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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:15:55 AM   
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WTF? What if he sprouted wings, began to walk on all fours, and converted to Mormonism?

Hypotheticals are too easy.

Let me sum up your argument and the counter to it.

Your argument is that he is a piece of trash. Which is true, but it doesn't change the fact that the officers, who should IMO be held to a higher standard than average citizens, broke the law when they beat him. The beating was done when he was defenseless.

When the verdict was announced, it incited outrage. The rioters felt that the justice system had failed them, so they expressed themselves illegally.

Let me sum it up for you:

King - piece of crap.
Beating officers - pieces of crap.
Justice system that acquitted them - piece of crap.
Rioters - Pissed off pieces of crap.

I believe that you are arguing over the relative crappiness of various pieces.


THIS! and in answer to your post Lisa, I understand restraining someone who doesn't stop immediately. I DON'T understand beating him like they did. My response to those other cases is the same, they should never have happened, there is simply no excuse! NONE


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:17:50 AM   
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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:23:41 AM   
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Well again, as I said, I'm not excusing the excessive use of force but he created the situation that caused the outcome.


But you are excusing it. People are arrested for reckless driving all the time and yet they don't get the beating he did.



EXACTLY!!!

cripes man.

anyway, DS is basically right on.


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:30:21 AM   
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I got lost in Watts in 86.   The guy who helped me figure out the way to my destination- told me that there would be riots again-  it was only a question as to when.   The guy was helpful-- I was a lost tourist and I appreciate that he sent me on my way.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:30:56 AM   
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It would not have happened if he had pulled over instead of fleeing from the police on a high-speed chase in excess of 100 mph.



considering that it also happens to people who AREN'T fleeing at 100 mph, i don't really think it would have made a difference.




But he was.

Let me ask you something.  What if he had plowed into another car during that chase and killed a young child?  Would you still be viewing him as a victim?



WTF?  What if he sprouted wings, began to walk on all fours, and converted to Mormonism?

Hypotheticals are too easy.

Let me sum up your argument and the counter to it.

Your argument is that he is a piece of trash.  Which is true, but it doesn't change the fact that the officers, who should IMO be held to a higher standard than average citizens, broke the law when they beat him.  The beating was done when he was defenseless.

When the verdict was announced, it incited outrage.  The rioters felt that the justice system had failed them, so they expressed themselves illegally.

Let me sum it up for you:

King - piece of crap.
Beating officers - pieces of crap.
Justice system that acquitted them - piece of crap.
Rioters - Pissed off pieces of crap.

I believe that you are arguing over the relative crappiness of various pieces.



It's not a hypothetical.

According to police reports he was going up to 117 mph. 

Do you think at that speed there was a high probability of an accident?

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:35:05 AM   
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Rioting is just an excuse for people to take out their frustrations in their own life and blame it on something or someone else.


Comments like these show me how people from certain socio-economic backgrounds think they know about what goes on in other people's shoes when they have never walked a block in them, much less a mile.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:37:23 AM   
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It's not a hypothetical.

According to police reports he was going up to 117 mph.

Do you think at that speed there was a high probability of an accident?


And yet people who speed like that are taken into custody without being beaten to the point Rodney King was. Funny how that happens huh?


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:37:59 AM   
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Let me ask you something.  What if he had plowed into another car during that chase and killed a young child?  Would you still be viewing him as a victim?


THAT is a hypothetical.

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It's not a hypothetical.



Yes, it is.


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:38:39 AM   
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This is the douchebag that people rioted in support of.

55 dead, more than 2,000 injured and property damage in excess of $1B. All over this guy. Amazing.



I wonder, should Mel Gibson have his head bashed in for drunk driving and being a drunk prick? Or only "scary" Black men?

How you can even begin to think it is okay to almost murder someone over a traffic stop is unfathomable to me. How you can justify that sort of brutality because an alcoholic was drinking and driving is also beyond me. I do not see you advocating beating other drunk drivers...

The OP smacks of racism to me


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:44:35 AM   
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Well again, as I said, I'm not excusing the excessive use of force but he created the situation that caused the outcome.


But you are excusing it. People are arrested for reckless driving all the time and yet they don't get the beating he did.



As long as we are talking excusing things, what is the excuse for his behavior?

And we are not talking just reckless driving, we are talking about a high speed police chase.

Don't most people pull over when they see those flashing lights?

And I have said repeatedly that I am not condoning the behavior of the officers involved.

What I am saying, which you seem to be ignoring, is that none of this would have happened if he simply pulled over.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:48:11 AM   
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What I am saying, which you seem to be ignoring, is that none of this would have happened if he simply pulled over.


Yeah, maybe but not necessarily. His reckless driving gave them an excuse. Who's to say they wouldn't have found another excuse. We are both speculating.


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:49:02 AM   
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Let me ask you something.  What if he had plowed into another car during that chase and killed a young child?  Would you still be viewing him as a victim?


THAT is a hypothetical.

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It's not a hypothetical.



Yes, it is.



Are we back in grade school?



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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 7:52:46 AM   
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What I am saying, which you seem to be ignoring, is that none of this would have happened if he simply pulled over.


Yeah, maybe but not necessarily. His reckless driving gave them an excuse. Who's to say they wouldn't have found another excuse. We are both speculating.



Gave them an excuse????????????????

Well shit, I hope that if there is some drunk driving at 100 mph near me that would be a damn good excuse for the police to intervene.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 8:03:13 AM   
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~head desk~ yeah gave them an excuse because believe it or not there are racist cops who look for an excuse to beat on black men.

There is a difference between arresting someone for reckless driving and beating the shit out of him


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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 8:07:18 AM   
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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 8:55:36 AM   
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the rodney king beating and aftermath was not a single event just focusing on one man.
in the weeks leading up to this, we had a rising number of police brutality claims.

there was footage from a few cases of white police officers beating african-american men and boys...all unarmed.
those daring to shoot the videos were being harassed and threatened.

rodney king, while unarmed, was hit 56 times with batons before taken into custody. he was outnumbered 5 to 1.
most of us in the city were outraged.

AND THEN...the court case was moved to simi valley, which was in ventura county, NOT los angeles. simi valley at the time was long known for being the KKK capital of california. again, there was outrage from the residents of los angeles. this seemed convenient...moving the case from a rich multicultural city, to a white suburb in another county known for not only its racist ties, but also for being a community where law enforcement lived and played in large numbers.

the trial did not disappoint. the simi valley community did what we knew it would and let all of those officers off the hook. it was yet another case where the justice system took care of itself, and ignored the rights and the needs of its citizens.

for any who think the actions of the police were just, i welcome you to familiarize yourself with the Christopher Commission and its findings.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 9:01:47 AM   
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Let me ask you something.  What if he had plowed into another car during that chase and killed a young child?  Would you still be viewing him as a victim?


THAT is a hypothetical.

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It's not a hypothetical.



Yes, it is.



Are we back in grade school?





Please tell me how else I could have made my point.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 9:12:01 AM   
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as a native angelino, i'm jumping into this one...

the rodney king beating and aftermath was not a single event just focusing on one man.
in the weeks leading up to this, we had a rising number of police brutality claims.

there was footage from a few cases of white police officers beating african-american men and boys...all unarmed.
those daring to shoot the videos were being harassed and threatened.

rodney king, while unarmed, was hit 56 times with batons before taken into custody. he was outnumbered 5 to 1.
most of us in the city were outraged.

AND THEN...the court case was moved to simi valley, which was in ventura county, NOT los angeles. simi valley at the time was long known for being the KKK capital of california. again, there was outrage from the residents of los angeles. this seemed convenient...moving the case from a rich multicultural city, to a white suburb in another county known for not only its racist ties, but also for being a community where law enforcement lived and played in large numbers.

the trial did not disappoint. the simi valley community did what we knew it would and let all of those officers off the hook. it was yet another case where the justice system took care of itself, and ignored the rights and the needs of its citizens.

for any who think the actions of the police were just, i welcome you to familiarize yourself with the Christopher Commission and its findings.


Thank you for this. No incident is ever simple. The riots weren't actually caused by Rodney King's actions, but by the police actions that had been leading up to this one incident.

And the news media hasn't failed me on this one. My theory is that the news media puts out there whatever they want to get us upset about. If this had been one of the other black men who'd been beaten by the police but not publicized to the extent Mr. King was, we would never have read about it. But because it is about this one particular man, they chose to publicize it & their decision has resulted in just what they'd hoped for: a bunch of upset people arguing about this.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 9:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know I'm glad that Rodney King's beating was publicized. It's harder to deny police brutality when it's staring at you from your TV or newspaper.

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RE: Rodney King arrested yet again. - 7/13/2011 9:27:42 AM   
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You know I'm glad that Rodney King's beating was publicized. It's harder to deny police brutality when it's staring at you from your TV or newspaper.


and no, it's really not. it still happens today and people still deny it today. they make excuses like "well if he hadn't been standing out there" or "well if he had just done XYZ" blah blah blah -- just like you were doing earlier. =p

and the police almost always get away with it. it's actually pretty easy for most people to ignore i think.


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