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Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/16/2006 6:50:19 PM   
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 We are now in an era where billions and billions of dollars are spent every year on the “adult entertainment” business. Conventional thinking/talking points of the detractors make this seem like it is a few old guys in raincoats that are supporting this industry. Nothing could be further from the truth. Corporate America and nations abroad are the ones that are truly raking in the money. Photographers, camera and film manufacturers, models and agencies, are making profits. Telecommunication industries, internet service providers, computer manufacturers are reaping huge benefits. The parent companies that own these know full well where their profits are coming from. Satellite and cable companies that provide pay per view or premium programming will not open their books to their profit margins as they wish to be politically correct and maintain the aura of providing a service for the “few” select clients that purchase these services. While the digital and online age has certainly cut into profits of magazine sales, there is still an enormous amount of money being made by these sales. Even the most conservative areas will usually have a variety of adult magazines for sale in front of and behind the counters at convenience stores. Large chain bookstores as well sell “softer core” adult material. Many “Mom and Pop” video rentals have the “back room” for adult videos and DVD rentals and sales. A little known fact is that the reason that VHS won out over Beta is due to the porn industry. Many advances in image technology was to the credit of people wanting to be able to view their collection of naked person more clearly, faster and in greater detail.
Recent estimates from the department of commerce and various independent studies conclude the annual income from the “porn” industry to be between 12 and 20 billion dollars for the U.S alone. Of course the difference in the numbers depends on whose particular agenda paid for the study. My opinion on this is that you could take the highest of the numbers, and double it. It is no secret that many persons may not report all their income to the IRS. Shocking, I know. My point being that with the Internet alone, you could have a million private citizens producing adult related material form the privacy of their homes. It only takes a few moments to put up a webpage and offer a product. A couple hundred bucks will buy you software that enables anyone to design a basic website. Through these people offer movies, photos, books, fetish devices, lingerie, (some new, some used). Realistically there is no end to the amount of money that can be made from adult related material. The fact that it now in the U.S alone already surpassed that of all major sports entertainment, and may well surpass the entire operating budgets of some third world countries speaks for itself.
The corporate income is very hard to ascertain for several reasons. One is they don’t exactly have an open book policy. Not only do they wish to hide the true numbers from any potential competitor, but they as well allude to it being a small percent of their quarterly reportable income. In part this is to stave off those that would hope to hold them accountable for “corrupting” the youth of America and the world. Obviously the parents and mainstream media have already done a fine job of this. But I digress.
The point is this. Most “blue haired” fiscal conservative bible thumping, male dominating, (and acquiescent wife or female) social moderate to scary conservative, religious right, moral majority, labia minority (ooops, wrong chapter, lol) wing nut is making a heap-o-cash from porn, known or unbeknownst to them. With the leveraged buyouts, forced takeovers, conjoining and cohabitating of so many large corporations, nobody knows who the fuck owns what anymore. A conglomerate with the parent company being a bastion of old time big business, who ranks high on any trading index, usually owns a subsidiary that owns some business that is in one way or the other making major bank off porn. Estimates that the main telephone companies are in excess of one billion annually are probably understated. Cable television and satellite companies make huge profits off pay per view and monthly subscriptions to adult movies and channels. Any provider for DSL and Broadband is making many, many millions (or billions) due to the main reason that a private individual using their service is to be able to download the highest quality pornographic images, at the fastest rate. I mean come on and get real, what other reason would a home PC owner want “zippity” fast service for. To send “juniors” birthday photos to Grandma? She can wait that extra minute if it would save the sender about $40 a month. The real reason is to send “Granny’s” nude picture to some guy named “Junior” with the greatest of expediency before he “wads” up the keyboard. On another note, would someone please invent a new type of “screen saver”? Maybe a protective coating like “Sperm-Guard 2000” with anti coagulating additives. I can see the late night TV commercials now. “Get your all new Sperm-Guard 2000 package with the 17 inch monitor windshield wipers for only $19.95. And if you order within the next 10 minutes, we will include ABSOLUTELY FREE, our brand new “Wank-Shroud Keyboard protector for those much hated “short shots”. Operators are standing by. Rush orders are available and we do offer discounts for “bulk” orders. (No online orders please).
Anyhow back to my point (and yes there was one) I am not willing to name specific company names and their fiscal numbers as I have no desire to get sued. (Yea go Al Franklin. Fair and Balance THIS you greedy pathetic petty media corporate legal department bastards). However, a wealth of information pertaining to individual companies profits via online porn, pre-paid satellite and cable porn, telecommunications (how can we forget the 976 number profit margins) and on and on ad nausea, are available through your local friendly broker or in online documented reports.
So, “Biff and Marge’s” (you know from the “burbs”) retirement accounts that they are enjoying in Florida were substantially enlarged by various adult entertainment business profits shoveled into their “legitimate” company holdings, and they know it so they need to lose the pious and pompous attitude. Besides, if you think about it, the largest segment of the population with expendable income IS the retiree and “boomer” generation (a sellout, now over thirty something, pro-establishment, hypocritical lot if I have ever seen one) and ironically this is also the alleged base of the so called and self titled delusional “moral impurity, err sorry majority". I hate to be so judgmental and harsh (NOT) but am sick of the televangelist, politician, “pillar of the community” types getting a free pass while the women they are “schleboinking” are getting a bad rap. That reminds me, if a long penis is called a “schlong,” than is the shorter more compact version called a “schlort”? The point being that the men are viewed as “studly” with a slight character, marital, honor flaw, while the women are viewed and portrayed in the media as a bunch of “Non stationary home dwelling, hussified ho bags with elevated and voluminous hair and big old ghetto booties. Ok, I'm off to take my meds now, lol.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/16/2006 10:47:13 PM   
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Imagine my shock at your indignity toward those who speak out against an industry that you support, run and profit from. Let me put on my shock face.

People make money off of porn. Some people are against porn. So? I mean, what is the point you are trying to make or are you merely trying to take a pot shot at those that seek to shut people like yourself down?

I don't understand your issue.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/16/2006 11:54:27 PM   
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Imagine my shock at your indignity toward those who speak out against an industry that you support, run and profit from. Let me put on my shock face.
People make money off of porn. Some people are against porn. So? I mean, what is the point you are trying to make or are you merely trying to take a pot shot at those that seek to shut people like yourself down?
I don't understand your issue.
  

Ahh, an attempt at a witty reply, lol.
You support and run the adult industy as well my good man. You are after all on this site which is adult entertainment and is for profit. 
The point that may have eluded you is that the very same people that may say they despise "porn" make money from it through their investments and most either know this or prefer not to think about it. But either way they are cashing in on it and have no desire to see those gains come to an end.
There is no one trying to "shut me down" per se as I have no more to do with the "porn" industry as does most anyone else.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 12:12:55 AM   
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Ummmm, so your point is companies make money off of porn. And since alot of people own company stock, they profit from porn, and thus should respect porn. Well, if that's the standard, we should also respect child labor, unhealthy work conditions, illegal immigration, etc.... Companies do all kinds of the things the casual investor in a 401k doesn't know about. Maybe, if people knew they would pull there money out of companies involved in porn or the the multitude of worse things companies do. It's just a fact that most people have no idea what companies there money is invested in.  Anyway, that's the only point I was able to collect from your statement. Other than


You say the only reason to have a high speed internet connection is for porn. Hmmmm, I have a symmetrical 6 megabits up and down uncapped connection that at night can reach over  10 megabits when network traffic is low. There are plenty of reasons to want/need such a connection

1. Is internet gaming, huge market here. The problem with dial up is latency, which is the time it takes for your data to get to the game server. Dial up is very slow and poor connection in this regard. A DSL, Cable, or my case a direct ethernet to fiber connection, has much lower latency. Which translates into, all the Multiplayer games run smoother, as in the data about the locations of the objects in the game is transmitted faster and more reliably, thus the game play is way better.

2. Anyone, participating in filesharing. I'd say this is the number one reason people get high speed. And most isn't for porn but the new blockbuster movie, or songs. On filesharing sites, Apps, Movies,Documentaries, Tv shows, music, outnumber porn by leaps and bounds. Well, it'd take about a week to download a movie over dial up. I can download a full length movie in about 20 minutes if the server or other clients have enough bandwidth for me. Generally less than a hour restricted by others slower connections. Though my personal usage of the internet for this means has dwindled to near nothing even less so for porn, I do use it still to download 24, or random documentaries. LOL. Basicly stuff you could watch with an antannae for free. But I never catch anything when it's on. LOL. Like try watching that Loose Change documentary from another thread on  dial up.  It's free on google, but it wouldn't be worth the time it took on dial up.

3. I use my connection for business as well, as I have to transfer largish files like installation files, updates, software, large batches of pictures and communicate with our remote database. Dial up would make this painful to say the least. This is the primary reason I have high speed.

There are other reasons I'm sure, but porn, isn't the major factor for alot of people. My sister for example got highspeed so she could play everquest better. She might peek at porn for all I know, but that connection is 90% EverQuest.

Naw, porn is cheap and plentiful, and how many pornos does one need to download. 1, 3, 10, 50. I went through my porno phase, but one pussy looks like any number of other pussies. Only so many types of Tits and things you can do to the owner. So, it's not a unique product, that needs constantly refreshing. Maybe others are more porn hungry than I am though.

I think you are probably correct in terms of the new highspeed user, but like anything with time, people tend to get bored with it.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 12:22:02 AM   
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You support and run the adult industy as well my good man. You are after all on this site which is adult entertainment and is for profit. 



hmmm, so you include hook up sites as adult entertainment. That's stretching a bit. They do have adverts that are pornographic but not everyone clicks them. For example they make absolutely zero off of me. Just curious is match.com or vanilla hook up sites adult entertainment as well as I think your defininition of adult entertainment may be different than mine.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:07:42 AM   
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The point that may have eluded you is that the very same people that may say they despise "porn" make money from it through their investments and most either know this or prefer not to think about it. But either way they are cashing in on it and have no desire to see those gains come to an end.


It's kind of like eating poultry, beef or pork... people enjoy the meal but don't feel bad about the slaughter process that put the meat on the plate.

In the same respect, the business of killing indeed has many many players and supporters who do not wish for the business of killing to end. All of us leather wearing vermin, all of us meat eating animalistic civilized openminded savages... we all support killing of critters. All those money grubbing bastards at the TV, Radio and Satellite networks, and now even including broadband internet based video companies (not to mention print ad creeps) have the fooking gaul to cash-in on hunger (or the perception thereof) and they too all support killing, and imagine that... them fookers actually charge money to show those Mickey D's and KFC commercials of little innocent angelic kids chomping on a cheesboigee or a drumstick.... total bliss and innocence, unaware of all the killing.... the killing.... the killing..... redrum.... redrum.... redrum...

I got your point of the irony (insert Marlon Brando quotes from Apocalypse Now), and tend to agree it is ironic, but in the same token, it (the irony) is not limited by any stretch of the imagination to the subject of pornograhy.

Wonder if the critters think we are pornographic or just that we seem to try to eat each other an awful lot... cannibalistic, lol?

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 10:03:48 AM   
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I fully support the adult entertainment industry. A good investment would be buy stock directly from the companies if you could afford it. Virgin, Playboy, Hustler, etc. Huge money makers. Not only for movies but for other productlines such as toys, clothing, vehicle accessories and on and on and on.

One of the the  Adult Film compnaies in Vancouver was looking for an office administrator a couple years ago. The wage they were offering was great. Had i lived in Van i would have definately applied.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 11:14:42 AM   
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Ahh, an attempt at a witty reply, lol.


Not really. If I intend to be witty it will be fairly clear. My reply was suited to state that you profit from the porn industry and you are calling those that indirectly or unknowingly make money off of it are hypocrites if they are against porn. As someone pointed out quite clearly there is no difference in supporting killing animals for food. We buy the products but don't really think about where they come from.

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You support and run the adult industy as well my good man. You are after all on this site which is adult entertainment and is for profit. 


I do no such thing. By being here on a free site that is offered by someone to a community of like minded individuals does, in no way, means that I support pornography. The simple fact is that although they have ads on the site I would have to actually go to those sites and buy something to have me support them. I don't go to sites like that often, if at all, and I never buy things like that.

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The point that may have eluded you is that the very same people that may say they despise "porn" make money from it through their investments and most either know this or prefer not to think about it. But either way they are cashing in on it and have no desire to see those gains come to an end.


Ever go to a dollar store? Most of those products are made in China. Do a little research on labor practices in China and then come back to me and tell me that you don't mind saving a buck or two on a product that was made by mistreated, basically slave labor. Gee... no one wants to stop making money? Wow... what a revelation.

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There is no one trying to "shut me down" per se as I have no more to do with the "porn" industry as does most anyone else.


You have got to be kidding me. True that there might not be anyone directly trying to shut you down, but there are people that want porn on the Internet ended. As for your involvement in the porn industry, you own, run and profit from a porn website. How does that possibly make you no more involved in the industry than I am?

The porn industry pays taxes. Taxes are used to build roads, fund schools, support government run programs for the poor and too many other things to possibly mention. So, by your logic the people that take advantage of those things support the porn industry. It is such a stretch that it is laughable.

You have an obvious bias and you have posted something that is inflammatory. Perhaps it is not inflammatory to people on this site, but I assure you there are some here that do not support porn.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 12:42:26 PM   
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You support and run the adult industy as well my good man. You are after all on this site which is adult entertainment and is for profit.


This site is not for profit.  The ads you see on the front page help to pay for the bandwidth.  Everyone involved in the site from the owners on down the line are volunteers...or maybe you missed those ads for more of them. 
 
I'm with Gauge...wondering why exactly you started this thread, cheap shots?  or just another place for someone to view your ad...

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 1:33:54 PM   
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Ever go to a dollar store? Most of those products are made in China. Do a little research on labor practices in China and then come back to me and tell me that you don't mind saving a buck or two on a product that was made by mistreated, basically slave labor. Gee... no one wants to stop making money? Wow... what a revelation.



Come on! The only reason people now worry about the conditions of Chinese labour is because China is undercutting the west. No one cared about the poor Chinese labour when they were dirt poor and only had grass soup to sustain themselves. They are richer now though, than they were before and true, they are going through the same shit western labour went through at the hands of capitalism.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 1:50:26 PM   
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Come on! The only reason people now worry about the conditions of Chinese labour is because China is undercutting the west. No one cared about the poor Chinese labour when they were dirt poor and only had grass soup to sustain themselves. They are richer now though, than they were before and true, they are going through the same shit western labour went through at the hands of capitalism.


Not to stray off topic, even though I am not sure what this topic is, but it doesn't matter the reasons why these things have come to light they are facts, are they not? Take any country that mistreats their labor force and you could plug them in also... China just happened to spring to mind.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 2:56:07 PM   
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This site is not for profit.  The ads you see on the front page help to pay for the bandwidth.  Everyone involved in the site from the owners on down the line are volunteers...or maybe you missed those ads for more of them.  
 
 This site makes a huge profit, regardless of what you might be told.
 
I'm with Gauge...wondering why exactly you started this thread, cheap shots?  or just another place for someone to view your ad...
 
 

Yes indeed, cheap shots, but at the hypocrites that denounce porn and then knowingly profit from it.  My ad? What about it?

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:10:41 PM   
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Not really. If I intend to be witty it will be fairly clear. My reply was suited to state that you profit from the porn industry and you are calling those that indirectly or unknowingly make money off of it are hypocrites if they are against porn. As someone pointed out quite clearly there is no difference in supporting killing animals for food. We buy the products but don't really think about where they come from.

 What? What does food have to do with anything I mentioned?

I do no such thing. By being here on a free site that is offered by someone to a community of like minded individuals does, in no way, means that I support pornography. The simple fact is that although they have ads on the site I would have to actually go to those sites and buy something to have me support them. I don't go to sites like that often, if at all, and I never buy things like that.

This site is one of the same ones that John Ashcroft/Alberto Gonzales and the fundies would call "obscene" and close down in a moment if they can. The fact that you act like you don't support "porn" shows you to be a fraud. Or are you now going to tell us you own no porn tapes/DVDs, never visit sites that hanve nudity and buy no mags with nudes?


Ever go to a dollar store? Most of those products are made in China. Do a little research on labor practices in China and then come back to me and tell me that you don't mind saving a buck or two on a product that was made by mistreated, basically slave labor. Gee... no one wants to stop making money? Wow... what a revelation.

Again. What the hell are you talking about? China, dollar stores? Or are you saying that the anti-pornocrites should have no qualms about making millions form porn, while denouncing it every Sunday after buying it on Saturday night?

You have got to be kidding me. True that there might not be anyone directly trying to shut you down, but there are people that want porn on the Internet ended. As for your involvement in the porn industry, you own, run and profit from a porn website. How does that possibly make you no more involved in the industry than I am? 

 I don't own a porn site. I own a couple sites that are informational, educational, artistic and are adult entertainment.

The porn industry pays taxes. Taxes are used to build roads, fund schools, support government run programs for the poor and too many other things to possibly mention. So, by your logic the people that take advantage of those things support the porn industry. It is such a stretch that it is laughable. 

Don't be idiotic and start putting words into my mouth that I never said. And you are seemingly not capable of grasping logic so dont try to assign it to someone else in false ways.


You have an obvious bias and you have posted something that is inflammatory. Perhaps it is not inflammatory to people on this site, but I assure you there are some here that do not support porn.
 

Inflammatory? Oh Good GOD call the police. This whole site is nothing but inflammatory articles and opinions. As are most newspapers, TV shows, News Programs, blogs etc. So is virtually everything in politics. Let me ask you a question. Where is it that people like you and DM come from? You seem to have such an odd and naive vision of the world and reality. Its like you may have read a "how to" book on everything from sex, politics, driving and are under the assumption that means you know what its about. You mostly seem to (as DM does and at least one Femdom, lol) do nothing but argue everything that others say and seem to view that as the highlight of your lives. Why? You may be better served joining a debate team that discusses things in theory rather than here in the real world where its reality. Have a nice time.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:11:02 PM   
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Yes indeed, cheap shots, but at the hypocrites that denounce porn and then knowingly profit from it.  My ad? What about it?


But you said that those that do not know it are also as guilty. And cheap shots are just that... cheap.

How is it that you cannot see that your ad is a flagrantly obvious testament to your interest in this topic? How is it that you do not answer questions directly?

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:20:53 PM   
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Yes indeed, cheap shots, but at the hypocrites that denounce porn and then knowingly profit from it.  My ad? What about it?


But you said that those that do not know it are also as guilty. And cheap shots are just that... cheap.

How is it that you cannot see that your ad is a flagrantly obvious testament to your interest in this topic? How is it that you do not answer questions directly?
 

How is it that you just repeat the same questions that I have already answered over and over and over?  My ad is an obvious testament to the fact that I like sex, I like kinky sex, and I try to enlighten and educate others that contrary to the brainwashing that they have been inundated with sex is not a bad thing. So what? What of it? Whats your point? I am happy and proud of what I do in all aspects of my life. If I didnt have an interest in sex I wouldnt be on this site and the same applies to you. Unless you are only here to argue and are a eunuch what else would you be doing here? Sex. Sex is one of the main things in most peoples lifes. Its right after food/water and shelter. So your point would be,,,,,,,

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:21:22 PM   
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This site is not for profit.  The ads you see on the front page help to pay for the bandwidth.  Everyone involved in the site from the owners on down the line are volunteers...or maybe you missed those ads for more of them.  
 
 This site makes a huge profit, regardless of what you might be told.
 
I'm with Gauge...wondering why exactly you started this thread, cheap shots?  or just another place for someone to view your ad...
 
 

Yes indeed, cheap shots, but at the hypocrites that denounce porn and then knowingly profit from it.  My ad? What about it?


When you have the profit and loss statements in hand, let me know.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:25:25 PM   
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This site makes a huge profit, regardless of what you might be told.

If only that were true.  We don't even come close to paying for the bandwidth used each month, much less make a profit.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:34:54 PM   
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If only that were true.  We don't even come close to paying for the bandwidth used each month, much less make a profit.

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My estimation is that this is the absolute truth, and I am not personally involved with this site in any way, shape or form other than using it to chat on.

There really aren't enough ads on this site to cover the bandwidth it has to be using.  Which worries me rather a lot.  Who is covering the difference, and why?  Will CM end up becoming a pay site like that other one that starts with a "b"?

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 3:49:48 PM   
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There really aren't enough ads on this site to cover the bandwidth it has to be using.  Which worries me rather a lot.  Who is covering the difference, and why?

The owners are lifestyle people and this site is how they choose to give back to the community.

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Will CM end up becoming a pay site like that other one that starts with a "b"?

There are no plans to charge any membership fees.

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RE: Adult Entertainment and Myth. - 5/17/2006 4:20:22 PM   
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