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erieangel -> Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/14/2011 5:49:19 PM)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/business_community_to_congress030826.php


I found this paragraph especially interesting:

The businesses involved in this effort didn’t present a blueprint for a possible debt-reduction plan, and were silent on revenues or cuts-to-savings ratio. The reason is simple: they don’t much care. The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling; how members get to “yes” is irrelevant.


This seems to imply there are actually some -gasp- business leaders who wouldn't mind higher taxes.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/14/2011 7:53:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/business_community_to_congress030826.php


I found this paragraph especially interesting:

The businesses involved in this effort didn’t present a blueprint for a possible debt-reduction plan, and were silent on revenues or cuts-to-savings ratio. The reason is simple: they don’t much care. The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling; how members get to “yes” is irrelevant.


This seems to imply there are actually some -gasp- business leaders who wouldn't mind higher taxes.


Why should they care, this Administration will bail them out anyway.
Its called moral hazard.




DarkSteven -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/14/2011 8:00:48 PM)

It's not that they want higher taxes.  It's just that they'll get hurt badly if the US defaults.

It's a multihanded game of chicken.

And to answer your question - it's mostly Grover Norquist telling the GOP what to do.  That one man has so terrified all the little weenies that they'd rather hurt the country than get on his bad side.




erieangel -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/14/2011 8:49:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's not that they want higher taxes.  It's just that they'll get hurt badly if the US defaults.

It's a multihanded game of chicken.

And to answer your question - it's mostly Grover Norquist telling the GOP what to do.  That one man has so terrified all the little weenies that they'd rather hurt the country than get on his bad side.




I never said they wanted higher taxes, just that it seems they don't see where taxes are so evil and could live with it if they were raised. And yeah, I know old Grover is the most powerful man within the ranks of the GOP.




mnottertail -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 6:23:24 AM)

It is because they are sitting on stocks and bonds that they dont want to fucking tank.




farglebargle -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 6:26:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's not that they want higher taxes.  It's just that they'll get hurt badly if the US defaults.

It's a multihanded game of chicken.

And to answer your question - it's mostly Grover Norquist telling the GOP what to do.  That one man has so terrified all the little weenies that they'd rather hurt the country than get on his bad side.




I never said they wanted higher taxes, just that it seems they don't see where taxes are so evil and could live with it if they were raised. And yeah, I know old Grover is the most powerful man within the ranks of the GOP.



Taxes aren't evil. They're the price you pay for Civilization. Me? I like the streetlights to be on all night....




RacerJim -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 6:49:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/business_community_to_congress030826.php


I found this paragraph especially interesting:

The businesses involved in this effort didn’t present a blueprint for a possible debt-reduction plan, and were silent on revenues or cuts-to-savings ratio. The reason is simple: they don’t much care. The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling; how members get to “yes” is irrelevant.


This seems to imply there are actually some -gasp- business leaders who wouldn't mind higher taxes.

It just as much seems to imply there a actually some -gasp- business leaders who wounldn't mind more government handouts.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 6:54:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/business_community_to_congress030826.php


I found this paragraph especially interesting:

The businesses involved in this effort didn’t present a blueprint for a possible debt-reduction plan, and were silent on revenues or cuts-to-savings ratio. The reason is simple: they don’t much care. The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling; how members get to “yes” is irrelevant.


This seems to imply there are actually some -gasp- business leaders who wouldn't mind higher taxes.

It just as much seems to imply there a actually some -gasp- business leaders who wounldn't mind more government handouts.


If they're going to the GOP for them, they're in the right place.




Anarrus -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 7:22:21 AM)

erie, thanks for posting the link.

These two paragraphs sum it up rather well.

"So, let’s see. Wall Street wants Republicans to stop screwing around. The business community wants Republicans to stop screwing around. Global investors want Republicans to stop screwing around. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department want Republicans to stop screwing around.

But unhinged and uninformed right-wing activists want Republicans to keep pushing their — and our — luck. As of this morning, the congressional GOP is only listening to the activists."





Musicmystery -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 12:15:15 PM)

And that, folks, is the problem with the "just throw the bums out" philosophy of voting.

These results.




erieangel -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/15/2011 6:35:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Anarrus

erie, thanks for posting the link.

These two paragraphs sum it up rather well.

"So, let’s see. Wall Street wants Republicans to stop screwing around. The business community wants Republicans to stop screwing around. Global investors want Republicans to stop screwing around. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department want Republicans to stop screwing around.

But unhinged and uninformed right-wing activists want Republicans to keep pushing their — and our — luck. As of this morning, the congressional GOP is only listening to the activists."






The last sentence is what lead to my question in the thread title.




rawtape -> RE: Just who is telling the GOP what to do? (7/16/2011 6:37:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
It's not that they want higher taxes.  It's just that they'll get hurt badly if the US defaults.
It's a multihanded game of chicken.

Precisely.

quote:

And to answer your question - it's mostly Grover Norquist telling the GOP what to do.  That one man has so terrified all the little weenies that they'd rather hurt the country than get on his bad side.

Steven, I'd suggest that the Koch brothers have also been playing a major behind-the-scenes role in influencing the GOP (and the Tea Party) recently.




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