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Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol?


Hell yeah! And pass that blunt...
  45% (16)
Not that I smoke, but it's a principle thing, so yes.
  48% (17)
No, this will just complicate things.
  2% (1)
NO! Marijuana is evil!
  2% (1)


Total Votes : 35
(last vote on : 10/8/2012 8:09:52 PM)
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wolfinwool -> Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/12/2011 10:45:54 PM)

So SAFER in Colorado is trying to get a measure on next year's ballot that would legalize and regulate weed like alcohol... 21+ for purchase of limited quantities; regulation of industrial growing, manufacture, and sale; industrial hemp.

First some odd dollars of tax revenue earmarked directly for public schools.

Thoughts?



LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/12/2011 10:55:18 PM)

I like the idea. Anybody ever see "Reefer Madness"? Anybody not seen it??? LOL The powers that be lied about marijuana & its effects & the prohibition laws were passed using those lies. Undoubtedly to create more liquor sales.

Sure there are people who can't handle marijuana just like there are people who can't handle alcohol. Anybody who says that marijuana is safer & that people don't get all angry & weird on it are fooling themselves. But that's no reason for it to be illegal. I've been smoking it for over 4 decades on & off. The only reason that I don't use it right now is because for me it tends to enhance whatever is going on with me. So it doesn't work so well for pain, because it seems to make the pain actually worse. It does help with my Crohn's, however, so I will sometimes use it for that.

The only thing I worry about is quality decreasing with blanket legalization. With the medical marijuana laws in states like Oregon, one can grow one's own & maintain the quality that way.



MrRodgers -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/12/2011 11:04:09 PM)

Of course and about time.

Society has the two most destructive addictive drugs in alcohol and nicotine legal, profitable and taxed. In fact with the advent of prohibition in the 18th amend., congress decided we just had no choice but to raise the federal income tax to replace that lost of revenue from prohibition and no more taxed...liquor.





wolfinwool -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/12/2011 11:20:15 PM)

I'd tend to think that with legalization quality will go up... it's like moonshine vs real liquor. and the bill as written would still allow for personal growers (3 flowering + 3 nonflowering at one time)



LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/12/2011 11:25:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfinwool

I'd tend to think that with legalization quality will go up... it's like moonshine vs real liquor. and the bill as written would still allow for personal growers (3 flowering + 3 nonflowering at one time)


Oh cool!!! I don't live in CO so didn't know how the bill was worded.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 12:51:28 AM)

deregulate them both



DarkSteven -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 1:06:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfinwool

I'd tend to think that with legalization quality will go up... it's like moonshine vs real liquor. and the bill as written would still allow for personal growers (3 flowering + 3 nonflowering at one time)


HB 1284 destroyed the independent growers.  (Background - prior to HB 1284, anyone could grow as long as they had sufficient patients to cover the plants - up to 6 plants per patient.  HB1284 required all commercial growers to be affiliated with a dispensary, a retail enterprise.  They also capped the number of plants at 36 and required the dispensaries to grow their own.  In effect, they took away the growers' previous markets and required them to sell to their own patients only.)

I know several friends that went into growing and spent thousands, just to get regulated out of business.

I favor legalization just because it's so stupid to keep it illegal, and because we might as well legalize and tax the industry instead of letting Mexican drug lords get all the money.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 4:42:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I like the idea. Anybody ever see "Reefer Madness"? Anybody not seen it??? LOL The powers that be lied about marijuana & its effects & the prohibition laws were passed using those lies. Undoubtedly to create more liquor sales.

Sure there are people who can't handle marijuana just like there are people who can't handle alcohol. Anybody who says that marijuana is safer & that people don't get all angry & weird on it are fooling themselves. But that's no reason for it to be illegal. I've been smoking it for over 4 decades on & off. The only reason that I don't use it right now is because for me it tends to enhance whatever is going on with me. So it doesn't work so well for pain, because it seems to make the pain actually worse. It does help with my Crohn's, however, so I will sometimes use it for that.



The only people I've ever seen go off on rages and get really weird are the ones that tend to mix it with other substances, especially booze.



Moonhead -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 5:23:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I like the idea. Anybody ever see "Reefer Madness"? Anybody not seen it??? LOL The powers that be lied about marijuana & its effects & the prohibition laws were passed using those lies. Undoubtedly to create more liquor sales.

The main impression you get from Reefer Madness is that dope destroys your sense of rhythm: the dancing and piano playing in that flick are all over the fookin' place.
The liquor thing is there, but in a different form to the one you suggest. The first scaremongering about druuuuugs (are bad) started after the end of prohibition when a lot of the people who'd been employed under the Volstead act needed to find a new sinecure. Hence, the emphasis of the federal agencies who'd pursued bootleggers was shifted over to druuuuugs, instead.

In my experience dope makes you paranoid (and sleepy, and hungry) rather than angry, but maybe I just wasn't getting the good shit back when I still indulged.

BTW: Steven has (as he often does) the rightest comment in the thread thus far. Legalising and taxing dope wouldn't raise as much money as doing the same for cocaine would, but it'd still raise plenty, and stop huge sums of money slipping across the border to Mexico, which I'd have thought the Republican massive (and particularly the closed borders paranoid element, who clearly smoke far too much) would be all for.



MasterG2kTR -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 7:31:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
BTW: Steven has (as he often does) the rightest comment in the thread thus far. Legalising and taxing dope wouldn't raise as much money as doing the same for cocaine would, but it'd still raise plenty, and stop huge sums of money slipping across the border to Mexico, which I'd have thought the Republican massive (and particularly the closed borders paranoid element, who clearly smoke far too much) would be all for.


Quite right about Steven's comment being spot on. However, you miss a big part of the picture here (bold text). The big win on this is not just the tax revenue, but also the eliminated need for law enforcement, time wasted in the courts, reduced crowding in prisons and the eliminated burden on the taxpayers to house said criminals. Below is an excerpt from a research paper I just finished for school. The data quoted comes from Time Magazine.

There are currently approximately 700,000 people in prisons for Marijuana related offenses. The burden to the taxpayer would be alleviated with no need for law enforcement officers time, reduced criminal cases in the courts, and reduced crowding and housing in prisons.  The bottom line savings to the taxpayer is staggering. We spend $68 billion per year on corrections, and one-third of those being corrected are serving time for nonviolent drug crimes. We spend about $150 billion on policing and courts, and 47.5% of all drug arrests are marijuana-related.

So please tell me again how legalizing marijuana won't raise much money??!! We're talking about approximately $95 billion saved each year (factoring the figures above). I'd call that a HUGE win!



LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 8:29:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I like the idea. Anybody ever see "Reefer Madness"? Anybody not seen it??? LOL The powers that be lied about marijuana & its effects & the prohibition laws were passed using those lies. Undoubtedly to create more liquor sales.

Sure there are people who can't handle marijuana just like there are people who can't handle alcohol. Anybody who says that marijuana is safer & that people don't get all angry & weird on it are fooling themselves. But that's no reason for it to be illegal. I've been smoking it for over 4 decades on & off. The only reason that I don't use it right now is because for me it tends to enhance whatever is going on with me. So it doesn't work so well for pain, because it seems to make the pain actually worse. It does help with my Crohn's, however, so I will sometimes use it for that.



The only people I've ever seen go off on rages and get really weird are the ones that tend to mix it with other substances, especially booze.



My experiences have been different from yours.



DesFIP -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 10:40:49 AM)

If they add to it the proviso that Portugal did. You can buy drugs, after presenting id, but you have to go through drug education and treatment. I suppose if you only bought a little once a month then you wouldn't be classified as in need of treatment. They've eliminated many drug dealers, drug related crimes, and rates of addiction have gone down significantly. It takes some people four or five rounds but eventually it works.



KeriB -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 10:46:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfinwool

So SAFER in Colorado is trying to get a measure on next year's ballot that would legalize and regulate weed like alcohol... 21+ for purchase of limited quantities; regulation of industrial growing, manufacture, and sale; industrial hemp.

First some odd dollars of tax revenue earmarked directly for public schools.

Thoughts?




Hahaha I love this idea, well until they come to school stoned and then use the logic of well I'm helping to pay for the education system. So, bug off and pass me.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 10:52:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis


My experiences have been different from yours.


Obviously, but having worked in the music and publishing industry, there are a lot of stoners about, the problems were with the guys who had drinking problems, you had to be careful what you said in interviews as they tended to fly into rages (not quite as bad as the coke heads and speed freaks but it was a bit of ''handle with care''), the stoners usually were a bit late and not really bothered.

As I said, the only ones on pot or MJ that I saw freak out and get angry had mixed their drugs a bit and were quite multitoxic - which isn't unusual for somebody with an addictive personality.



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 11:29:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

As I said, the only ones on pot or MJ that I saw freak out and get angry had mixed their drugs a bit and were quite multitoxic - which isn't unusual for somebody with an addictive personality.



As a former pothead, I have to agree with the above. When I only indulged in the herbal, I was as mellow as a person could be. Only when I was at a hose party and I was mixing my alcohol intake with different smokables and the occasional pill did I become more aggressive and borderline violent. Even now if I indulge in the rare toke, it isn't long before I just want to curl up and have a nap!

I would like to see marijuana laws regulated though I also can see potential problems if and when marijuana does become decriminalized.



rulemylife -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 11:46:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KeriB


quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfinwool

So SAFER in Colorado is trying to get a measure on next year's ballot that would legalize and regulate weed like alcohol... 21+ for purchase of limited quantities; regulation of industrial growing, manufacture, and sale; industrial hemp.

First some odd dollars of tax revenue earmarked directly for public schools.

Thoughts?




Hahaha I love this idea, well until they come to school stoned and then use the logic of well I'm helping to pay for the education system. So, bug off and pass me.


Hahaha, those that come to school stoned are already doing it and will continue to do so.

Legal or illegal changes nothing.

The only thing it changes is whether we are going to continue to waste money on a policy with no hope of success.



KeriB -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 11:55:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: KeriB


quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfinwool

So SAFER in Colorado is trying to get a measure on next year's ballot that would legalize and regulate weed like alcohol... 21+ for purchase of limited quantities; regulation of industrial growing, manufacture, and sale; industrial hemp.

First some odd dollars of tax revenue earmarked directly for public schools.

Thoughts?




Hahaha I love this idea, well until they come to school stoned and then use the logic of well I'm helping to pay for the education system. So, bug off and pass me.


Hahaha, those that come to school stoned are already doing it and will continue to do so.

Legal or illegal changes nothing.

The only thing it changes is whether we are going to continue to waste money on a policy with no hope of success.



It was more about the excuse they will use, rather than them coming stoned. I think it should be legal and regulated, however the one's that do come stoned to provide some interesting Entertainment.



Moonhead -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 1:58:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR
Quite right about Steven's comment being spot on. However, you miss a big part of the picture here (bold text). The big win on this is not just the tax revenue, but also the eliminated need for law enforcement, time wasted in the courts, reduced crowding in prisons and the eliminated burden on the taxpayers to house said criminals. Below is an excerpt from a research paper I just finished for school. The data quoted comes from Time Magazine.

There are currently approximately 700,000 people in prisons for Marijuana related offenses. The burden to the taxpayer would be alleviated with no need for law enforcement officers time, reduced criminal cases in the courts, and reduced crowding and housing in prisons.  The bottom line savings to the taxpayer is staggering. We spend $68 billion per year on corrections, and one-third of those being corrected are serving time for nonviolent drug crimes. We spend about $150 billion on policing and courts, and 47.5% of all drug arrests are marijuana-related.

So please tell me again how legalizing marijuana won't raise much money??!! We're talking about approximately $95 billion saved each year (factoring the figures above). I'd call that a HUGE win!


Absolutely. I was forgetting the savings in that respect, but my point was just that there's more cokeheads than potheads these days, so there'd be a bigger slice of tax from that, particularly as it tends to go for a bit more. As you say, cutting policing and imprisonment costs would be a huge win in both cases.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 3:50:13 PM)

quote:

So please tell me again how legalizing marijuana won't raise much money??!! We're talking about approximately $95 billion saved each year (factoring the figures above). I'd call that a HUGE win!
exactly, so just fucking legalize all of it. imagine the fucking savings if there were no drug laws.



wolfinwool -> RE: Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol? (7/13/2011 11:35:37 PM)

Furthur information...

for the initiative: www.regulatemarijuana.org

I've gotten on board to collect some signatures. Ironically enough I've been finding smoking decreasingly pleasant lately. Almost suggesting it's own disuse.

I think this will make it harder for the underage to gain access. Which is good, cuz even though weed isn't the devil it's made out to be, bathing a brain in ANY chemical is bound to have effects outstripping the duration of the high, especially when your grey matter is still 'settling.'



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