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Fightdirecto -> What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 7:38:48 AM)
quote: It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that toward the payment of debts there must be revenue, that to have revenue there must be taxes, that no taxes can be devised which are not considered more or less inconvenient and un pleasant. Answer will be given later in this thread.

Musicmystery -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 7:52:01 AM)
Everyone here has Google...you know that, right?

kalikshama -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:06:30 AM)
I'm refraining from cheating (googling) and going with a Founding Father.

MrRodgers -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:10:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto quote: It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that toward the payment of debts there must be revenue, that to have revenue there must be taxes, that no taxes can be devised which are not considered more or less inconvenient and un pleasant. Answer will be given later in this thread. I can say without looking who mostly likely didn't say it. Hamilton, Washington, (?) Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. etc. Who was most likely to say it was either Franklin, Jefferson or even Adams.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:12:46 AM)
FR Doesnt matter who said it. It is so patently obvious that any 6th grader could have said it. It is tautological. Its on a level of Geithner this morning: CC: Will unemployment in 2012 have an 8 or a 9 in front of it? TG: It depends on how fast we grow. Brilliant.

Fightdirecto -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:22:50 AM)
What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American politician said this? quote: It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that toward the payment of debts there must be revenue, that to have revenue there must be taxes, that no taxes can be devised which are not considered more or less inconvenient and un pleasant. The answer: President George Washington , in his Farewell Address, 1796.

imperatrixx -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:23:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers I can say without looking who mostly likely didn't say it. Hamilton, Washington, (?) Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. etc. Who was most likely to say it was either Franklin, Jefferson or even Adams. You would be wrong. http://www.pbs.org/georgewashington/milestones/farewell_address_read3.html

Fightdirecto -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:24:12 AM)
Today, we have American people (and the politicians that pander to them) who say the country does not have to pay it's debts, that defaulting on the country's debts is a good thing and not a bad thing, that the country does not need any revenue (the government has scads of cash magically hidden away somewhere and it will appear when the country needs it) and that any and all taxes that do not provide a service to them personally (even though that service provides for their fellow citizens) are an un-fair attack on the sanctity of their wallets. For example, on a micro level, I live in a Massachusetts town that is considered to have some of the best public schools in our state - and, consequently, high school taxes. There is a segment of the people who live here who either do not have children or do not have children in the public schools and argue that they should not have to pay school taxes because the schools do not personally benefit them. This type of "me first, screw everybody else" thinking is what is destroying our country.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:26:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto (and the politicians that pander to them) who say the country does not have to pay it's debts, that defaulting on the country's debts is a good thing and not a bad thing, that the country does not need any revenue Name one.

Fightdirecto -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:37:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto (and the politicians that pander to them) who say the country does not have to pay it's debts, that defaulting on the country's debts is a good thing and not a bad thing, that the country does not need any revenue Name one. Michelle Bachmann, one of the many Republican candiates for President.

rulemylife -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:42:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Everyone here has Google...you know that, right? Google? Never heard of it.

Fightdirecto -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:42:11 AM)
Admission: I have a vested personal interest in the country not going into default - as a military retiree, I rely heavily on my monthly military retirement check, my disability check for service-related medical issues and on the services I receive through the Veteran's Administration - all of which will disappear if the United States defaults. And if the United States defaults, I will put the blame to those Republican legislators who believe their oath to Grover Norquist: quote: I pledge to the taxpayers of the [district or state] and to the American people that I will: ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or business; and TWO, oppose any reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates. is more important than the oath they took when they entered the House or the Senate: quote: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.So help me God. In other words, when these politicians swore before God and their country that they take their obligations “freely” and “without any mental reservation,” they lied under oath (AKA they perjured themselves). How can they claim to face their obligations in Congress freely when they have made a prior pledge they consider unbreakable not to do certain things? They can’t.

Real0ne -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 8:56:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto Today, we have American people (and the politicians that pander to them) who say the country does not have to pay it's debts, that defaulting on the country's debts is a good thing and not a bad thing, that the country does not need any revenue (the government has scads of cash magically hidden away somewhere and it will appear when the country needs it) and that any and all taxes that do not provide a service to them personally (even though that service provides for their fellow citizens) are an un-fair attack on the sanctity of their wallets. For example, on a micro level, I live in a Massachusetts town that is considered to have some of the best public schools in our state - and, consequently, high school taxes. There is a segment of the people who live here who either do not have children or do not have children in the public schools and argue that they should not have to pay school taxes because the schools do not personally benefit them. This type of "me first, screw everybody else" thinking is what is destroying our country. you start out with this: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? then go to the hilited. cognitive dissonance or you just trying to validate handouts? There is NO REASON TO TAX IN THE MODERN SOCIETY OF COMPUTERS. Money is a vote and forced money is no vote. Paying for schools to indoctrinate rather than educate is repugnant. The guv charges people on one hand because they are getting a benefit then turns right around like we just seen in your post and say so what when the people claim they get no benefit and the fucking scum of the earth courts uphold this kind of shit to protect the system. This country has defaulted 3 times before on their debts and you apparently are none the wiser.

Real0ne -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:01:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto Admission: I have a vested personal interest in the country not going into default Thats why we went into iraq. We went into Afghanistan for the brits, and iraq for the US for collateral to hold the money supply up for a few more years. We now own iraq by the doctrine of "conquest", and we will now collect income off of that conquest under the doctrine of "eminent domain" to pay our creditors for a few more years. (well more like enforce payment than collect) THAT is why we install wonderful democracies in these countries. So we can control them. Surprised? LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxfe7DMxVo quote: Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerer of death's construction In the fields the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah! Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor Yeah! Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait 'til their judgement day comes Yeah! Now in darkness, world stops turning Ashes where the bodies burning No more war pigs have the power Hand of God has struck the hour Day of judgement, God is calling On their knees, the war pigs crawling Begging mercies for their sins Satan laughing, spreads his wings OH LORD YEAH! its the same thing that was done un america 200 years ago.

Musicmystery -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imperatrixx quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers I can say without looking who mostly likely didn't say it. Hamilton, Washington, (?) Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. etc. Who was most likely to say it was either Franklin, Jefferson or even Adams. You would be wrong. http://www.pbs.org/georgewashington/milestones/farewell_address_read3.html Actually, you would be wrong. http://books.google.com/books?id=Sd4GU3RhsUAC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=%22+It+is+essential+that+you+should+practically+bear+in+mind+that+toward+the+payment+of+debts+there+must+be+revenue,+that+to+have+revenue+there+must+be+taxes,+that+no+taxes+can+be+devised+which+are+not+considered+more+or+less+inconvenient+and+un+pleasant.%22&source=bl&ots=w9OnIo6edH&sig=gfsPh1Y0RV0lwkWKcNZzkStpJ3Y&hl=en&ei=KUMsTsPIEonL0QGemMDkDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22%20It%20is%20essential%20that%20you%20should%20practically%20bear%20in%20mind%20that%20toward%20the%20payment%20of%20debts%20there%20must%20be%20revenue%2C%20that%20to%20have%20revenue%20there%20must%20be%20taxes%2C%20that%20no%20taxes%20can%20be%20devised%20which%20are%20not%20considered%20more%20or%20less%20inconvenient%20and%20un%20pleasant.%22&f=false [published version, not the oral delivery] It's in your own link too, paragraph six.

lockedaway -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:10:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto quote: It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that toward the payment of debts there must be revenue, that to have revenue there must be taxes, that no taxes can be devised which are not considered more or less inconvenient and un pleasant. Answer will be given later in this thread. Another stupid thread. No one argues against the imposition and collection of taxes. Only an idiot would try to couch the debate in such absolute terms. Oh...not only an idiot, someone who is unethical would too. The issue is what is a fair system of taxation in the U.S. We have millions upon millions of illegals who pay nothing. Is that fair? We have almost 47% of the country that pays nothing. Is THAT fair? We have the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world and manufacturing has been leaving this country steadily. Does anyone think that the shrinkage of our manufacturing base has caused a reduction in available jobs and therefore increased the number of poor in this country? If manufacturing and big industry could be lured back to the U.S., do you think the government would collect more revenue from the taxes paid by the companies, the towns for the property those companies use and the taxes from the millions of people those companies would employ? Don't fall for arguments meant to ensnare fools. The issue is how a fair tax system should be structured. No one in this country that does not suffer from a physical/mental disability, who is not below the age of majority or above retirement age should exempt from contributing to the tax base.

Real0ne -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:13:32 AM)
Washington did NOT sign the declaration of independence. Surprised?

Musicmystery -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:16:01 AM)
No. Why would he? Prior to its work on the Declaration of Independence, the Second Continental Congress included Washington as a congressman from Virginia. But he resigned his position as a delegate when Congress formed the Continental Army and appointed him commanding general on June 14, 1775. So he was unavailable to participate, or to sign the Declaration.

Real0ne -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:17:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway The issue is what is a fair system of taxation in the U.S. We have millions upon millions of illegals who pay nothing. No taxes invoices for services used. this is the modern world of computers. they are a fucking corporation like any other "fucking" corporation. They have embarked on commercial enterprises therefore no longer qualify as gubmint but large corporate enterprises. No taxes, invoices.

Real0ne -> RE: What Commie-Pinko-Socialist-Liberal American Politician Said This? (7/24/2011 9:20:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery No. Why would he? Prior to its work on the Declaration of Independence, the Second Continental Congress included Washington as a congressman from Virginia. But he resigned his position as a delegate when Congress formed the Continental Army and appointed him commanding general on June 14, 1775. So he was unavailable to participate, or to sign the Declaration. No need to make fucking excuses for him. He had his whole lifetime to sign it. No signature shows his standing regardless of how anyone wants to pretty paint and put pink bows on it.

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