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Kuratori -> integrating my vanilla (5/16/2006 10:59:02 PM)

Hi all.  I am in a wonderful relationship with both my vanilla boyfriend (been together for almost a year now) and my pet (been in my life since end of January), Navi.  I personally have been in this lifestyle for about 20 years; Navi has been in it for just a few years.  My vanilla, while not a part of this lifestyle, is definitely not conservative, missionary style only guy.  He has a wonderfully open mind, but his main objections to the bdsm world have to do with his passionate love of personal freedom (he flinches at the thought of anyone willingly giving theirs up) and his aversion to pain.

Because of these two main factors he has a problem both understanding and accommodating my lifestyle sometimes.  It hasn't been bad yet because he worked 2nd shift to my 1st shift and we would only overlap our time during the weekends which left the bulk of the week free for scene-ing and playing with my pet.  Now he has been switched to 1st shift which means he's home in the evenings and I now have to alternate days with the two of them to make sure everyone gets enough of me.  There is some jealously between the two guys but it's mostly due to time with me and not over some sort of possessiveness, thank goodness.  Also they like to have cuddle time and a bit of playfulness with each other too.

Navi and I are trying to move our times together into the garage so we don't make the boyfriend uncomfortable but he's feeling left out and alone.  Since he has problems with my two main bdsm facets I don't see how to include him in any of this except at a very shallow level - example - last night I had snuck up on Navi while he pretended to sleep and blindfolded him.  BF came around the side of the garage, snuck in and held his wrists down - which greatly confused and then delighted Navi.  We did light touching and restraint and I used a toy on my pet and everything seemed to go fine, we had a nice exhausted puppy pile afterwards.  Tonight is ok so far but the BF seems a little detached again.  I hope he will continue to play in the future but we'll just have to see where it goes.

Does anyone else have a Vanilla to deal with in their bdsm lives and if so have you managed to integrate them into your lifestyle or if not how do you juggle time and attention?

Thanks bunches,
Kuratori




MistressLove999 -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/16/2006 11:05:46 PM)

How vanilla is the bf dear? Is he bi or bi curious? The puppy pile etc caught my eye and was wondering?
Also he knows of your sub? He accepts it?




Kuratori -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/16/2006 11:43:31 PM)

hi is bi-ish.  As of now it has been just kissing and fondling and sucking the pet and the pet reciprocatiing.  My pet would like to see more happen but this may or may not come to be.  My BF isn't attracted to men in that way, he's just cuddly and very oral.

When it comes to sex Bf is very vanilla - he won't even use toys.  He does have a healthy masturbation habit but he definitely prefers sex with other people.  No pain, no restraints, no power plays, not even any role playing.  My pet has to take up the slack for that - but what he doesn't do in the alternative lifestyle he more than makes up for in love, stability, humor, gentleness, courtesy, etc etc etc.

Kuratori




thetammyjo -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/17/2006 7:15:55 AM)

I don't think you need to include your vanilla partner in your scenes. In fact, it might make him more uncomfortable if he does get BDSM because if he feels anything positive during the scene its going to raise doubts in himself and how much time and energy do you wish to give to that?

I don't include Tom in my Ds relationships at all. He and Fox and others I've had are just friends and they do just friends stuff together (mostly science/sci fi geeky stuff). He respects the rules, rituals and other Ds things that Fox and I have, never speaks badly about them, never attempts to change them.

Perhaps you should just give them time to get to know each other and become friends.

Of course it is strictly BDSM with your pet and you don't want any vanilla or mundaneness there it will be harder -- we are family, we eat dinner together, the guys share some chores, they have a gaming group they are members of which I have no interest in, etc.




DerLachendeKater -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/17/2006 9:34:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I don't think you need to include your vanilla partner in your scenes. In fact, it might make him more uncomfortable if he does get BDSM because if he feels anything positive during the scene its going to raise doubts in himself and how much time and energy do you wish to give to that?

I don't include Tom in my Ds relationships at all. He and Fox and others I've had are just friends and they do just friends stuff together (mostly science/sci fi geeky stuff). He respects the rules, rituals and other Ds things that Fox and I have, never speaks badly about them, never attempts to change them.

Perhaps you should just give them time to get to know each other and become friends.

Of course it is strictly BDSM with your pet and you don't want any vanilla or mundaneness there it will be harder -- we are family, we eat dinner together, the guys share some chores, they have a gaming group they are members of which I have no interest in, etc.


since my mistress is at work I’ll pop in here and reveal a few more things since she kind of gave a very basic view of the situation the situation isn't as simple as there being a vanilla bf a kinky pet and her we all share extremely strong feelings for each other even though I refuse to be anything more then a pet and a gf it often works more like a three-way relationship.  

The problem arises with the fact that her bf has an extreme aversion to loss of freedom violence etc. all that I think I can say for now is has to do with stuff as he grew up. I on the other hand among other things enjoy rape fantasies and other such things where i have the possibility of getting tossed around hit etc.

the other big problem is that and I will be the first to admit it me and him are both attention whores when it comes to his mate and my mistress so we usually end up bumping heads about that but not always. The threesomes we have are also very fulfilling for example the other night when they surprised me even though nothing major happened I walked away happier because I felt that we had all grown closer.

Anyways I hope this sheds some more light I don't want to say anything else cus I’m not sure if it would be ok.





thetammyjo -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/17/2006 10:24:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DerLachendeKater

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I don't think you need to include your vanilla partner in your scenes. In fact, it might make him more uncomfortable if he does get BDSM because if he feels anything positive during the scene its going to raise doubts in himself and how much time and energy do you wish to give to that?

I don't include Tom in my Ds relationships at all. He and Fox and others I've had are just friends and they do just friends stuff together (mostly science/sci fi geeky stuff). He respects the rules, rituals and other Ds things that Fox and I have, never speaks badly about them, never attempts to change them.

Perhaps you should just give them time to get to know each other and become friends.

Of course it is strictly BDSM with your pet and you don't want any vanilla or mundaneness there it will be harder -- we are family, we eat dinner together, the guys share some chores, they have a gaming group they are members of which I have no interest in, etc.


since my mistress is at work I’ll pop in here and reveal a few more things since she kind of gave a very basic view of the situation the situation isn't as simple as there being a vanilla bf a kinky pet and her we all share extremely strong feelings for each other even though I refuse to be anything more then a pet and a gf it often works more like a three-way relationship.

The problem arises with the fact that her bf has an extreme aversion to loss of freedom violence etc. all that I think I can say for now is has to do with stuff as he grew up. I on the other hand among other things enjoy rape fantasies and other such things where i have the possibility of getting tossed around hit etc.

the other big problem is that and I will be the first to admit it me and him are both attention whores when it comes to his mate and my mistress so we usually end up bumping heads about that but not always. The threesomes we have are also very fulfilling for example the other night when they surprised me even though nothing major happened I walked away happier because I felt that we had all grown closer.

Anyways I hope this sheds some more light I don't want to say anything else cus I’m not sure if it would be ok.




Well, heck, since you are both on here, it sounds like you three just need to talk. Set some limits maybe about who has her time and when. Yes, it is difficult to share, I see it with Tom and Fox from time to time, but I work very hard on giving them special alone time and then also family time.

Sounds like you all need to keep the more intense stuff out of his time with you two if you can. It might suck, but sometimes we have to protect the person with the lowests limits.

Alternately go slow if you include him and check in a lot with him -- both of you so he knows that what seems negative to his gut is something you and she enjoy.

Does this make sense?




Kuratori -> RE: integrating my vanilla (5/17/2006 7:10:42 PM)

Thanks bunches for your input TJ - the dynamics seem to be ever evolving - so far for the good.  We'll see how it goes :D

Kuratori




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