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VioletGray -> Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 7:21:50 PM)

When I was young I used to read the "Tales from the Crypt" graphic novel. In there was a story that began mere seconds after an obsessive compulsive man had just murdered another man in his own home. The victim had served him dinner and given him a tour of his house, so all throughout the place he had left his finger prints on many things including silverware and antiques.

He decided that he had to clean everything he had touched before the police arrived, so he spent all night cleaning so obsessively that the following morning the cops arrived to find him still at the crime scene, engrossed to the point of ignoring their presence entirely. By the end of the story, as the cops were leading him out into the squad car he stopped, took a napkin out of his pocket and cleaned the very last thing: the doorknob. Then, smiling madly he gave the door a triumphant slam and followed the policeman off to jail.

The crux of the story was that his paranoia had driven him so mad that he became obsessed with the task itself and lost sight of why he was doing it in the first place.


First, let me give some quotes from Mitch McConnell:

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for Obama to be a one-term president."

and

"I refuse to help Obama get reelected by marching republicans into a position where we have co-ownership of a bad economy"

And here's a quote from Donald Trump just the other day, suggesting that the GOP should let the default happen so that Obama won't get elected:

"Frankly the Republicans would be crazy unless they get 100 percent of the deal that they want right now to make any deal"


"When it comes time to default, they’re not going to remember any of the Republicans' names. They are going to remember in history books one name, and that’s Obama."

Now why do I include Donald Trump even though he's not a political player? One, because I do believe that his approach exemplifies the strategy of the Republican party to an extent and two, because Fox News, an important branch of the republican party has decided for some reason to give him a platform on-air to spew his verbal waste.

The START treaty. The Debt Ceiling. Do you know what these things have in common? They used to be pretty much routine and now they're not. The people in the GOP voted 19 times to raise the debt ceiling under Bush. Why is it so hard now?

Because the Republicans have lost sight completely of their vow to serve the country. The reason for their being has become to oppose Obama on everything. EVERYTHING. And they are willing to let us go into default, something that has never happened before, they are willing to hold the world economy hostage to stop Obama from doing anything that might help him in 2012. They are more worried about Obama getting elected than the welfare of the American people.


The obsessive man from the story is the GOP. The "task" is complete shutdown of Obama. They are so obessed that when the default leads us away in to the squad car, perhaps they'll be smiling madly too.







lockedaway -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 8:46:26 PM)

Wow...you are so myopic.  Obama is a FAR left wing president.  The farthest left of any president since LBJ.  Do you think that maybe..................JUST MAYBE......................there are people that do not believe in entitlements, do not believe in socialism, do not believe in a nanny state, do not believe in cradle to grave public services, do not believe in paying 3 million dollars to a pensioner for 20-25 years of service, do not believe that education should be funded endlessly despite poor performance, do not believe in stimulus packages or nationalizing a car company or the student loan industry, do you not believe that his views are vastly contrary to the principles on which the country was founded that they believe the man to be a threat to the country?  What do you think, Violet? 

Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 

There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 8:47:46 PM)

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Obama is a FAR left wing president.


So....what would be "near" left?




slvemike4u -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 8:49:07 PM)

I love when you do that...and yet I have not seen one of these loons answer you [8|]




philosophy -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 8:52:28 PM)

"Obama is a FAR left wing president. The farthest left of any president since LBJ."

......er.......America has never elected a President who is further left than Liberal Democrat.

I know Sanity has before, on these fora, argued that in the USA the labels 'socialism' and 'communism' are applied relatively. So, someone to the left of you is considered socialist, even though they fail to fit any of the normally accepted definitions of the word.

The problem with this, of course, is that it fails to make any distinction between Lenin and, say, Tony Blair.




imperatrixx -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:08:04 PM)

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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 


For me at least, because he's not liberal enough ;)




DomKen -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:08:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?

Anyone who loves a man who disgraced the uniform of the US Army is a pathetic excuse for an American.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:13:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Wow...you are so myopic.  Obama is a FAR left wing president.  The farthest left of any president since LBJ.  Do you think that maybe..................JUST MAYBE......................there are people that do not believe in entitlements, do not believe in socialism, do not believe in a nanny state, do not believe in cradle to grave public services, do not believe in paying 3 million dollars to a pensioner for 20-25 years of service, do not believe that education should be funded endlessly despite poor performance, do not believe in stimulus packages or nationalizing a car company or the student loan industry, do you not believe that his views are vastly contrary to the principles on which the country was founded that they believe the man to be a threat to the country?  What do you think, Violet? 

Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 

There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?



Because so many people spend their time listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, and other far right nonsense like the idiocy of Allen West.

www.allenwestforcongress.com
Help us continue to reset the course of this great ship called the United States of America.


Is it truly possible to spout a more time-worn cliche?





erieangel -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:41:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 


For me at least, because he's not liberal enough ;)



This. Anybody who thinks Obama is a liberal doesn't know the meaning of the word. Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo, ending the Bush tax cuts (which were supposed to be temporary anyway), a public option and a host of other things he on which he has reversed course. Of course, there is a long line of things he has accomplished, like getting the repeal of DADT, but not enough that matter to most of us liberals. Gitmo, the wars, health care and economy and Obama's campaigning on those issues were what got him elected. His poor performance in governance of those issues is what just might send him out of office.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:43:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Obama is a FAR left wing president.


So....what would be "near" left?
Julius Streicher.




philosophy -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 9:44:30 PM)

Violetgray

Just realised I failed to comment on your OP while I was replying to someone else.

I have a lot of sympathy with virtually all you wrote.

However......(there's always a however....).........I don't think we can say that this sort of partisanship is exclusively the province of one or the other side.

In another thread, Firm linked to a 2 year old thread where we debated the pros and cons of throwing the labels 'communist' and 'nazi' about.

I've seen both left and right wingers lose sight of their obligation to the greater good in their zeal to take down an opponent. It's never an edifying sight.

Now, the current situation is the one we're focussing on. And, at least from my non-US pov, it seems pretty clear who's doing the compromising and who's being stubbornly partisan at the moment.

However, if we forget that both sides are capable of this kind of thinking we miss the point.

Politics, as someone once said, is the art of the possible. The current adversarial climate in US politics might work in a court room where there are only two real possible outcomes (guilty or innocent.....ok, mistrial, but thats just delaying the former options) but it sucks as a way of running a country.

That's an issue for all sides.




stripmymanhood -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 10:01:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 





I have a different answer as to why. He had both houses of Congress with his party in power and got nothing of significance done in the first two years of his presidency. Additionally, as soon as the Republicans won the elections to assume majority control of the House of Representatives, he basically grabbed his ankles and proposed selling out federal workers cost of living increases. Is it any wonder the Republicans feel they can control him pretty simply?




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/26/2011 10:25:02 PM)

It would have been easy to miss, Violet, since the media operated within a tight template on how they covered the form of the opposition, but we had a rather significant election last November with government spending as a central theme (63 seats in the House is a lot).  While the President eventually said the right words, the budget he put forward said he hadn't heard the people at all.

Now blind obstructionism is just plain stupid, and bad for the country, but to suggest that people standing firmly by the principles they ran on is a dangerous madness, seems a touch extreme. 

I'm seeing this whole spectacle of a debt limit crisis as smoke and posturing.  An exercise in panic and fearmongering.  The validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned. 

I wish they would wrap it up, and move on though.  It's a big, fast-moving world, and there might be developments, at home and abroad, their attention would be better focused on.




lockedaway -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 5:40:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: lockedaway
There are people that oppose this man VISCERALLY!!!  But then LOVE Alan West.  How do you account for that?

Anyone who loves a man who disgraced the uniform of the US Army is a pathetic excuse for an American.


Who are you talking about, John Kerry with his testimony before Congress or his throwing someone else's medals over the fence of the White House lawn?  W. Bush for his National Guard Service?  Who are you talking about?

Regarding MM, question, "who is a near left president?"  Clinton was a left of center centrist.  O'scumbag is MUCH farther to the left than Slick Willy.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 5:55:52 AM)

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Obama is MUCH farther to the left than Clinton.


How so?




farglebargle -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 6:09:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

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Get it said, dear.  WHY do you think so many people oppose this man. Not just republicans also independents, tea party people and a growing number of democrats.  Why?  Because he is black?  He won with 52% of the vote and a huge number of white people voted for him.  But is that what you think? 


For me at least, because he's not liberal enough ;)


That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?




FirstQuaker -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 6:54:56 AM)

Our people say that a dog bites the stick it was beaten with.




Sanity -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 7:47:43 AM)


He was crying about how the democratic system is in his way just the other day, to the racists he was pandering to

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3783274


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?




Moonhead -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 7:53:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Obama is MUCH farther to the left than Clinton.


How so?

Presumably in that Clinton could actually force concessions from the two houses most of the time, so he must be further to the right than the kenyan, who can't.
(I think that's what the call "non Aristotelein logic". Or horseshit. One of the two...)




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obama-obsessed derangement of the GOP (7/27/2011 8:12:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


He was crying about how the democratic system is in his way just the other day, to the racists he was pandering to

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3783274


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle


That's pretty much it. If Obama's such a fucking socialist, why didn't he just nationalize healthcare?




You must mean "further" nationalize healthcare...and he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize GM? Oh..he did. Or maybe you meant nationalize the banks...Oh he did.




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