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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:11:33 PM   
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Perhaps I would, but your statement certainly doesnt refute mine. "Dignity in being able to work a job" is not the same as "Gratitude to be a part of America". Show me THAT ethnographic study.


Get back to me when you read it

http://www.amazon.com/No-Shame-My-Game-Working/dp/0375703799


Get back to me when you cite something from it that is on topic.

And Im still comfortable with my wager: FACT: Gallup found that Conservatives were twice as likely to be extremely proud to be an American (not quite the same as grateful, but close enough) as Liberals. FACT: Liberalism is negatively correlated to income. CONCLUSION: Pride in America is likely to be postively correlated income.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:13:11 PM   
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EVERYONE is a "job creator." There's a need, you've got the solution--that's a market. Those who complain "I'm smart and talented but I can't find work" is either not as smart/talented as they imagined or are waiting for someone else to come along and solve their problems for them.


I would agree, and I have created my own work, and was making a profit at my business within a year.... meaning I was in the black, and had already paid back my capital investment, plus....

But that does not mean that there isn't any reason to work for others and with others in a venture, or that the labor that is invested by the worker isn't valuable and unworthy of appreciation.

But then I didn't say that. In fact, I've said the opposite in this thread.


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The "Job Creators" don't get any sympathy from me either. An established business that "can't function in this environment" has leaders who forgot everything they may have once learned about business. Markets change. Good business people are on top of this. The rest whine about the economy, government, poor labor force, etc.


Those who employ workers in large numbers have that workforce educated by the state. That education is something that they do not pay for, yet they employ people that have it. In other words, an educated workforce is a subsidy to business....

Yes, they DO pay for it, in property taxes, just as you do, either directly or through rent.


My larger point, which I do not think that you got it, is that the employ/employer relationship is symbiotic, and both rely on each other.

Of course I "got" it. I even said so in this thread.


If employers are not willing to be appreciative of their educated workforce and treat them as though they are just parts in a machine, then it has become a parasitic relationship.... especially when they are profiting more than their workers off the means of production, and dehumanizing them in the process...

Again, I've already addressed this directly in this thread. You seem determined to "set me straight" without reading what I've already written.


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Peter Drucker, 60 years ago, stressed that labor is a resource (vs. a cost drag). Good business leaders know this--and use it.



Too bad the economy exists to enrich the few, and the rest are just resources instead of people. This comes down to the basic values or ethical foundation... does an economy exist for society, or for the individual

That's one large assumption--where'd you get that idea? Or the idea people aren't enriched?



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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:23:23 PM   
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Wilbur hasn't seen gratitude since the beatific adoration of his buddies from his patching up claymore mine gutshots in Vietnam.


Too freaking funny


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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:24:32 PM   
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Get back to me when you cite something from it that is on topic.


Oh, you poor unfortunate.... you did not read the book description, did you?

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:25:55 PM   
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I was responding to your post, I was not intending to dispute you

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:28:36 PM   
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Wilbur hasn't seen gratitude since the beatific adoration of his buddies from his patching up claymore mine gutshots in Vietnam.


Too freaking funny



My patients were burn victims, and not the least bit funny. As sick as moonhead's anti-Semitic and anti-American remarks. Thats why MnUtterfool is on ignore too.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:29:40 PM   
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Get back to me when you cite something from it that is on topic.


Oh, you poor unfortunate.... you did not read the book description, did you?


Oh you poor unfortunate, either you didnt read the book description yourself or you are moving the goalposts on your statement.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:42:31 PM   
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Wilbur hasn't seen gratitude since the beatific adoration of his buddies from his patching up claymore mine gutshots in Vietnam.


Too freaking funny



My patients were burn victims, and not the least bit funny. As sick as moonhead's anti-Semitic and anti-American remarks. Thats why MnUtterfool is on ignore too.



My uncle was in Vietnam. He was a gunner on a helicopter. He joined, he was not drafted, and he did two tours.... My family is very proud of his service and of his Purple Heart...

Now, I am very doubtful that there was a 19 year old army medic serving in the field in 1972...

And since you claim to be a millionaire, etc, I do not believe you...



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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 12:44:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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Wilbur hasn't seen gratitude since the beatific adoration of his buddies from his patching up claymore mine gutshots in Vietnam.


Too freaking funny



My patients were burn victims, and not the least bit funny. As sick as moonhead's anti-Semitic and anti-American remarks. Thats why MnUtterfool is on ignore too.



My uncle was in Vietnam. He was a gunner on a helicopter. He joined, he was not drafted, and he did two tours.... My family is very proud of his service and of his Purple Heart...

Now, I am very doubtful that there was a 19 year old army medic serving in the field in 1972...

And since you claim to be a millionaire, etc, I do not believe you...




I could give a fuck what you believe. I dont believe you could run a business profitably, so what. the difference is Im willing to prove everything I say about myself. And I was 20 when I was in AIT. What do you think the average age of enlistees was in 1972?



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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 1:14:41 PM   
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I think the war was over before you could treat anyone in the field.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 1:25:39 PM   
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Wilbur hasn't seen gratitude since the beatific adoration of his buddies from his patching up claymore mine gutshots in Vietnam.


Too freaking funny



My patients were burn victims, and not the least bit funny. As sick as moonhead's anti-Semitic and anti-American remarks. Thats why MnUtterfool is on ignore too.


From the pen of this site's ultimate anti-American. 

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:04:03 PM   
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What do you think the average age of enlistees was in 1972?

17-19 I should think for enlistees.  Aug 71 and what like Apr 72 were the last draft picks at 19, so looking at that.........

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:05:49 PM   
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Now, I am very doubtful that there was a 19 year old army medic serving in the field in 1972...

And since you claim to be a millionaire, etc, I do not believe you...


Isn't it always funny that one can never mention a topic wilbur hasn't done or isn't an expert on.




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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:13:00 PM   
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I think the war was over before you could treat anyone in the field.


Who said anything about the field? I was based in a hospital.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:14:15 PM   
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And I was 20 when I was in AIT.

Which is a bit fishy, as you'd need to be a year or two older to have finished a medical degree.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:17:05 PM   
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Now, I am very doubtful that there was a 19 year old army medic serving in the field in 1972...

And since you claim to be a millionaire, etc, I do not believe you...


Isn't it always funny that one can never mention a topic wilbur hasn't done or isn't an expert on.

Not true: he may lie a lot, but he's crap at it.



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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:17:35 PM   
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a medic for AIT (military: Advanced Individual Training) only went thru what 2-3 months.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:19:27 PM   
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Right. My bad, I assumed that he had a full medical degree rather than a first aid course.

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RE: A Question About Being Labor versus Being an Owner - 7/22/2011 2:37:20 PM   
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This thread has enough posts that could be deleted, to be removed from the forum. It will be locked until it can be further reviewed, cleaned up or removed.

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