offence under UK law, then there is no 'victim' to copyright infringement and no case for extradition."

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 11:46:52 AM   
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They certainly do not have the power they wish they had

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 12:42:57 PM   
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The RIAA and related groups are out of hand and need to be smacked down.

So stop buying books, movies, music, and going to the movies on Friday. Consumer boycotts on Fridays.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 12:52:26 PM   
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Not according to links in the OP. Reading them, it seems to me UK Judges have already refused a request on this issue.

"If it's an offence under UK law, then it has to be prosecuted and tested under UK law," said James Firth of the Open Digital Policy Organisation thinktank. "If there is no offence under UK law, then there is no 'victim' to copyright infringement and no case for extradition."

Well, the US is relentless when they have a target. If they fail with this attempt then they will try other things. They will lobby the UK to change their extradition laws there to suit the US, if that fails then they will watch this student and if he leaves the UK they will attempt to have him arrested and extradited from whatever countries he travels to. The US still is after Bobby Fischer, after all these decades, and they almost got him not long ago. The US govt is like an octopus with its tentacles stretching around the world.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 1:03:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Huh?  The resources required to extradite someone who is not in violation of his own country's laws for IP violations is ridiculous.  For very minor stuff.

The RIAA and related groups are out of hand and need to be smacked down.



No question.

Sadly one of Bush's poodle's last acts before Broon took over as PM was forcing a unilateral extradition agreement through parliament. The upshot of that ridiculous piece of shit is that your government can ask ours to hand over anybody they fancy trying without offering anything in return.

Possibly Blair was expecting it'd just be used to acquire custody of the Abu Hamza's of the world, but any extradition over copyright issues is still going to be vastly easier than it should be as a result of his groundwork.


Not according to links in the OP. Reading them, it seems to me UK Judges have already refused a request on this issue.

"If it's an offence under UK law, then it has to be prosecuted and tested under UK law," said James Firth of the Open Digital Policy Organisation thinktank. "If there is no offence under UK law, then there is no 'victim' to copyright infringement and no case for extradition."

Yep, but is that going to be the last word on this? I doubt it.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 1:07:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The US still is after Bobby Fischer,"

Do you realize that I DO NOT find that hard to believe even though he died in 2008 ? What a criminal, know what he did ? He played chess in Yugoslavia ! Off with his head !

And death is no excuse !

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 1:31:52 PM   
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"The US still is after Bobby Fischer,"

Do you realize that I DO NOT find that hard to believe even though he died in 2008 ? What a criminal, know what he did ? He played chess in Yugoslavia ! Off with his head !

And death is no excuse !

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ok, I stand corrected. I dont know how time flies so fast cuz it seems like it wasnt 2004 when they tried that! Guess I am not very good with dates, huh? I didnt know he died tho.
He was 60 years old at that time and it didnt matter the offense, they still wanted him, they watched, waited, then pounced. Lucky for him that they failed.
I am sure there are a lot of other examples tho, of the US govt doing that same thing to other less famous people. And now its easier for them with the watch lists that they have access to.

I have heard that the IRS now watches who comes into the US to catch Americans that have been living abroad but never filed US tax returns as they are legally required to...

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 3:13:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		"ok, I stand corrected."

Could that be because Bobby isn't newsworthy because of circumstances ? Up until a few years ago I never even knew he split from the country. One of our world champions abandons the country and that's not news ? OK, I got it.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 3:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So stop buying books, movies, music, and going to the movies on Friday."

Did that. In fact I stopped going to movies on Friday, sometime in the 1980s.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 6:36:38 PM   
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"ok, I stand corrected."

Could that be because Bobby isn't newsworthy because of circumstances ? Up until a few years ago I never even knew he split from the country. One of our world champions abandons the country and that's not news ? OK, I got it.

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Well, I cant say how newsworthy he was, as I dont watch the news and really, I am out of the loop on a lot cuz of that. But I am sure he split right after his famous chess match cuz the US had been after him forever and they were pretty ticked that he played chess when he wasnt suppose to and when it was a crime. And I think, from what I recall, he had been living off the money he made way back when so I think he kept a fairly low profile. Also, I dont see much news from other countries shown on American tv/news so that could be another reason, the producers of news on tv/print tend to decide for the public what is news and what isnt.... sort of like an adult deciding for a child what they eat for dinner..

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 6:54:20 PM   
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"So stop buying books, movies, music, and going to the movies on Friday."

Did that. In fact I stopped going to movies on Friday, sometime in the 1980s.

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A movie cost $1-$3 then.    Now look at it.

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RE: US anti-piracy body targets foreign website owners ... - 7/5/2011 8:45:45 PM   
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Then in the 1990s I knew a video store owner. I had a special rate. Nothing a day until he needed it back. He would call sometime on a Friday night and I would have to return a tape. Yes a tape, not a DVD. I still know him, but he got out of the business.

I was nunting down something else in my basement the other day and ran across my old beta tapes. Man when I can rip video I will be the youtube star of all time. I have more than one latge box of them. Copyguard ? Never bothered me beta :-)

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