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Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/12/2011 8:42:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Some must know what I am talking about?
i sure as fuck don't. what i do know is that i am pretty fucking sure you're crazier than i am. good job, that's not an easy thing to accomplish.


Patrick Henry correctly addressed the floor and stated obvious flaws in the "CON"stitution.

He pointed out where it takes our rights away and gives them to the sovereign, no different than in england!

Now I came to that conclusion simply from the understanding of law as I was unaware Henry made a speech on it until it was brought to my attention.

The Supreme Court stated that the first 10 amendments of the bill of rights confer no right to individuals only the state.

(of course that is not what the words "appear" to say is it?)



(if you are born or naturalized in the US)



[image]http://constitutionus.com/images/we_the_people.jpg[/image]


(Preamble)

We the People  of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


I mean clearly "We The People" means you doesnt it? 

Thats a no brainer right?

Maybe its not?

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(123 u. s. 131) THE ANARCHISTS' CASE.1 Ex parte SPIES and others.(October 2 J, 1887.)   

That the first 10 articles of amendment were not intended to limit the powers of the state governments in respect to their own people, but to operate on the national government alone, was decided more than a half century ago, and that decision has been steadily adhered to since.



Well I have been saying all along that they just made a minor mistake on the CONstitution and they should have said "We The States" instead of "We The People".

Either that or they were as "dumb" back then as they are now today?

Just a miniscule minor little oversight as unimportant as the rights it stole.

Of course on the brite side at least the "state" has all those rights and freedoms...... oh wait so does the king LMAO





HannahLynHeather -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/12/2011 10:39:54 PM)

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So you believe I am the only one who gives a rats ass about the law that governs this country?
i sure as fuck don't. why would i?




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/12/2011 10:41:38 PM)

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oh wait so does the king LMAO
queen




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/13/2011 9:46:08 AM)

well I doubt you would be too happy if the queen simply up and changed your government with no authority to do so.

How about the use the word people and interpreting that to mean state?

I cannot find any where in history that people are a state.

Now you can find where people own an estate.

You can also find where the "e" was dropped off and it was simply stated as a state.

none of which can possess life nor take liberty to get up and move to canada.

Its hiway fraud and Patrick Henry pointed it out before it was made.

So America is a Monarcho-Democratic-Republic depending on when it serves the purposes of government to wipe out the the adjudication of the common law of Man as the supreme court and Patrick Henry said. 

I want to know just who "we the people" are since its obviously not me, nor is it you.




mnottertail -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/13/2011 10:00:42 AM)

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(123 u. s. 131) THE ANARCHISTS' CASE.1 Ex parte SPIES and others.(October 2 J, 1887.)   

That the first 10 articles of amendment were not intended to limit the powers of the state governments in respect to their own people, but to operate on the national government alone, was decided more than a half century ago, and that decision has been steadily adhered to since.




How the fuck do you get any of your impenetrable nonsense out of this? It says what it says and says it clearly. 

Tell me how many occurances of the word 'individual' are in the constitution.

It is not:

I, the people
Me, the People
You, the People

it is:

WE, the People. 




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/13/2011 3:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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(123 u. s. 131) THE ANARCHISTS' CASE.1 Ex parte SPIES and others.(October 2 J, 1887.)   

That the first 10 articles of amendment were not intended to limit the powers of the state governments in respect to their own people, but to operate on the national government alone, was decided more than a half century ago, and that decision has been steadily adhered to since.




How the fuck do you get any of your impenetrable nonsense out of this? It says what it says and says it clearly. 

Tell me how many occurances of the word 'individual' are in the constitution.

It is not:

I, the people
Me, the People
You, the People

it is:

WE, the People. 



so whats your point?  Plural?

I already said who the fuck is the people in that statement?  The state and the people are 2 entirely different things in law.

so then if we go with your WE then that means the right to life is only for the collective not the singular.

How the hell does anyone pull that construction off?  LOL







imperatrixx -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/13/2011 3:39:12 PM)

"people" and "the people" are also two separate things.

"people" is a collection of individuals. "the people" is a collective entity.




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/13/2011 3:43:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

"people" and "the people" are also two separate things.

"people" is a collection of individuals. "the people" is a collective entity.


Oh and to add "The People" or "the People" is a specific people, as compared with "the people" which refer to people generally..

there can also be "one" of the people.

The people as the "collective" is throughout history known as the "community".

People can also mean community.

However people and "State" are entirely different


then the best one speaking of bullshit, how do 10 slaves make a master?

How do 60,000 inhabitants create a "sovereign" state?  Its impossible.  Unless they themselves are sovereign.  LOL

More guv miracles in law?

Actualy not.

The State gets its grant of sovereignty from the feds, and the feds got the grant of sovereignty from "________" fill in that blank please LOL

the state on the other hand in england was the king representing the Estates under fee.   In america we still have the fee, (hence the taxation).  -and since taxation IS under the sole authority of the legislature we have none other than taxation without representation in our own back yard.    Why am I laughing.  I digress lol


That said it seems to go without saying that the People in the federal constitution means the states and feds, that the state constitutions means the states and the counties.

sorta leaves us out to hang hi and dry

So now I need one between me and the united nations to over rule them.   We the People of the united cheese heads of Real do hereby establish and ordain with the Nations of the world...........etc

WTF thats all they had to do right!  LMAO




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 10:33:27 AM)

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It was contended, however, in argument, that, "though originally the first ten amendments were adopted as limitations on federal power, yet, in so far as they secure and recognize fundamental rights—common-law rights—of the man, they make them privileges and immunities of the man as a citizen of the United States, and cannot now be abridged by a state under the fourteenth amendment. In other words, while the ten amendments as limitations on power only apply to the federal government, and not to the states, yet in so far as they declare or recognize rights of persons, these rights are theirs, as citizens of the United States, and the fourteenth amendment as to such 'rights limits state power, as the ten amendments had limited federal power." It is also contended that the provision of the


Even if they had the authority to change the gubbermint they did not have any LAWFUL authority to change the "status" of the inhabitants.

So the "CON"stitution is fucked up.

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It should really read:   "We the States of the United Governments of America, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish [in]Justice, insure domestic Tranquility among the slaves, provide for the common defence of the sovereignty, promote the general Welfare of government, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves [The State] and our Posterity, [we will figger out how to have kids some day] do ordain and establish this CONstitution for the United Kingdoms of America.



proof from the wisconsin statutes


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1.01 State sovereignty and jurisdiction. The sovereignty
and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries declared in article II of the constitution
, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction. Such sovereignty and jurisdiction are asserted and exercised over the St. Croix River from the eastern
shore thereof to the center or thread of the same, and the exclusive
jurisdiction of the state of Minnesota to authorize any person to
obstruct the navigation of said river east of the center or thread
thereof, or to enter upon the same and build piers, booms or other
fixtures, or to occupy any part of said river east of the center or
thread thereof for the purpose of sorting or holding logs, is denied;
such acts can "only" be authorized by the concurrent consent of the legislature of this state[Dammit forgot us again]


History: 1983 a. 538.
Cross−reference: See also Article IX of the Wisconsin Constitution.



I am so glad they forgot about protecting us and all they give a fuck about is protecting their club.


"Its a big club and you aint in it"  ~George Carlin "The American Dream


do dah, doo dee doo, hmm dee hmm...


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Moonhead -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 1:26:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well I doubt you would be too happy if the queen simply up and changed your government with no authority to do so.

Actually, she does have the power to dissolve parliament if her government appears to be completely fucked up: it would be politic for her to wait for a vote of no confidence, but she isn't actually obliged to do so.
That's about the only power the monarchy actually has under our constitution. I'm surprised you don't know that, given the amount of bizarre drivel you spout about her majesty's subjects having no rights.




mnottertail -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 1:29:34 PM)

Oh, jesus, hes quoting fuckin Cheesehead law now.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 1:50:26 PM)

Hmmm interesting term “top shelf”. When I first read the thread title I thought this guy was involved with porno mags. Apparently ut can also mean:

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When one takes a crap in the water tank of a toilet. This is usually done as a party prank or as a method of smiting one's enemies. It's a real pain to clean out, stinks like hell, and makes the toilet flush brown for days.
That guy wouldn't give me a beer at the party at his house last night, so I gave him a top shelf.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Top%20Shelf




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 2:38:49 PM)

yeh thats like everyone expected einstein to come out with a sworn statement that pull it meant demolish....

Top shelf in the way I was using it means simply the finest.

The finest liqour in most bars in america are kept on the top shelf and the swill on the rail.  a rail is that shelf that is the most handy by the fountain.   The fountain is what the soda comes out of.

Its tarbender idioms.  so is that.

Had you ever slung drinks you propbably would have gatherd as much.


Top shelf Top shelf may refer to:
  • Liquor of higher quality (mainly referring to Whisky), which is kept on the top shelves in a store, whereas the other shelves would hold liquor of lower quality (this expression is mainly used in American English)





Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 2:42:17 PM)

I told you we are living in a feudal country and I can prove it.  LOL

sux dont it.  you do know what they did I presume?  You noticed the several levels of supreme court double think I presume.  If not give those words they used some thought.  Its a kick in our teeth.


as patrick henry pointed out!






Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 2:49:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well I doubt you would be too happy if the queen simply up and changed your government with no authority to do so.

Actually, she does have the power to dissolve parliament if her government appears to be completely fucked up: it would be politic for her to wait for a vote of no confidence, but she isn't actually obliged to do so.
That's about the only power the monarchy actually has under our constitution. I'm surprised you don't know that, given the amount of bizarre drivel you spout about her majesty's subjects having no rights.


The monarchy did not really abrogate any of their own power.   They just spread it out.

Its not so in your face as it used to be when the king sojourned with his courtiers holding court thoughout the kingdom.

While the king/queen are not directly involved the judges worked for the king, except for the manor Estate-courts and they were under the king.

The king/queen has power that extends beyond the constitution and you appear to have carefully qualified your statement as "under" the constitution and in that I agree.  under tipped your hat.

On the other hand the monarchy does have power above the constitution and that no one wants to talk about.  One part as you stated to abolish parliament, there are many more.....

The only people in the world today that have "true" rights are the monarchy.

The rest have been forced into privileges at the end of the barrel of a gun just like iraq is finding out and afghanastan et al.

Hail the queen!.




mnottertail -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 3:36:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I told you we are living in a feudal country and I can prove it.  LOL

sux dont it.  you do know what they did I presume?  You noticed the several levels of supreme court double think I presume.  If not give those words they used some thought.  Its a kick in our teeth.


as patrick henry pointed out!





Disparate and unconnected.  Patrick Henry had long since even quit stinking and was long out of maggots when that slice of opinion was entered. 




imperatrixx -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 5:44:31 PM)

You know, RO, all this spam about 'we the people' shows you have a serious problem with English grammar.

I will give you a basic lesson. The subject of the sentence is the do-er. The object of the sentence is the do-ee.

Thus you have this sentence:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now in this sentence, the subject is in italics and the object is in bold. This sentence says that people are making a constitution for a country. It does not say that the constitution is making a country for the people. Now I could see the confusion if this were in Russian or some other language that completely screws with subject/object placement, but this is pretty clear to me.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 6:13:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yeh thats like everyone expected einstein to come out with a sworn statement that pull it meant demolish....

Top shelf in the way I was using it means simply the finest.

The finest liqour in most bars in america are kept on the top shelf and the swill on the rail.  a rail is that shelf that is the most handy by the fountain.   The fountain is what the soda comes out of.

Its tarbender idioms.  so is that.

Had you ever slung drinks you propbably would have gatherd as much.


Top shelf Top shelf may refer to:
  • Liquor of higher quality (mainly referring to Whisky), which is kept on the top shelves in a store, whereas the other shelves would hold liquor of lower quality (this expression is mainly used in American English)


Interesting that its a bartender's idiom too in Yankyville. Alcohol being a drug, is Paddy Henry the equivalent for the conspiratorial mind, the er... opium for the few? If so then some may well consider the thread title an example of parapraxis. [:D]




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 6:56:36 PM)

well you dont hear it said every day, after all I am ancient.  It has no hidden legal terms applied to it, just very simply highly prized, the best of the best and other related interpretations.




Real0ne -> RE: Patrick Henry is top shelf! (7/14/2011 6:58:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

You know, RO, all this spam about 'we the people' shows you have a serious problem with English grammar.

I will give you a basic lesson. The subject of the sentence is the do-er. The object of the sentence is the do-ee.

Thus you have this sentence:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now in this sentence, the subject is in italics and the object is in bold. This sentence says that people are making a constitution for a country. It does not say that the constitution is making a country for the people. Now I could see the confusion if this were in Russian or some other language that completely screws with subject/object placement, but this is pretty clear to me.


so you agree with me then?




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