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Toppingfrmbottom -> Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 7:44:07 AM)

Gah the bumps an the intense itching an burning when I get a bad heat related flair up in my scalp is driving me mad!!!!

And could swimming in a pool an then going to bed irritate the seb derm? My scalp is litterally itching so bad it feels like it's on fire an I can feel 5-6 clusters of itchy painful bumps all by my ear area's.


What are those bumps?


I am off to wash with naziral!!!!




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 10:12:24 AM)

Chlorine is quite aggressive so yes, fair chance of that, use baby shampoo to wash your hair and avoid all perfumed products for a while (soaps, shower lotions, etc.)




DesFIP -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 3:07:03 PM)

When the step son got it, I bought him pine tar shampoo. Cleared it up within two weeks and it was a bad case.
However always rinse off in clean water after getting out of a hot tub or pool. Always, always, always.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 4:09:26 PM)

DES I use naziral, which I totally spell wrong an I'm itch free for about 2 weeks but then gotta wash with it again.




angelikaJ -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 7:11:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

DES I use naziral, which I totally spell wrong an I'm itch free for about 2 weeks but then gotta wash with it again.


In the summer you may want to use it more often since the heat aggravates it. And yes, wash your hair after being in the pool.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 10:14:31 PM)

Boy does the heat bother it:(




myotherself -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/12/2011 10:37:40 PM)

are you sure it's sebhorreic dermatitis and not psoriasis?

I was treated for seb derm for years in my teens, and it wasn't until my 20s that my new doc said the patches were indicative of psoriasis. He prescribed some stronger (non-steroidal) shampoos and some lotions for when it appeared elsewhere, and it's under control now.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 7:58:26 AM)

Mos every time I went to a dr for it, when it fisrt bothered me before I knew what it was, an then again because selsun blue he told me to use burned my skin, an just recently while getting warts burnt they all said it's Sd. So bout 4 dr's said that. The bumps an the dry skin in my hairline an intensity of it upping when stressed or hot an sweaty all match every medical artical I read so far. When I am stressed or it's hot and I am sweaty or approaching time to wash hair again in summer the itching can set in so fast and fierce, it's beyond a 10, it's like a 20.

I suppose there's a chance it could be something else though.




Aswad -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 8:53:21 AM)

Apart from the treatments, there are a few unconventional approaches that sometimes help.

Fresh air on the scalp seems to be useful up here, but its colder in Scandinavia. There are violet light sources which help if your hair is short enough.

If it's really bad, you could always try probiotic treatment. That is, killing off the native flora in a problem area, and applying fresh dandruff from someone who isn't in the household and doesn't have the problem. There are over a dozen strains of the yeast which normally causes the problem, and only a handful of those strains are troublesome in humans. I can't claim familiarity with the results, and it will never be researched, but replacing "bad" strains of ubiquitous organisms with "good" strains of the same organisms has been successful in many other conditions. If able to live with the discoloration, there are dyes that will kill off the yeast, but without reseeding, there is nothing to stop it from coming back (everyone has at least one strain, usually a "good" one, unless in the same household).

Assuming I recall correctly, the problem arises when growth conditions (e.g. due to heat) allows the hyaline phase to grow faster than the skin is being shed, prompting an immune response. The organism is not viable inside our bodies when we are healthy, but it can still cause inflammation and itching. From this, the minor points of strategy present themselves. Keep the hair short if you can. Wipe excess sweat and sebum from the scalp with a non-abrasive cloth. Get rid of any dandruff before going to bed or otherwise resting your head in some place. Rinse with cold water after showering to close off pores and temporarily retard growth. Apply a fresh towel to your pillow each night, and remove it the following morning. Reduce intake of sugar and increase water intake. Replace antiperspirant with deodorant to improve natural cooling, and use wicking fabrics for the innermost layer of clothing. Keep the house cooler, especially at night. If you don't have an A/C unit, look into simple cooling techniques, like hanging a dark wet cloth in front of a fan that directs the air out of the house ("evaporative cooling").

Your body has ample mechanisms to keep such things in check, but often they need a boost, and sometimes you need a supplement (e.g. selenium disulfide).

Personally, I am quite fond of selenium disulfide as a solution, though it should be used at least a few times a week, and not stopped, even when the symptoms abate. And if you want to be particularly successful, especially in a period of hot weather, you will want the rest of the household to undergo a short course of the same treatment, as that improves your own outcome. With a bit of attention to the need for adequate duration and indefinite maintenance, even hot weather isn't a major problem. After a couple of months, you can significantly reduce the dose, mixing it in your regular (mild) shampoo. But don't take it out completely, since there is no realistic way to avoid recolonization after stopping.

Like with a lot of other problems, it has significant relapse rates as a direct function of lack of discipline (noncompliance).

Best of luck, in any case.




DesFIP -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 10:18:33 AM)

TFB, use it twice a week not just when the condition recurs. This will prevent it from recurring. Wash the linens and towels in hot (not warm) water and more frequently than you're presently doing them. And yes a new pillow case daily or a towel.

No good using a towel that has the stuff on it on your hair and causing it to flare up again.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 12:29:06 PM)

Des, makes sence. After all if your pillow case is dirty or what not you are essentially rubbing it all over you again.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 1:25:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Mos every time I went to a dr for it, when it fisrt bothered me before I knew what it was, an then again because selsun blue he told me to use burned my skin, an just recently while getting warts burnt they all said it's Sd. So bout 4 dr's said that. The bumps an the dry skin in my hairline an intensity of it upping when stressed or hot an sweaty all match every medical artical I read so far. When I am stressed or it's hot and I am sweaty or approaching time to wash hair again in summer the itching can set in so fast and fierce, it's beyond a 10, it's like a 20.

I suppose there's a chance it could be something else though.


OK, I had terrible skin outbreaks a bunch of years ago, my scalp also got itchy and bumpy, the skin (particularly at the hairline and neck and hands) became dry, flaky and patchy, itched terrible and when I scratched it broke, I slept with cotton gloves to avoid scaring myself in my sleep, went hand in hand with dandruff from hell. I went from dermatologist to dermatologist, it literally drove me nuts, turned out to be neuro-dermatitis, most docs want to treat it with cortisone which is a short time help but worsens the condition long term. A Chinese doc actually sorted me, had me on a restricted diet and each week I could add to it but had to keep a diary, also only could use products without additives like perfume and such, turned out that it's more likely to break out if I eat certain foods, especially sugar and also when I'm under stress. Got it under control now (about 1 outbreak a year and fairly mild compared to getting it once a month and severe).

Maybe it would be an idea to change your life-style and see if it gives you better results long term?




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 1:37:05 PM)

That might help too LadyC. That and staying on top of it better.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 1:40:23 PM)

And not that it prolly matters but I think the pool was some kind of salt saline, not chlorine, because in the wave pool when I got water in my mouth on accident, it was salty tasting, but my head was bothering me befor swimming an was worse after. I will try to always wash hair after pool time saline or chlorine.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 3:02:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

That might help too LadyC. That and staying on top of it better.


Give it a try, the nice additional benefit is that you watch your diet and just tend to live a lot healthier (and cheaper), best advise from a dermatologist was to buy basic products, as they tend to contain less additives and perfumes, if your skin is sensitive you don't want to burden it more. Also washing powder or liquid can make a massive difference, I swapped to "wash nuts" - a product that cleans your clothes and you just put it in a canvas bag and throw it in with the washing, instead of the powders and soaps, no more itches from additives and it cleans the clothes nicely.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 3:56:05 PM)

We already want to watch my diet and health, I am just finding motivation to do so hard. I won't make excuses most of it is laziness and lack of motivation. But we are going to be working on those facts soon hopefully.


So what do they recomend for shampoo and conditioner then? I have heard of a no shampoo thing, where you just use baking soda and apple vinegar to clean the hair, supposedly it's tons better for you an your hair than shampoo.
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze



Give it a try, the nice additional benefit is that you watch your diet and just tend to live a lot healthier





LadyConstanze -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 4:20:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

We already want to watch my diet and health, I am just finding motivation to do so hard. I won't make excuses most of it is laziness and lack of motivation. But we are going to be working on those facts soon hopefully.


So what do they recomend for shampoo and conditioner then? I have heard of a no shampoo thing, where you just use baking soda and apple vinegar to clean the hair, supposedly it's tons better for you an your hair than shampoo.




I haven't heard that but might be worth looking into, I tend to use henna as a conditioner but the neutral one, by aging it and exposing it to light and air, it loses the colour particles, then I mix it with walnut bark (boiled up a few times) and it actually darkens my hair a bit and it feels great and healthy and my scalp doesn't itch at all, it's worth sitting around once a month with mud on your head, apart from that I use mainly baby shampoos or home made conditioners (stuff you find in your kitchen, just google for it), oh and if you find something that works for you, don't swap brands often, skin and scalp react to it.

Look, I know you are having a bit of a weight problem, you want to get on top of it while you are still young, that and the problem with your scalp should give you all the motivation you need. How much better will you feel without an itchy scalp and a few dress sizes less, plus being healthier? Motivation enough? Don't turn it into something bad, feel good about it and reward yourself for reaching goals, think about how much less money you spend on junk food, you can spend that on new clothes that will make you look even better, you will feel so much better eating healthier as you are giving your body the right fuel and your taste buds will change too and you will taste more. Now if that isn't enough motivation, maybe the compliments you will get might be?




DameBruschetta -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 5:55:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Mos every time I went to a dr for it, when it fisrt bothered me before I knew what it was, an then again because selsun blue he told me to use burned my skin, an just recently while getting warts burnt they all said it's Sd. So bout 4 dr's said that. The bumps an the dry skin in my hairline an intensity of it upping when stressed or hot an sweaty all match every medical artical I read so far. When I am stressed or it's hot and I am sweaty or approaching time to wash hair again in summer the itching can set in so fast and fierce, it's beyond a 10, it's like a 20.

I suppose there's a chance it could be something else though.


OK, I had terrible skin outbreaks a bunch of years ago, my scalp also got itchy and bumpy, the skin (particularly at the hairline and neck and hands) became dry, flaky and patchy, itched terrible and when I scratched it broke, I slept with cotton gloves to avoid scaring myself in my sleep, went hand in hand with dandruff from hell. I went from dermatologist to dermatologist, it literally drove me nuts, turned out to be neuro-dermatitis, most docs want to treat it with cortisone which is a short time help but worsens the condition long term. A Chinese doc actually sorted me, had me on a restricted diet and each week I could add to it but had to keep a diary, also only could use products without additives like perfume and such, turned out that it's more likely to break out if I eat certain foods, especially sugar and also when I'm under stress. Got it under control now (about 1 outbreak a year and fairly mild compared to getting it once a month and severe).

Maybe it would be an idea to change your life-style and see if it gives you better results long term?


LadyConstanze, we've actually been through the whole SD thing before with TFB in several other threads.  One of the major problems is how often she washes her hair (so far in between that while it is great for the hair its crap for the scalp that never really heals completely) and that she's never committed to using a topical product that doesn't burn her scalp like the selsen blue or even a conditioner that contains similar ingredients which are available here in the US enough to see lasting results.  Treating her dermatitis only once a week (how often she washes her hair - and therefore the scalp) is only minimally effective at keeping the yeast problem at bay.  Considering its summer...  

While I have no doubt this issue might be deeper then it appears we'll never know.

Seriously TFB, have you ever tried the dandruff conditioners?  I bet it would help make a huge difference and you can avoid having to wash your hair as much - so you won't have the issues with your hair drying out.







MstrDennynSlave -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/13/2011 5:57:19 PM)

TPB, I would like to add one thing LadyC's response about watching your diet. Set small, attainalbe goals. Say 1-2lb weight loss a week. If a month seems too long to stay on a diet of healthier eating, set a goal for 2 weeks. Or even 1 week. The main thing is to not set your goals so high or so far out that you get discouraged n give up. I've been there before and am still there. I was losing weight on my diabetic diet for several months. All of a sudden, I started gaining the weight back. But I hadnt changed my diet or anything else. My doctor was running tests for my diabetes and found out my thyroid was non-functiong. Now on meds for that n they are slowly working. Good luck TPB.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Why does Seborrheic dermititis hurt an itch so bad? (7/14/2011 3:57:03 PM)

Conditioners? I never heard of those, just the shampoo's. Selson was really hard on the skin burnt like mad, it's why I don't use that shampoo any more. Nazirol helps and doesn't burn I can even use it on my face. but like I said I didn't know there's a conditioner to the shampoo.
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ORIGINAL: DameBruschetta


Seriously TFB, have you ever tried the dandruff conditioners?  I bet it would help make a huge difference and you can avoid having to wash your hair as much - so you won't have the issues with your hair drying out.







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