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Sexual Submission/Force - 7/6/2011 8:24:44 PM

Siv

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Can you really force someone into sexual submission without it being considered rape? I have talked about this many times with my friends and they all say no. I agree with them, you can't force the willing.

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RE: Sexual Submission/Force - 7/6/2011 8:52:10 PM

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I agree with them, you can't force the willing.

One can not rape the willing. The key word is willing.

If they are willing, any "forcing" is in most cases essentially play. However I can come up with some scenarios where a person could be willing to be literally forced to do something.

Here's an example. A person has a hard limit, say scat, however, due to the setup of their particular dynamic that person has given the dominant the right to ignore all limits, and the right to enforce this in any way they chose. The Dom is thus able to force the sub to obey, and the sub has already given consent (i.e. is willing) to be forced to do things against his/her will.

So yes you really can force somebody without it being rape, it's just not common.

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RE: Sexual Submission/Force - 7/6/2011 11:39:11 PM

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The Dom is thus able to force the sub to obey, and the sub has already given consent (i.e. is willing) to be forced to do things against his/her will.

Sorry, Arpig, I have to disagree. It doesn't matter if someone has agreed to something in advance. If suddenly they say "no" and the activity is not stopped it could be considered rape. Consent has been revoked.

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RE: Sexual Submission/Force - 7/7/2011 3:01:55 AM

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Can you really force someone into sexual submission without it being considered rape? I have talked about this many times with my friends and they all say no. I agree with them, you can't force the willing.

Rape in marriage is a relatively new concept (a couple of years, maybe decades) but I read somewhere that for a while once a couple was married the guy could actually claim his "rights" and it was not considered rape, since by saying "I do" the wife automatically agreed to supply him with sex on demand. Luckily now an outdated concept in most parts of the world but I think there would be ways of bullying, maneuvering, manipulating, emotionally blackmailing somebody without it actually being rape, but they belong into the realm of abuse and not BDSM.

I assume that we talk about a situation where consent was given (consensual non-consensual), then well, I'm with you, it's the willing then, though I would imagine legally it would be slightly slippery ground, especially if somebody decided afterwards that they didn't like it and want to scream rape...

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