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Anaxagoras -> RE: What is wrong with people? (7/14/2011 6:03:18 AM)
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I am Jewish and familiar with the Hassidic sect to a degree. One thing I agree with is that no matter what your ethnicity, religion, status, sex, intelligence level, income level, whatever, there are evil people in every group.
One thing about the Hassidic group, they are very hidden and protect their citizens. It is like a secret society. They are extremely misogynistic and there is a huge amount of spousal abuse, use of prostitutes, etc. with them as much as anyone else.
There was a very eye opening article in New York magazine a few years ago written by a woman who was a member of the sect and her husband beat her and abused her. She wanted a divorce. In that sector, a divorce is not easy to get. To make a long story short, the sect protected the husband and would not allow the wife to have a "get" which is the only divorce recognizedd (a Hassidic Rabbi has to grant it even if you get a lawyer and get a legal divorce).
They basically took her children away from her and threw her out of the community. It was horrific. She was the victim.
I don't care what religion they are. And this is not about being Jewish, this is a specific sect within the Jewish religion. It is not the same as being Orthodox. My grandparents were Orthodox and nothing like the Hassidic Jews.
My knowledge of Judaism is limited but from what I have read there does seem to be a massive difference between orthodox and ultra-orthodox. I remember documentaries from Israel about the goings on of the ultra-orthodox where they had their own distinct areas of Jerusalem where women were expected to dress "decently" and they are the ones behind the remarkable phenomenon of the gender segregated bus! Women that left were completely excluded. I don't want to demonise these people as I'm sure some are very sincere but it must be hard especially for women. The few people I know who visited those areas when in Israel remarked quite a lot on how miserable these women looked!
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One, I believe in the death penalty for killing a child. I don't care if he is insane, he killed an innocent child.
So I have no sympathy for the fuck who killed this child.
Justice seems to be largely predicated on the idea that people can tell right from wrong. Laws are designed to discourage what society deems to be wrongful behaviour as much as to punish for the sake of victims, and even punishment is an inducement to abide by laws. If this individual really did have a psycotic break then his ability to tell right from wrong was probably gone. Anyone who commits such an awful sickening act couldn't be viewed with sympathy and neither should they escape punishment but the difference between say a cold blooded killer who knowingly butchers a child and someone who has a full mental breakdown and does the same thing would seem to be on a very different level of evil.
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