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LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 4:46:40 PM)

When my mother died suddenly at home, my father didn't know that he was supposed to call 911 first & then start CPR. So by the time the paramedics got to her, she'd been down for approximately 15 minutes. They got her heart started & they put her in the ICU on machines to keep her alive. Father & I went to see her several times each day & even though she was in a coma, we could both feel her presence. For those first few days, we had hope that she might revive & be able to breathe on her own & we made plans for me to quit my job & move in to take care of her.

Then she had a really rough night & when we went to see her that next day, we both felt that she had left. So, after several more visits, we signed the papers to turn off the machines that were keeping her alive. My sister didn't want to sign & legally she didn't have to, but she signed anyway to show familial solidarity. I had no problem whatsoever with signing that paper. As far as I know, Father didn't have any issues with it either. We left the hospital after signing & didn't go back. There really wasn't much point to our being with the body when they turned off the machine that was breathing for it. Mother was no longer in that body, so didn't need us to be there.

I hope that my family can afford me that kind of dignity when it's my turn. I am living in pretty awful pain right now, but I have hope that there will be some form of treatment that will ease it. It's not a terminal illness &, while I am depressed, I am not suicidal. But should I ever get to the point that I am truly no longer having any quality of life due to the pain, I would want my family to love me enough to help me die.

I understand that others don't share my beliefs about souls & bodies & I have no problem with those who feel they couldn't assist a loved one in passing. I'm ok with that & would never presume to judge them. I love that Greedy's mom & she are so realistic as to take the decision out of Greedy's control. I don't know of anyone in my family who would do this for me, no matter what. I don't believe my sister would be able to make the decision & I don't think my daughter would want to make it. But at least this has gotten me thinking that maybe I should check with them about it.




angelikaJ -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 6:32:11 PM)

In 1979 my maternal granmother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Surgery was done but it had spread.
She was at home for a few months before the last trip to the hospital.
She had a very progressive doctor. She had had a heart attack several years before and instead of waiting for cancer to take her the doctor communicated with my mother and it was decided that they would simply withold her heart medication and keep her comfortable. She died of congestive heart failure but it was a peaceful end.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 6:57:41 PM)

my life, my choice. it's nobody else's fucking business. i'd probably be right upset if somebody i loved chose to die, but that's just tough shit for me, it's not my life, so not my affair.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 7:27:42 PM)

When my father decided to not have a redo of his cardiac bypass surgery, my sister called me & told me I "had to go talk to him & make him have the surgery." HA!! Like I had that much power. Well, maybe I did. But what I told my sister was this: "His body his choice." I would never presume to tell anyone that they were wrong about such a choice. So why would I be so arrogant as to tell them they were wrong about their choice to die? When Father decided to die by starvation in 2001, I supported his decision wholeheartedly. He didn't want me there during the process because he felt that I would tie him to the earth. He finally asked for me to come the last day he was alive. And I sat with him & held his hand & told him it was ok, he could go. I have never regretted doing that for him, because I loved him unconditionally & he would have done the same for me for the very same reason.

"If you love something, let it go....."




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 7:56:09 PM)

you fucking rock linn. i only hope i can live up to my beliefs as well as you did when i am put to the test.




TreasureKY -> RE: Assisted death (7/7/2011 9:15:55 PM)

I don't think I can express my feelings on this at the moment... it is just too complex an issue.  I will say that I can see both sides and sympathize with each.

Watching the entire piece neither confirmed or dissuaded my feelings, but I was wholly shocked to find myself physically affected by the ending moments of Peter's life.  Not emotionally, but physically.  I still have the strangest feeling in my chest. 




GreedyTop -> RE: Assisted death (7/8/2011 12:23:34 PM)

I got the same feeling, T..

emotionally as well, but felt as if I had been punched in the chest...




VirginPotty -> RE: Assisted death (7/8/2011 1:09:26 PM)

My sister has me listed on her will as Power of Attorney for any medical decisions should she be hooked up to machines to keep her alive.
She knows that I'll have the strength to refuse heroic measures.
We're not speaking now after a blow up a couple of years ago and I'm wondering if I have to wait until she's on a machine?




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Assisted death (7/8/2011 7:49:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

LadyC pointed me towards this programme from BBC (gotta get on Youtube now, though..)

Sir Terry Pratchett, diagnosed with alzheimers in 2008, exploring assisted death:  Here is part one

the whole programme is well worth watching.. it is difficult at times.. but as Terry says: it may not be easy but it is important.


If you had to be the person watching someone making this decision, how would you feel?

could you respect the decision?


I did watch my father make a similar decision, in somewhat different circumstances, a few years ago. He was dying, and wrestling with the decision to keep  fighting or to end it. I told him that he he should make his decision based on what he wanted to do, not what he felt he ought to do for me, and that no matter what decision he made I'd back him 110%, no questions asked, and do whatever he needed me to do to help him.

He decided to keep fighting, but a few days later, things took a sharp left turn, and I had to be the one to tell him that things had changed and it was probably time to revisit the question of where he wanted to go from here.  He was ready; and I told him I'd be right there with him all the way. This was about 4 AM. When his doctor came to the hospital at around 7, I pulled him aside and told him where it was at. He went in and spoke with my dad, and the process moved quickly from there. Morphine and atavan, administered IV in a drip. By 10 AM he was unconscious, and by 4 PM he was dead.

How did I feel? It was the worst day of my life, times 1,000. I remember it at least a dozen times a day, and it almost fucking kills me every time I think about it. But it was the only thing to do, the absolutely right thing to do, and I never even considered not doing it. If there was one single day of my life that I would give anything to forget, or to never have lived in the first place, that would be the day, but if I had to do it all over again I'd do exactly the same thing 100 times out of 99. I wish to god I hadn't had to do it, but at the same time, I thank god that I was there for him when he needed me to be. He'd never needed anything more badly in his entire life than he needed that, and I was the only person in the world who could do it for him.

Did i respect the decision? Fuck, yeah. I've never respected him or admired him more in my entire life than I did those last few hours, never been more proud of him. It was the bravest thing I've ever seen anyone do. If he'd been dying of Alzheimer's I'd have felt the same way, and would have done whatever he needed me to do to help him.

When that moment comes for me, i won't be asking anyone else for help. I won't put anyone in that position, and even if I would, I don't have anyone in my life close enough to me to ask. I know how I'm going to do it, and have a couple of ideas on where, depending on the situation. I plan on leaving everyone else completely out of it, and in fact if all goes to plan, they won't even know for sure what happened. Best that way, I think. When it's time to go, it's just time to go, ya know?




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Assisted death (7/8/2011 8:18:47 PM)

I have great respect for you, Panda. What a wonderful gift that you gave him.




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