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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:03:31 PM

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oh very clever,
*golf clap*
did you think of that all by yourself?
opinions are like assholes, sometimes you shit all over yourself
congrats

This could get bloody. I think Mr. Ed's pet human is back from Hanoi now.

Stop it Hippie, you making me laugh ...now I lost my snit...ah well Im sure someone will be along soon to try and press a button .

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:10:52 PM

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opinions are like assholes, sometimes you shit all over yourself

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I also didnt say it was fact did I??? ... do I need to put up a disclaimer to please you that without links and sources all posts are just opinion???

Are you trying to tell us you had an accident?

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:12:09 PM

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The single biggest driver of Government spending is WAR. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Regan era-cold war spending, and the Bush II era of the Afghan and IRAQ wars each resulted in increased federal spending.

If the US wants a "smaller government" or to trim its budget, it will have to reduce defense spending which is now 2x more than the next 10 ten nations combined defense budgets.

If the US had not upped defense spending under Reagan -- and if the US had left Vietnam and IRAQ alone -- we'd be in better shape. If that money had been spent on public transportation and education -- we'd at least have dividend to show for the taxes collected in those instances.

Popeye says it's illegal alleyans. If we got rid of them our food supply would be safe because they wouldn't be pissing on the lettuce. We could get rid of the Dept. Agriculture and transfer welfare directly to Monsanto, ConAgra, IBP, and all those providers of high-paying jobs and cut out the evil gubbermint middleman. And the FDA too. I don't need safe drugs. If Mexican Tar smack is good enought for East L.A., it's good enough for me. Anyways, diacetylmorphine is waaay cheaper than my prescription pain meds. And if we get rid of all the illegals, people in Georgia would have the ability to drive down to Americus from Atlanta every day and pick cucumbers. It only gets up to 98 or so by mid-day. Make all them welfare cheats drive their own Cadillacs, and make them pay for their own gas and lunches. Cucumbers are 10% off for those who work as "independent contractors" for more than 60 hours per week.

Then they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get rich and rent their own Congressslut.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:18:30 PM

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opinions are like assholes, sometimes you shit all over yourself

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I also didnt say it was fact did I??? ... do I need to put up a disclaimer to please you that without links and sources all posts are just opinion???

Are you trying to tell us you had an accident?

No, what she is trying to tell you is that the Republicans are now acting like they are the only party that is concerned with fiscal responsibility after completely fucking up the country financially during the good ol' "W" era.

You do remember the "W" era, don't you?

It is an intentional and brilliant strategy because only people like yourself, believers or dim wits, would not be able to see it for what it is.

unfortunately this country is teeming with believers and dimwits....Hence the teaparty and popeye.

So please, stop the patronizing bullshit and just admit up to it. Because you are actually smart enough to understand exactly what lucy is alluding too.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:20:24 PM

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...republicans do.

They want smaller govt. that serves everybody else so they can expand govt. that they like where...it serves them. They make bigger things like defense, (wars) CIA, (intelligence (?)) FBI, (to round up people calling them terrorists and hold them indefinitely without charge) Dept of Interior (to pay oil subsidies) and to fuck the Indians and the blacks over, dept of agric. to pay farm subsidies to them as they will soon all be farmers.

You see it is the repubs that most closely understand the game...they are here, not for country, not for society, they are here to...make some fucking money...and they will take the country down as far as needed to do it.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 2:41:54 PM

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The single biggest driver of Government spending is WAR. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Regan era-cold war spending, and the Bush II era Afghan and IRAQ wars each resulted in increased federal spending.

If the US wants a "smaller government" or to trim its budget, it will have to reduce defense spending which is now 2x more than the next 10 ten nations combined defense budgets.

If the US had not upped defense spending under Reagan -- and if the US had left Vietnam and IRAQ alone -- we'd be in better shape. If that money had been spent on public transportation and education -- we'd at least have dividend to show for the taxes collected in those instances.

Cloudboy, we agree! But that also means we need to stop getting involved in the internal squabbles of foreign countries. That's one of the things that causes wars. We put some jet fighters in Saudi Arabia and we get "9/11"
All this interventionism and adventurism is ruining this country yet everytime some foreign country gets in trouble the lefties and the big corporations want us to "do something" about it, one group because they feel "sorry" for them the other to make money from the govt!
Somalia, Sudan, Haiti, Crapistan, Poopistan, they all try to "get the U.S. involved" in their problems!
There was an article in Yahoo last week about how the Haitian govt raised the death figures from "60,000" to "311,000" after their earthquake to get more money from us!!! UFB!
I'm *all* for cutting the military as long as people realize beforehand that if we go from 12 Carrier Battle Groups down to six a lot of things just aren't going to be possable anymore and the same with cutting a few Army Divisions and Air Force Wings.
Who was that blonde lady with the short haircut years ago, "stop the madness!?"
We simply *cannot* take care of foreign countries anymore or start bombing countries that piss us off and have our Troops there as occupation forces for decades!!
We'll go bankrupt! We're close now!
And I also agree with you about rebuilding our infrastructure, roads, bridges, water, sewer, communications lines, transportation.
But not so much on "education" unless we get out of those "free trade" deals and bring back jobs to this country so that high school and college grads can actually get good paying jobs after they graduate. Kids who don't go on to college need good paying manufacturing jobs so they aren't tempted into being drug pushers and criminals.
Many school classes in elementary and high schools have been wittled down to 15 or 20 students and it hasn't made them any smarter.
I know a guy from N.Y.C. who went to a Catholic school in the late 40's and 50's and he said there were seventy (70) kids in his classroom and one Nun!
He went on to become a Teacher in the NYC school system and one of his drinking buddies was fellow Teacher Frank Mc Court of "Angela's Ashes" fame.
And, we still have people alive today who went to one room school houses and got an outstanding educations!
"Throwing money" at problems is what has gotten us into this mess we're in. We need to stop it and get back to basics.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 3:11:17 PM

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No, what she is trying to tell you is that the Republicans are now acting like they are the only party that is concerned with fiscal responsibility after completely fucking up the country financially during the good ol' "W" era.

You do remember the "W" era, don't you?

It is an intentional and brilliant strategy because only people like yourself, believers or dim wits, would not be able to see it for what it is.

unfortunately this country is teeming with believers and dimwits....Hence the teaparty and popeye.

So please, stop the patronizing bullshit and just admit up to it. Because you are actually smart enough to understand exactly what lucy is alluding too.

Lucy isn't alluding to anything. She and others like her are doing exactly what you are doing... demonizing everyone who does not believe as you do. It's all great and good to lay blame, but you know what? Both sides are responsible and it doesn't make one iota of difference to know that.

The issue at hand isn't a matter of who is to blame, it is how to fix the problem. Here is where fundamental differences of opinion arise. No, the "Republicans" aren't acting like they are the only party concerned with fiscal responsibility... they just don't believe that the solutions offered up by the "Democrats" will work. And vice versa.

The ones mainly concerned with blame are the politicians. They are using these differences to bash each other over the head in order to gain power. And you who who buy into it will lose in the end... along with everyone else.

Bitching about who spilt the milk doesn't do one damn productive thing toward cleaning up the mess. Pointing fingers and calling names does nothing more than produce animosity, anger and, in the end, destruction.

If you or anyone else believes this will solve all this Country's problems... keep at it.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 3:21:35 PM

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No, the "Republicans" aren't acting like they are the only party concerned with fiscal responsibility... they just don't believe that the solutions offered up by the "Democrats" will work. And vice versa.

And that's may be the only area where they are both correct in their beliefs.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 8:32:23 PM

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The single biggest driver of Government spending is WAR. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Regan era-cold war spending, and the Bush II era Afghan and IRAQ wars each resulted in increased federal spending.

I disagree. IMO. the biggest driver in Government spending is the use of Big Government by the Right to control the morality of the American people.

Think of all the people doing time in prison, at taxpayer's expense, for use/possession of marijuana, for example.

Think of all the time, effort and taxpayer's money to, up until recently, keep openly gay people out of the military, for example.

Think of the Defense Of Marriage Act, for example.

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 8:36:48 PM

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DOMA and Religious Right Hypocrisy on "Big Government"

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I’m confused. I got an email the other day from Tony Perkins over at the Family Research Council with the blaring headline “Stop Big Government!” Apparently, the Obama administration has plans to hurt good, God-fearing, heterosexual families by taxing the wealthy, asking people to use more energy efficient lightbulbs (which apparently means that every time you screw one in, someone loses a job), and trying to pass laws making it illegal to beat people up because they’re different.

But, then, I go on to read, in another email, about how Perkins and his religious right friends really, really, like it when government—big government—prevents two people from getting married, especially if those two people are both men, or both women...

I’m a little confused—does the religious right hate big government or love it? According to Tony Perkins, big government is “intrusive” and “eats away at your freedoms”—yet Perkins has no trouble with DOMA that intrudes upon the lives of gay and lesbian couples and eats away at their freedoms. That intrusion and loss of freedom often leaves them homeless and in poverty because the lives they have built with their partners, often over many years, have no protection from “big government.”

The bottom line for the religious right appears to be this: “Big government is bad when it regulates what goes on in my wallet, but good when regulates what goes on in someone else’s bedroom.”

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 8:52:23 PM

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The single biggest driver of Government spending is WAR. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Regan era-cold war spending, and the Bush II era Afghan and IRAQ wars each resulted in increased federal spending.

I disagree. IMO. the biggest driver in Government spending is the use of Big Government by the Right to control the morality of the American people.

Think of all the people doing time in prison, at taxpayer's expense, for use/possession of marijuana, for example.

Think of all the time, effort and taxpayer's money to, up until recently, keep openly gay people out of the military, for example.

Think of the Defense Of Marriage Act, for example.

Both cost way too much, but which costs more is anybody's guess because I don't believe we have ever been given an actual cost of either. Ending the wars, closing foreign military bases and cutting back on overall spending in the military will go a long way in cutting the deficit. Heck, my bil was in the army for 20 years and when he was in boot camp he and a group of guys were fooling around. Long story short, my bil suffered a broken finger and today he gets nearly $200 a month added to his pension because of that broken finger that incidentally did not keep him from rising in the ranks or performing his duties or anything. It is simply insane.

Legalizing marijuana and several other drugs will not only ease the cost of the overall judicial system, but provide a tax base. Even with high regulations on the growing, production and distribution of said drugs, the cost would be much lower than what we are paying now and taxing the drugs won't decrease their usage hardly at all. Instead, I see us going in the opposite direction where even cigarettes may one day be illegal. Prohibition anyone?

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RE: Who says republicans want smaller government? - 7/24/2011 10:55:56 PM

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War is the single biggest driver if you look at a chart of US spending over time.

Total Spending under Jimmy Carter in 1980: $590 Billion (No wars; none.)

Total Spending under Ronald Reagan 1988: $1.064 Trillion (Spending Doubles for Cold War Buildup)

Total Spending under BUSH I: 1992: $1.38 Trillion (Gulf War: relatively short in duration, large international coalition.)

Total Spending under Clinton: 2000: $1.789 Trillion (Spending increases, but by MUCH LESSER margins than Reagan and BUSH II)

Total Spending under BUSH II: $2,982 Trillion (Spending increases by $1.1 Trillion for IRAQ & Afghan Wars)

Due to deregulation of the financial markets and the socialization of the banking losses budget mushrooms to $3,517 Trillion in 2009. (War & Economic Troubles)

Total Corporate Income Tax Revenue year 2000: $207B
Total Individual Income Tax Revenue year 2000: $1.04Trillion

Total Corporate Income Tax Revenue year 2009: $138B
Total Individual Income Tax Revenue year 2009: $915B

TAX Breaks to the Rich and Corporate America have not trickled down to US Workers AT ALL. Right now we have record unemployment and stagnant / depressed wages. Joe Smith hasn't gotten a whiff of that $158B dollar give away to Big Business and the Super Rich.

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