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MHOO314 -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 6:38:47 AM)

actually it works well on BOTH genders of submissives, I have a great technique developed for Me called "tylers flower" and its for the males!
 
mooowwaaaaahhhhhhh contact Me off post about the time I used it on a sub in a restaurant!




Lashra -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 7:58:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

owie... must be a femsub thing

If someone was to go about pinching my labias I'd thrust my heel straight to the middle of their forehead. (or a lower region if the angle was right)

[sm=paddle.gif]

ROFLMAO, they might just like that [:D]

~Lashra




Soquili -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 8:06:06 AM)

If you simply want to cause pain without leaving marks/doing physical damage might I suggest you talk to a martial arts teacher? Some pressure points will take you anywhere from "ouch" to screaming the house down to unconsciousness depending on the point and pressure. Be -very- careful which point you choose as some affect other body parts and/or functions. Try the one in the web of your thumb..that can paralyze the arm with pain, no damage is likely since you can't maitain the hold long enough manually. It's also helpful for headaches (even sinus!) if you massage it gently. ;) Of course you also have the ulnar nerve (funnybone) which is quite painful to have fingertips in. Stay away from joint locks without several years of practice in your chosen art, too easy to damage someone. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Talk to a sensei you trust -before- you attempt anything beyond your comfort and skill level. Pain is easy, skilled paingivers are quite rare.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 8:33:19 AM)

Anything becomes painful over time. 




BitaTruble -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 8:40:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Don't believe anyone who says zippers dont hurt *grin*...I nearly pass out ..I cant even imagine them not hurting...but  being pinched really hurts me..so it must be an individual sensation thing.

Also another really strong sensation for me is being caned on the calves.


The picture that I have showing here is cut off before you can see the 110 clothespins I have on my breasts which were zipped off ::except for the gator clamps:: at a birthday party for a Dominant friend. (I do have the full pic though if you wanna see it. [8D])

I think either Himself or Utah Goddess took that picture. I don't remember.. was a bit distracted. lol

[8D]

Celeste







Bearlee -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 8:55:32 AM)

Is it just me, or does working up, over time, to actually scaring the girl sound like a good idea?  If you are both as new as it sounds, and are playing for the first time yet hope for a long-term relationship, WHY push for scars right off?  Seems a recipe for disaster, to me.

About cloths pins & zippers; how well they hurt is also an individual thing…to the cloths pin!  Some hardly hurt at all, others cause a boy I know to whine just looking at them; and he’s kind of a pain slut.  Go figure!  But don’t be lulled to thinking they can’t cause damage…you should leave them on only about 20 minutes, max.  Seems to me, cutting off blood does cause permanent damage, if left too long.

IMHO   It’d be better to play hard, but leave the scaring for when you’re more experienced and you two know each other better.   Imagine how delicious it would be to mind-fuck her though...




KnightofMists -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 9:13:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

As you have said, you are still new to this and the part of your post that caught my eye was that you wish to hear her safeword. Now I don't believe that having the safeword be the goal of a scene is ever a good idea, but seeing as you are still new I believe this is an even stronger reason to not be playing at that level.



I am glad to see someone caught this.

Slip... frankly if your playing with the goal to get them to safeword... your setting yourself up for failure and/or possibly even worse.  I don't believe that it is wise to make the goal to safeword and that would should be focused on painful enjoyments of the scene.

I will tell you a scene that I do from time to time.  not very often but I do it and only to someone that I know very very well.  I call it "To Red and Beyond"

simply I take any particular toy.  with alandra I generally use a cane...  alandra is required to get into a specific position for each strike.  Not being in position is in essense could be considered calling a safeword in some peoples eyes.  It is a slow intense play with a cane.  the more strikes that have occurred, the longer it take her to get into position.  Sometimes, I will use verbal to either encourage her to take one more or actually discourage her that she is incapable to take anymore.  Now, the truth is that alandra knows very well... is that the play doesn't stop until I decide it stops.  I make the decision of if I want her into position or not.  I have let her struggle for almost 2 minutes getting up into position after a strike.  Sometimes I will stop after she has struggled for only a few seconds.  The fact is I gauge the complete condition of her.  When you reach a certain intensity of SM... safewords and all that ilk will go out the window.  alandra will continuely push and struggle to get herself into position for the next strike.  There is no other thoughts or consideration in her mind.  It's very automatic and a non-thinking response.  As the play continues with her and we get beyond the intial strikes (we call it warm up, others don't see a warm up) , afer each strike she is immediatlely trying to move into position.  The more strikes the more automatic her response to get into position.  She fights past the pain and even her body's ability to do what her mind becomes focused on doing. 

Just as a note... this likely alandra's favorite play of all the plays I do with her.  For in fact... it's only her and the pain.  Nothing else.

This play is very much like the marathon runner.  You will see these runners from time to time hit what they call the wall.  But, watch them when they have hit that wall.  they are focused on one thing.. to cross that finish line.  With alandra in particular... I take her to the wall of her pain.  My responsiblity.. to stop her short of the wall.  Because in the end.. the goal is not to cross a finish line.  the goal is running the race in the first place!




thetammyjo -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 9:25:44 AM)

Haven't read through here but I love skewers.

No, not to pierce people but as mini canes.

Two levels of pain, lovely welts and can be used almost anywhere on the body. Plus cheap and disposalable!

I use only wooden ones.





mistoferin -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 9:44:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
I will tell you a scene that I do from time to time.  not very often but I do it and only to someone that I know very very well.  I call it "To Red and Beyond"


Hey.....did you used to be our peeping Tom??? We really did have one and they never did catch that guy. LOL.

We used to play this same game but with a few variations. We called it "Jeopardy" or "Jaws" though because while he was waiting for me to recompose for the next round of "assault" he would hum the tune from Jeopardy, and after I was composed he would do that song from Jaws while he was leading up to the strikes. (By the way, that song creeps you out when your blindfolded and you KNOW you're gonna get it)




MsMacComb -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:02:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LdyS

A cane to the bottom of the feet (repeatedly with little break) can cause an interesting series of sensation in a masochist (and by definition, the Sadist).
Enjoy! LdyS
 

With all due respect caning of the feet ,Bastinado, can be very dangerous if not done correctly. [:)]




LadyHugs -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:12:30 AM)

Dear Slipstreme, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
My favorite sadist technique that leaves no marks however, requires an individual safe on the floor unbound is what I call, a "super dooper ripper zipper."

Taking a nylon net that holds fruits and in a diamond pattern, cut it as to lay flat over nipple and breast mass, down to the genitals and under a bit.  Then take itty bitty clothespins and place on nipples, around the labia major, labia minor, and any genital area that they can grasp. Then rip off.  The sensation will cause them to go into a curl and is more intense than 10 zippers at once.

For men, do the same and wrap around the shaft and balls and rip nipples to balls with this net.

For slightly less intensity, I go up to car's cargo nets and use medium to standard wood clothespins.  I clip the clothespins as it opens over a connecting strand of the cargo net.  These allow clothespins to be undedicated to any one use and usually lay in the first nitch, and will not interfere with a good grasp.

What nets allow is for the TOP to rip side to side, corner to opposite lower corner; e.g. northwest rip to southeast, etc., rip up, rip down, slow peels up and down and if two TOPS both of you can lift same time.  Each gives different sensations and no marks after the clothespin indentations disappear.

It will cause violent thrashing so, it is best to have nothing around to knock into or hit.

Before ripping it off, an individual can run a cane or whip across these clothespins to disturb them, causing discomfort and or pain.

Being a fan of caning, using the Florentine caning as well as cane with two canes in each hand and or two canes (one in each hand), I really do wish to caution about caning around the feet, as bones are much smaller and want to aim for the ball, arch and heel of the foot only.

I do have some kind individuals that have placed my presentation on caning "The Art and Syles of Caning," on their web site at www.iron-rose.com to which will be in the library section.  It is one presentation however, due to the size they had to make it into two parts.

I recommend tipping as a technique for no marks, no damage.  I have given many demonstrations on working the cane with the body's own electrical and or nerve bundles.  No heavy handed impact is needed to get involuntary orgasms from tipping.

Placing metal magnetic clothespins on nipples are a lot of fun.  For kitchen magnets, these heavy clothespins have a lot of weight, can add more weight due to the magnet.  Works on lower genital regions as well.  Tapping on them just makes them bounce and hurt or, you can command them to hop and hurt themselves.  Spanking will cause the vibrations into the clamps.

Fish scaling gloves do act as an abrasive and pinch and squeeze and drag off the nipples.  Rubbermaid's scrub mits and grooming mits also work.  In the old days, used sand paper however, beauty shops have emory blocks that don't give off debri when used as much.  Pot scrubs made of nylon under clamps and pull and or fingers.  Works well.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs

 




Najakcharmer -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:28:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Try clove oil on a butt plug or on her clit and nipples, very intense. You can also purchase a short, 4 inch or less stiff whip usually called a penis whip, great for breast play yet very easy to control.


Pure enough essential oils can cause fairly significant skin lesions when applied to mucous membrane or areas of thin skin.  Dilution with inert oil is recommended.  Oil based irritants are difficult and slow to remove; water based ones such as wasabi, ginger or toothpaste have a "safeword" in that they can be removed immediately.




Slipstreme -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:29:46 AM)

Safewording is one thing I am concerned about, although thankfully I've been able to recognize physical trama in the bottoms I have played with who seem unable to safeword, and stop whatever I am doing before damage is done.

However, I know she will be the heaviest masochist I have had the chance to play with, and I know she is just about as stubborn as I am when it comes to safewording. It just hasnt happened, either because we just havent felt the need to, or we just havent been pushed far enough, I don't know.

So in all likelihood, there will be no safewording, something I have been considering. We both honestly don't know what it would take to get us there. Although I know I can use my safeword against her (It is her orgasm trigger word :P and no I didn't pick it because it was. I had it first.).

But basic point, regardless of what the fears are of those on the list, I will not harm my friend. I am hellbent and determined that we both enjoy the scene and we both leave it feeling good. I would rather be in the crossfire myself than harm her. The romantic notion of hearing her safeword, is simply that, a romantic notion. I want to hear it, but if I don't, I don't, and it really isn't a big deal. Ditto with scarring, a romantic notion, no more, no less.

I do know that experience is what it takes to move on to advanced play, but I do want resources that I can tap into and start learning.

I know that the time frame between visiting her the first time is too short and I don't anticipate being able to delve into those levels of play. However the next time, hopefully either she and her Master will have enough money or I will to visit again (FL to NJ is a long journey), I would like to have at least increased my skill set a little.

As much as I would like to use the ideas put forth about female anatomy, she is a pre-op transexual, and still has a cock and balls.

Nice idea though KOM, perhaps in a few years when I have a solid relationship with someone, or ones, I know well enough.

Trust me I am not going into this scene doing any more than I already know how to do. I've already taken my concerns to her about my lack of experience, and she thinks I am over reacting and worring about nothing, which may be true, but may not be. That is why I took it to the list, because I knew people with experience far greater than mine could give me insight.    




Slipstreme -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:32:22 AM)

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Pure enough essential oils can cause fairly significant skin lesions when applied to mucous membrane or areas of thin skin.  Dilution with inert oil is recommended.  Oil based irritants are difficult and slow to remove; water based ones such as wasabi, ginger or toothpaste have a "safeword" in that they can be removed immediately.


I'll be bringing my Icy Hot.[:)] I lack much money so I couldn't go out and buy the oils anyway. Thing with Icy Hot is, I know the sensations tend to last a long time, regardless of if you remove it or not. I tend to self-inflict quite a lot of pain.




mixielicous -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:48:15 AM)

i just got my Master a dressage whip and it packs quite a whallop..

i personally like canes/crops to the feet and dont find it painful, eventhough i am so sensitive there..





MstrssSatin -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:49:16 AM)



Thanks LadyHugs for the idea. I do love to learn new ways to use my clothespins.




LadyHugs -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:52:07 AM)

Dear Slipstreme, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I saw where clothespins in the web of the thumb was considered painful.  I also have placed itty bitty clothespins in the web of toes. 

I agree birdseed, rice, fish tank gravel on the knees while kneeling is painful also.

 
Squat for a long period of time, barefoot on such things as rice, fish tank gravel and or birdseed is also fun, especially when in that position for a time.
 
Sometimes, I use a knife to go between the toes.  Metal frozen in the ice box and then applied to the web between the toes can be rather fun.
 
Hand spanking, another area where I teach in the workshop at the Training academy and like other works, in my CD-ROM; there are many types of hands that an individual can use, to which adds to the sensory/sensual and or sadistic.
 
Adding weight to the hand, without actually adding more force, can be done by soaking a leather glove wet and spank with it.  I would advise using an old leather glove and not your good pair.
 
I recommend the 'cup' hand stroke to spank the phallus and I use the skip stroke to spank the balls in an upward direction.  I do these techniques on masochists.  
 
The cup stroke, is as if using your hand to bring up water from a stream, this gives a hollow area to displace around the phallus and evens the impact as it is held against the pubic area.  Spanking an unsupported phallus should be light.  Skip stroke is a loose hand and like a rock skipping on water, grazes over the target in a upward stroke.  This is a sensual light stroke, good for warm ups to any body mass; .e.g. buttocks, breasts, genitals.
 
Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs
 
 




mixielicous -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 11:59:19 AM)

i am confused didnt you tell crappy dom in another thread you didnt have a CD?




MistressWolfen -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 12:08:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali
...but  being pinched really hurts me..so it must be an individual sensation thing.


My slave hates the pinches too jali...just hates them, I think you are right in it being the way an individual interprets neural stimuli.




BitaTruble -> RE: Pain Techniques that don't cause much damage (5/17/2006 12:33:57 PM)

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About cloths pins & zippers; how well they hurt is also an individual thing…to the cloths pin!  Some hardly hurt at all, others cause a boy I know to whine just looking at them; and he’s kind of a pain slut.  Go figure!  But don’t be lulled to thinking they can’t cause damage…you should leave them on only about 20 minutes, max.  Seems to me, cutting off blood does cause permanent damage, if left too long.


I've worn clothespins for over two hours without any effects other than some lovely bruises, but then, the only thing my breasts are good for these days are holding clothespins. ;) I wouldn't recommend using gator clamps in zippers though. lol Those little bitches hurt even more than bones!




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