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Iamsemisweet -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:07:51 PM)
Kakikshama, the protein has been primarily wild fish and some nuts. I have also been eating coconut milk, rather than dairy, nuts, and home grown vegetables. Oh, and some local pasture raised lamb. God, I am sitting here sweating right now. This sucks.

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:08:47 PM)
Thats what I thought. Vegetable proteins are better for you than meat, especially at our age group. Im sure you know the benefits of soy in your diet. Most asian women do not have hot flashes and it has alot to do with what they eat. If you drop the amount of meat from your diet, and increase it with fish and vegetable proteins, you may find those flashes will subside.

areallivehuman -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:15:55 PM)
You're sure it's diet related? Ever had your hormone levels tested? Might be good info to have, even if only to rule things out. Wheat allergies, celliac?(sp)

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:26:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats what I thought. Vegetable proteins are better for you than meat, especially at our age group. Im sure you know the benefits of soy in your diet. Most asian women do not have hot flashes and it has alot to do with what they eat. If you drop the amount of meat from your diet, and increase it with fish and vegetable proteins, you may find those flashes will subside. No vegetable proteins are not better, most are not even complete proteins and require the addition of essential amino acids.

LadyConstanze -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Just to clarify, I am NOT doing Atkins. I have just restricted my carbs to 100 grams a day. Since I was a heavy carb eater, this has significantly increased the amount of protein and fats I eat to reach my caloric goal. In general, I think it is working for me, but I really don't like the hot flashes. Thanks for the helpful suggestions, though, this has been useful. Have you tried out www.livestrong.com, I found it quite helpful when I gained a little bit over the winter due to a badly broken ankle with plenty of ligament damage, it's Lance Armstrong's site and really more on healthy and sustainable weight loss, no fad diets, no super quick weight loss, but it will also not mess your metabolism up and will indeed tell you if you need to eat more or else your body will go into starvation mode, or if you're having too much of one thing and you need more proteins or carbs. I never signed up for the paid service, the unpaid one works just fine. I log my food and my exercises and it just gave me a much healthier relationship with food, I tended to forget to eat especially when stressed or traveling, so something that has me logging food and reminding me to eat right is great. Or sometimes it might not even be a weight issue but I just don't feel as well if I don't eat right, so it's a pretty good reminder to have a balanced diet, you can basically tell the site how much you want to lose and it will give you a calorie plan that fits with your life style and if you burn more it updates it for you.

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 3:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats what I thought. Vegetable proteins are better for you than meat, especially at our age group. Im sure you know the benefits of soy in your diet. Most asian women do not have hot flashes and it has alot to do with what they eat. If you drop the amount of meat from your diet, and increase it with fish and vegetable proteins, you may find those flashes will subside. No vegetable proteins are not better, most are not even complete proteins and require the addition of essential amino acids. And you obtained your medical degree from where? Soy especially is well known for its ability to help with hot flashes. Add to that the fact that many asian women eat lots of tofu and fish and its no wonder why they rarely have any hot flashes.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:04:03 PM)
Thanks LadyC, I will try that. I have been using Fitday, but I don't like it that well. I will look at the livestrong site. Hopefully, they have an app too.

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:09:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats what I thought. Vegetable proteins are better for you than meat, especially at our age group. Im sure you know the benefits of soy in your diet. Most asian women do not have hot flashes and it has alot to do with what they eat. If you drop the amount of meat from your diet, and increase it with fish and vegetable proteins, you may find those flashes will subside. No vegetable proteins are not better, most are not even complete proteins and require the addition of essential amino acids. And you obtained your medical degree from where? Soy especially is well known for its ability to help with hot flashes. Add to that the fact that many asian women eat lots of tofu and fish and its no wonder why they rarely have any hot flashes. I have no medical degree, I have degrees in biology from Nottingham, Southbank and Goldsmiths Uni of London. Soy has benefits in the menopause and is the rare complete protein, however, most vegetable proteins are not full proteins and require amino acid supplementation. Soy does have some drawbacks, some people are sensitive to some of it's components at different dosages. It's also a mistake to attribute what works in terms of food for one racial group to another, as our bodies have different physiological triggers due to diversity and adaptation of intestines to diet. An extreme examples would be eskimo metabolism of white fat.

LadyConstanze -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Thanks LadyC, I will try that. I have been using Fitday, but I don't like it that well. I will look at the livestrong site. Hopefully, they have an app too. Takes a bit getting used to, but my other half swears on it (he's the one who got me on it), and considering that he lost almost 20 kilos, possibly more on fat as he's been building up more muscle without actually starving himself, just eating more sensibly and logging food and exercises. It also encourages you to do a bit more, even if it's just walking to a shop, and it takes away the "guilt" if you indulge, as you can simply decide to go for a long walk or hit the gym again to make up for it. No drastic changes that you can't maintain, easy to include in your life and will allow for going out and the occasional sin (so you don't deny yourself and then freak out and binge), it also makes you feel good about the whole thing and you actually feel your health improving.

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Thanks LadyC, I will try that. I have been using Fitday, but I don't like it that well. I will look at the livestrong site. Hopefully, they have an app too. Takes a bit getting used to, but my other half swears on it (he's the one who got me on it), and considering that he lost almost 20 kilos, possibly more on fat as he's been building up more muscle without actually starving himself, just eating more sensibly and logging food and exercises. It also encourages you to do a bit more, even if it's just walking to a shop, and it takes away the "guilt" if you indulge, as you can simply decide to go for a long walk or hit the gym again to make up for it. No drastic changes that you can't maintain, easy to include in your life and will allow for going out and the occasional sin (so you don't deny yourself and then freak out and binge), it also makes you feel good about the whole thing and you actually feel your health improving. A rare sensible thing you have said, Ms. Bingo.. The binge day promotes metabolism, it's actually good to once a week have one.

LadyConstanze -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave A rare sensible thing you have said, Ms. Bingo.. The binge day promotes metabolism, it's actually good to once a week have one. Hey Mr. Never Gets Laid, if I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:32:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: PhilSlave A rare sensible thing you have said, Ms. Bingo.. The binge day promotes metabolism, it's actually good to once a week have one. Hey Mr. Never Gets Laid, if I want your opinion, I'll give it to you! I get you're a big girl, no problem get that hate out! :-) Eat that Ice cream!

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:40:22 PM)
quote: I have no medical degree, I have degrees in biology from Nottingham, Southbank and Goldsmiths Uni of London. Soy has benefits in the menopause and is the rare complete protein, however, most vegetable proteins are not full proteins and require amino acid supplementation. Soy does have some drawbacks, some people are sensitive to some of it's components at different dosages. It's also a mistake to attribute what works in terms of food for one racial group to another, as our bodies have different physiological triggers due to diversity and adaptation of intestines to diet. An extreme examples would be eskimo metabolism of white fat. I dont recall ever saying she shouldnt supplement her diet. I did point out the benefits of soy and vegetable protiens as opposed to meat. I also believe all women should supplement with a vitamins as our diets are often lacking in iron as well as calcium. But, according to the experts, soy is a complete protein. According to the American Association of Family Physicians... Available in a wide variety of products, soybeans are one of the few vegetarian sources of total protein containing all of the essential amino acids required in the human diet.4 Common food preparations include edamame (whole soybeans), tofu (soybean curd), soy milk, soy flour, tempeh (cooked and fermented soy), miso (fermented soybean paste), and soy sauce (Table 16,7). Refined soy components are also available as nutritional supplements in the form of isolated soy protein and as the soy-derived isoflavones genistein, daidzein, and glycitein.4,8 Soy has been a staple source of protein in Asian diets for thousands of years and received significant attention when studies showed that Asian populations have a lower risk of breast and prostate cancers.3 Studies of soy mainly focus on three areas: dietary whole soy protein intake (e.g., soybeans, tofu); isolated soy protein supplements, which are alcohol-washed to remove components; and dietary supplementation with soy isoflavones. Allergy to soy in adults is uncommon and estimated to occur in about 0.2 percent of the U.S. population.40 Anaphylaxis has been reported with soy, but is rare.40 http://www.aafp.org/afp/2009/0101/p43.html Abstract Soybeans contain all of the essential amino acids necessary for human nutrition and have been grown and harvested for thousands of years. Populations with diets high in soy protein and low in animal protein have lower risks of prostate and breast cancers than other populations. Increasing dietary whole soy protein lowers levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins, and triglycerides; may improve menopausal hot flashes; and may help maintain bone density and decrease fractures in postmenopausal women. There are not enough data to make recommendations concerning soy intake in women with a history of breast cancer. The refined soy isoflavone components, when given as supplements, have not yielded the same results as increasing dietary whole soy protein. Overall, soy is well tolerated, and because it is a complete source of protein shown to lower cholesterol, it is recommended as a dietary substitution for higher-fat animal products. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19145965

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:46:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I have no medical degree, I have degrees in biology from Nottingham, Southbank and Goldsmiths Uni of London. Soy has benefits in the menopause and is the rare complete protein, however, most vegetable proteins are not full proteins and require amino acid supplementation. Soy does have some drawbacks, some people are sensitive to some of it's components at different dosages. It's also a mistake to attribute what works in terms of food for one racial group to another, as our bodies have different physiological triggers due to diversity and adaptation of intestines to diet. An extreme examples would be eskimo metabolism of white fat. I dont recall ever saying she shouldnt supplement her diet. I did point out the benefits of soy and vegetable protiens as opposed to meat. I also believe all women should supplement with a vitamins as our diets are often lacking in iron as well as calcium. But, according to the experts, soy is a complete protein. According to the American Association of Family Physicians... Available in a wide variety of products, soybeans are one of the few vegetarian sources of total protein containing all of the essential amino acids required in the human diet.4 Common food preparations include edamame (whole soybeans), tofu (soybean curd), soy milk, soy flour, tempeh (cooked and fermented soy), miso (fermented soybean paste), and soy sauce (Table 16,7). Refined soy components are also available as nutritional supplements in the form of isolated soy protein and as the soy-derived isoflavones genistein, daidzein, and glycitein.4,8 Soy has been a staple source of protein in Asian diets for thousands of years and received significant attention when studies showed that Asian populations have a lower risk of breast and prostate cancers.3 Studies of soy mainly focus on three areas: dietary whole soy protein intake (e.g., soybeans, tofu); isolated soy protein supplements, which are alcohol-washed to remove components; and dietary supplementation with soy isoflavones. Allergy to soy in adults is uncommon and estimated to occur in about 0.2 percent of the U.S. population.40 Anaphylaxis has been reported with soy, but is rare.40 http://www.aafp.org/afp/2009/0101/p43.html Abstract Soybeans contain all of the essential amino acids necessary for human nutrition and have been grown and harvested for thousands of years. Populations with diets high in soy protein and low in animal protein have lower risks of prostate and breast cancers than other populations. Increasing dietary whole soy protein lowers levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins, and triglycerides; may improve menopausal hot flashes; and may help maintain bone density and decrease fractures in postmenopausal women. There are not enough data to make recommendations concerning soy intake in women with a history of breast cancer. The refined soy isoflavone components, when given as supplements, have not yielded the same results as increasing dietary whole soy protein. Overall, soy is well tolerated, and because it is a complete source of protein shown to lower cholesterol, it is recommended as a dietary substitution for higher-fat animal products. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19145965 Some issues around phyto oestrogens and soy, it is good for lowering cholesterol. Like I said some toxicity issues. http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2000/aug/27/life1.lifemagazine6

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:54:57 PM)
I give you medical sites and you give me the guardian? Find better sources.

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 4:56:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I give you medical sites and you give me the guardian? Find better sources. Lol, the guardian picked up on medical research read the article. I'm not saying soya is inherently bad, I'm saying it has some well discussed issues.

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 5:32:07 PM)
Get the research. I could have easily tossed up any news site, instead I went and did the professional avenue and offered the actual links to the medical sites. Seeing how many degrees you hold, surely you know better than to offer what you did.

PhilSlave -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 5:36:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Get the research. Um, say please. :-)

tazzygirl -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 6:27:27 PM)
Go fuck yourself [:D]

LadyConstanze -> RE: High protein diets and hot flashes (7/6/2011 6:29:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Go fuck yourself [:D] LOL, and what would be different from every day?

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