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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 6:06:39 AM

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A personal no-no of mine is giving advice, unless I'm personally asked for it and even THEN, I feel I'm only qualified to offer it to my children, as I know them well.

I sometimes offer thoughts and ideas or express what I'm thinking on a subject but I don't consider that I can give advice to anyone that I do not know on a personal level.

You can be an authority on yourself and how you react, think, feel......but you can't be that to another person that you haven't related to beyond a forum board.

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 6:13:03 AM

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At the risk of being flamed, i would just like to get something off my chest. i very much enjoy this site - i like the diversity of perspectives and topics. But one thing that i find quite irritating is people who admit, on their profile, they have absolutely no real life experience but provide all kinds of advice to others, creating the impression that they actually know what they're talking about.

My recommendation to anyone seeking informative help on these boards - check out the person's profile before applying their suggestions - CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

Sadly this is very common in *all* fields of life..how many "black belts" have you met? How many folks who rent a horse class themselves as "expert"? (lots of both who have no real idea of what they need to know to even be a novice) It's so easy to project a certain level of knowledge online that I tend to not accept much of anything folks claim if they don't match the time spent with what the learning woudl require. Never met a 5 year black belt that actually -was- a black, assuming they held any belt at all ;) I wouldn't class myself above a red and I only spent 15 years at my chosen art.. Probably way below what I was when I trained daily..getting older and slower now ;)

I don't comment on what I don't -know- without either admitting it's my opinion only, or it's something I know will work from experience (RL as opposed to online). I see many folks advocate this or that which is fine, *if* you know what you are doing, have done it enough in real life to understand the dangers, and can communicate the risks to the person you are doing it with, but nothing one should attempt to try without first getting experienced guidence at the -very least-. If this offends someone then they need to consider the risks they are taking with themselves as well as others. SSC remember folks? Consider the meaning of "safe" when you want to jump into something you've never actually done or experienced, it may save you some pain or injury.

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 3:23:55 PM

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Well yes, but didn't you know that every week you spend typing "ON UR KNEES 2 WORSHIP UR MASTERS BIG THROBING PURPLE ROD OF LORDLY MIGHT, BIOTCH" in an Internet chat room counts the same as a year of real life experience? Especially if you're a guy and you do it in the lesbian-only forums.

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 3:34:28 PM

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Good point Your Extremeness of Creative Versatility and Amazing Ingenuity, Maam.
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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 3:53:11 PM

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Don't forget Scotch-brand adhesive tape!

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 4:42:08 PM

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slavejali, possibly..more detailed answer sent directly to you as this doesn't relate to the thread.

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 5:12:57 PM

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To be new is ok, to be unskilled is also ok.
To profess knowledge with no hands on experience is similar to teaching one to fly a G5, but with only experience in the knowledge of the entire working of this fantastic jet, BUT NEVER have even seen one let alone touch or fly it.
Many might believe you..........the minute you take the controls will be the last few seconds of your life and all aboard.
BUT even the village idiot can come up with a sound idea, just try it out first.

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 7:22:31 PM

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I'm tired so instead of rewording a post on trhis same subject in Off Topic Discussions, I'm cross posting here:

You walk the walk, talk the talk and live the life..... Without some education experience is difficult to get safely and adequately in many areas of life... One of the problem some like me have with BDSM is the refusal of acceptance by many BDSMers who know you are experienced in Gor (Learning and practical) yet are new to BDSM. To many they are both the same. Given that Goreans do not do BDSM nor is Owning a Slave necessary to live a Gorean Lifestyle, it is not hard to understand why some are new to BDSM or at least are new to many of the BDSM activities.. Yet heving experience in owning and training a slave does add to the experience but not necessarily in all aspects of the specrtrum.. What could be looked at is the source of information anyone works from. For Gor the books should be the primary source and then if there are people about who are happy to help having a good association with others in the lifestyle who are experienced is excelent.

On my own part I fit into the above catagory and have stated it on many occasions and I my profile that I consider myself a Newby to BDSM Play. However this does not mean that I am ignorant of what goes on. I. perhaps am lucky in that as well as reading on those subject which interest me, have friends who are very experienced Dominants in BDSM and a few submissives. Every time we go to Club Lib I spend time both watching and talking to people who have been more than happy to discuss their play and techniques, safety and dangers.... Weekly I'm talking to various friends and especiqlly with a special friend who is in effect my BDSM Mentor who is also a Pro Domme. (All that is missing is either slaves in HIB or a play partner to gain experience with). All of us in our own areas can in deed walk the walk, talk the talk and live the life according to our leverls of experience and desires.. I probably could have a disclaimer in a word file to place on every post to explain this but ...naaaaaa.... What I do is mostly (I think) show that my comments are my thoughts on any matter. I usually prefer to treat most subjects logically and from a non technical view unless iot deals with explicits in which I believe I have sufficient experience and training to speak with authoritory. Some of the best items of advise I've ever been given in any area of my life has come from people who kew nothing about the subject and looked at the problem as through the eyes of a babe.... I'm reminded of the quote "Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings...."

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 9:35:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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ORIGINAL: Sab

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Owned by Scotch Master

I am sorry - and I know you will think that I am being really pedantic. But your signature should say Owned by a Scotts Master - Scotch is a whiskey.

I do apologise in advance to those who think I should do this through e-mail.
I don't think you should apologize (or express phony sentiments)  when you've put forethought into something, decided it might be embarrassing, but do it anyway...

I looked up what you said, because I wasn't sure Scotch is only used to describe whiskey. Here's what I found in a dictionary:
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Scotch    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (skch)
n.
(used with a pl. verb) The people of Scotland.

Scots English.

Scotch whisky.

adj.
Scottish. See Usage Note at Scottish.

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Main Entry: 1Scotch
Pronunciation: 'skäch
Function: adjective
Etymology: contraction of Scottish
1 : SCOTTISH
2 : inclined to frugality

So it seems Scotch is an adjective to describe a Scottish person.         M

At the risk of revealing myself as a hopeless semanticist, the use of Scot to refer to a person may be a matter of preference based on simple manners. I'm Scot/Irish, partly (friendly folks, those...) and was taught that the correct way to say it was either Scot or Scottish. Dictionary.com has one definition, but if you're digging around about usage, dig into m-w.com or just do a search with scot vs scotch in your window. Here's a piece of an interesting one that has already gone on for a loooooong time about ancient usages:

In the 20th c. the word Scotch has been falling into disuse in England as well as in Scotland, out of deference to the Scotsman's supposed dislike of it; except for certain fixed collocations, (such as ‘Scotch mist’, ‘Scotch whisky’) Scottish (less frequently Scots) is now the usual adjective, and to designate the inhabitants of Scotland the pl. n. Scots is preferred (see Gowers/Fowler Mod. Eng. Usage (1965)).]"

Eh - word digging is a dandy hobby that Master indulges me. (Thank the Goddess for patient men!)

Secondly, as to the OP's question, I used to be far more intolerant about folks who spouted reality from positions of simple imagination. I've softened a bit, though, partly as a result of my own journey. When I was still researching and exploring bdsm, my initial role plays and "encounters" with people were very real to me. In my case, it was a sort of developmental stage that I passed through on my way to better understanding my submission. I didn't do a lot of lecturing to the wider world about my new-found ideas but that's due more to my personality than anything else. The world has always had blow-hards. That some of them nest here at collarme isn't surprising. Look how entertaining all of this is!

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/19/2006 9:45:40 PM

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Being not preferred is one thing... Saying it isn't a word to describe someone from scotland is another.
The person using it obviously prefers it, so unless you're here to say "it isn't a word, and no one's ever used it before, it's his/her prerogative to call himself a "Scotch master", and "owned by Scotch master."
The reason I replied to Sab is that he was being insincere while calling out submotive in a public forum, saying

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Owned by Scotch Master
I am sorry - and I know you will think that I am being really pedantic. But your signature should say Owned by a Scotts Master - Scotch is a whiskey.

I do apologise in advance to those who think I should do this through e-mail

Other than that I really don't care, but thanks for passing on the idiomatic usage info. M

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RE: Experience vs. Theory - 5/20/2006 3:05:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Being not preferred is one thing... Saying it isn't a word to describe someone from scotland is another.
The person using it obviously prefers it, so unless you're here to say "it isn't a word, and no one's ever used it before, it's his/her prerogative to call himself a "Scotch master", and "owned by Scotch master."
The reason I replied to Sab is that he was being insincere while calling out submotive in a public forum, saying
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Owned by Scotch Master
I am sorry - and I know you will think that I am being really pedantic. But your signature should say Owned by a Scotts Master - Scotch is a whiskey.

I do apologise in advance to those who think I should do this through e-mail
Other than that I really don't care, but thanks for passing on the idiomatic usage info. M

Then I think you owe me an apology - I was being sincere. How you read and 'assumed' my sincerity is up to you, all I can do is correct you if you have 'assumed' it to be what you read. You will find, with me, is that I will add an emote to an 'insincere' or 'jesting' post to let people who are reading know the content as much as I can - other than that I would say 'assume' what I write is a sincere post of how I feel.

I was prolly wrong to point it out. But hey - welcome to human vulnerabilities.

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