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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/5/2011 8:45:07 PM

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I wrote too fast. What I mean was that Republicans' effectiveness in implementing their goals makes it all the more important to weigh the merits of those goals. One example of such weighing is Zakaria's analysis, which concludes that Republican goals are not rooted in reality.

Well, first, I take exception that Republicans are less reality based than Democrats, and believe it is actually the other way around.

What the article you linked seems to be saying is that the Republicans have become more like the Democrats, and that is the root of our current national ills. Specifically, the things that "Republicans use to take into account" are .. the market, streamlined government and empowered individuals ...

All three of these things have take a beating in the popular media and more and more in our society, and the charge has been lead by either Democrats or leftist leaning members of our society.

This reduces the ability (and/or knowledge, desire) of the Republican Party to use these three aspects of society in order to keep the society balanced.

The TEA party movement is a reaction to this, and an attempt to return some of those values to the party, and the nation.

Whether or not they will be successful is doubtful in my mind, in the long run.

In other words, you seem to be blaming the Republicans for being what the left wants them to be, and calling them a "cult" because of it.

Doesn't seem there is any way to win, eh?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/5/2011 8:50:34 PM

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I agree that Republicans can be strikingly effective at getting what they want.

To me, that lends import to Fareed Zakaria's assertion that Republican goals have stopped being reality-based.

This.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/5/2011 8:55:00 PM

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I agree that Republicans can be strikingly effective at getting what they want.

To me, that lends import to Fareed Zakaria's assertion that Republican goals have stopped being reality-based.

This.

Answered directly above.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/5/2011 9:12:43 PM

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Yup,which GOP candidates did NOT sign Grover`s pledge of allegiance?
Firm?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/5/2011 9:51:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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I agree that Republicans can be strikingly effective at getting what they want.

To me, that lends import to Fareed Zakaria's assertion that Republican goals have stopped being reality-based.

This.

Answered directly above.

Firm

You didn`t answer me.

Hiding/running away,again?

Which GOP presidential candidates DID NOT sign a pledge of elegance to Grover?

Nowhere on the dem side do you see candidates kissing the ring of a shady DC lobbyist like this.

WTF does this guy Norquist think he is?

Who made made him pope of the grand oil party?

lol

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 5:50:10 AM

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I've heard the same thing about the Democratic Party.

Yet the Democrats have their pro-lifers, their Blue Dogs, their members who vote against the party line. What are the equivalents on the Republican side?

If I am reading the question right they would be pro-choicers, rinos and member who vote against the party line.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 7:42:53 AM

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The thing that shows me they (GOP) have lost touch.

Is simple, they want to end Social Security, Medicaid/care, education funding..have a balanced budget law...etc..

BUT when they controlled all 3 branches of our government, they did not pass one law making what they scream about law. WHY???

It's not like this is new to them...they scream about cutting this stuff every time the DEMS are in charge. But then when they are in charge we never see them act on doing any of this.

They could have ended Social Security when Bush was in office, did nothing. Could have cut medicare at the same time...did nothing...and now all they do is preach how the top 1% need even more $$$$$$ but the tax cuts have yet to create the jobs they have said they would since 2001

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 8:06:32 AM

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God and Grover Norquist

Aren't they one and the same as far as the GOP is concerned?

Lawrence O'Donnell often calls Norquist the 'most powerful man not living in the WH'.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 8:14:24 AM

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He`s one of the cult leaders.Shadowy,behind the scenes, pulling strings and affecting others from afar,letting his minions do his bidding.Sounds kinda cultish.

We aren`t imagining cult behavior or speculating on it.

We`re seeing in in action, in real time.

Firm still hasn`t answered.What a loyal "member" he is.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 10:37:11 AM

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Is simple, they want to end Social Security, Medicaid/care

bullshit

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 10:54:29 AM

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Righhhhht....con only wish to "privatize' them.

Let "the market" make our medical decisions.

"privatize" a con-job-con-code word for killing.

If the democrats and a few republicans hadn`t put the kibosh on "privatizing" SS juuuuuuust before the great bush recession,we would have lost billions of that money too, along with the other 17 trillion we lost.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 11:02:06 AM

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Firm still hasn`t answered.What a loyal "member" he is.

What question was that, Owner?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 11:32:20 AM

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Which GOP candidate has NOT signed the pledge of elegance to Grover

Isn`t strict conformity,unquestioned adherence and zero tolerance for moderation a cult-like quality?

What DC lobbyist is making democrats kiss their finger-ring this way?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 11:39:53 AM

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At least they've stopped rimming Limbaugh now they have this other lad to fawn on...

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 11:50:43 AM

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Grover Norquist's Anti-Tax Pledge Looms Large In Spending Showdown

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/grover-norquist-anti-tax-pledge_n_889414.html

Without a bipartisan agreement this summer to reduce the federal deficit and raise the debt limit, the economy could suffer a horrendous blow, leaders of both parties say. If that happens, some will point fingers at a bearded, slightly disheveled man who's barely known outside political circles in Washington.

For two decades, Grover Norquist has been the driving force in pushing the Republican Party toward an ever-more rigid position of opposing any tax increase, of any kind, at any time. He has been so successful that some GOP officials fear they've let Norquist squeeze them into a corner where they'll be unable to declare victory even if they win the great majority of their budget demands in negotiations with congressional Democrats and President Barack Obama."

Isn`t kowtowing to a single,un-elected,mostly un-known Svengali-like character such as Grover,a cultish behavior?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 12:39:57 PM

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Not if you're Firm, no.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 1:04:31 PM

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Is simple, they want to end Social Security, Medicaid/care

bullshit

Another thoughtful, well-written post Willbeur.

Where do you find the time?

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 1:05:32 PM

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Grover Norquist's Anti-Tax Pledge Looms Large In Spending Showdown

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Isn`t kowtowing to a single,un-elected,mostly un-known Svengali-like character such as Grover,a cultish behavior?

So, in your "lefty" world view, where principles are malleable and subjective, when someone with principles wishes to ask others who claim the same principles to be accountable ... that's evil?

Must be a sad place you guys live in.

Firm

edited: to correct spelling for rml, my friend and fellow smart-ass.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 1:15:12 PM

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Grover Norquist's Anti-Tax Pledge Looms Large In Spending Showdown

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Isn`t kowtowing to a single,un-elected,mostly un-known Svengali-like character such as Grover,a cultish behavior?

So, in your "lefty" world view, where principles are malleable and subjective, when someone with principles wishes to ask others who claim the same principles to be accountable ... that's evil?

Must be a said place you guys live in.

Firm

I don't know what a said place is, but I do know that when a person or group adopts a policy of refusing to compromise then there is little that will be accomplished.

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RE: Interesting Take on the GOP: It's a Cult - 7/6/2011 1:44:07 PM

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I take exception that Republicans are less reality based than Democrats

Firm, I think the GOP's emphasis on walking in lockstep contributes greatly to this perception. Talking points are adhered to rigorously, relentlessly...and not uncommonly, stupidly.

Yes, that can be contrasted with the Democrat's tendency to hold circular firing squads. I'm amazed they managed to agree enough to get ANY health care legislation through at all. They are slowly learning that in a power play, they need to pick a common position.

That that tight control is bursting out in Tea Party naivety and religious right extremists is an interesting result of that long-contained pressure. But that the new voices are naive and extreme does little to quell the appearance of an unrealistic grasp.

This is, after all, the party that went on a witch hunt to purge themselves of moderates. That leaves extremists.

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