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winspiritsbaby -> subspace (7/28/2011 8:56:57 AM)

I have read that some subs enjoy being in subspace and their dominants enjoy putting them there. I have a mild understanding of subspace but I'm not sure if I understand why someone would want to go there or put their sub there? I would think that this puts more responsibility on the dominant to ensure the sub's safety. Is this just for 'adrenaline junkies'?

I also don't understand whether there are signs before that point is reached that the sub is heading in that direction?

Sorry if these questions have already been asked, I tried to search but didn't really see anything that matched.




Hisprettybaby -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 9:28:55 AM)

Since I'm a switch, I will answer from both sides. So, as I see it.......
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ORIGINAL: winspiritsbaby
I'm not sure if I understand why someone would want to go there or put their sub there?
I love being in subspace. It's a place of blissful abandon for me. It's so relaxing, it's a feel good, warm and fuzzy, peaceful. A feeling not quite like any other. That's why I like it. When I'm Domming, I like to take my sub there because it's such a luscious place and not everyone gets there. I like for them to be able to enjoy it because I know myself how fantastic it is and I like to know that I was able to take them there.

I would think that this puts more responsibility on the dominant to ensure the sub's safety. Is this just for 'adrenaline junkies'?
Of course the Dom/me needs to be aware for the sub's safety while s/he is in subspace. It's an altered sense of reality. Re: being for adrenaline junkies, I'm not one but I still love subspace, both being in it and helping someone else get there.

I also don't understand whether there are signs before that point is reached that the sub is heading in that direction?
I check in often with the sub, to see how s/he is feeling. I can also tell by his/her body language, the sounds s/he makes and, finally when s/he is there, that far away/glassy look in his/her eyes.




phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 11:04:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: winspiritsbaby

I have read that some subs enjoy being in subspace and their dominants enjoy putting them there. I have a mild understanding of subspace but I'm not sure if I understand why someone would want to go there or put their sub there? I would think that this puts more responsibility on the dominant to ensure the sub's safety. Is this just for 'adrenaline junkies'?

and being able to trust master so much to able to be there with him is so wonderful. when he has taken me there its usually at night and he will jsut hold me till i am fine then he will allow me to sleep always in his arms. the mushy gooey feeling after is jsut so good. he takes the responsibility and loves it as well. not being a switch or have any dom side to me i cant say what he gets from it all i know is he loves thaking me to space loves me being in space he loves the after bit an he loves it when i am all gooey an cuddly in teh morning

I also don't understand whether there are signs before that point is reached that the sub is heading in that direction?

he alwasy knows and he knows each step by my reacitons i cant tell you what they are

Sorry if these questions have already been asked, I tried to search but didn't really see anything that matched.






vincentML -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 12:39:30 PM)

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Is this just for 'adrenaline junkies'?


Endorphins more likely, as Hisprettybaby has so accurately described it. A sure ticket for me to get there has been an ass-beating with a wide barber's strap. Yum. Sometimes lasts for hours.



Aileen1968 -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 12:43:49 PM)

I have never been in subspace.
I used to think I was doing something wrong because I never experienced it.
Now I'm glad I don't. I can't imagine not feeling everything he does to me.
To not feel it would seem like cheating to me.
I will take the raw, weeping, begging for him to stop (he never does) emotions any day over the warm fuzzies.
I get the warm fuzzies later when we're spooning and falling asleep.



Arpig -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 1:05:04 PM)

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I'm not sure if I understand why someone would want to go there or put their sub there?
It's fun.



littlewonder -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 1:53:56 PM)

I love subspace. It's like being high or in a trance...you just zone out and fly. It's a great feeling and the easiest way to get me there is through extremely secure and tight bondage for a long period of time.

Sometimes Master will allow me subspace if he's feeling generous but being the sadist that he is most times he wants me fully aware and feeling every single thing he does.

He can tell when I'm reaching subspace because my breathing slows down, I become very still and my eyes glaze over. He can basically beat me senseless and I wouldn't know.

Why would I want to feel subspace? Have ya ever gotten high? It feels great!

Now the crash....that's not so fun. I usually start to feel extremely ill, shivers, hot flashes, head aching like hell. It's the endorphins coming to a halt and regulating in the body again.

If you've ever excercised hard, run a marathon, skydived, or did any other kind of extreme sports then you'd know what it feels like.




DesFIP -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 2:20:05 PM)

He doesn't enjoy it when I go deep. At that point I'm not responding and not giving out any energy. His gain from this is feeding on the energy I give. If I don't give any, he can't get any.

I actually love it. Sometimes he'll just leave me tied up at the end to float off on my own. Eventually I'll fall asleep and sleep really well. Doing it that way means we both get our needs met.

But he has more responsibility during play than I do, that's for sure. I can barely tell if an arm is going numb, he can't trust me to make that judgment call. He goes by color, by how cold it feels, by how long I've been in that tie unmoving.

He doesn't mind having all the responsibility, to him it's the flip side of having all the rights.



Arpig -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 2:25:17 PM)

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But he has more responsibility during play than I do, that's for sure.
Subspace or no, isn't that sort of always the case? You're not really in a position to do any major communicating when you are tightly bound, hooded and gagged now are you?



DesFIP -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 2:30:57 PM)

Actually we have communication, a safe gesture if you will, when I'm gagged. It tells him that I have a problem and need the gag removed to tell him what it is.

Since he can't tell by looking at me that my foot's cramping or my wrist is going numb, I need a way to communicate. But since I miss stuff in that state, he can't depend on me identifying a problem. He has to be pro-active in preventing them.



Aileen1968 -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 2:45:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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But he has more responsibility during play than I do, that's for sure.
Subspace or no, isn't that sort of always the case? You're not really in a position to do any major communicating when you are tightly bound, hooded and gagged now are you?


You'd be surprised at how the words "fuck you" come through loud and clear in those circumstances.



winspiritsbaby -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 3:10:36 PM)

Thank you all for your responses. I'm starting to understand it a little bit better.



leadership527 -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 3:23:17 PM)

You know I have never really given much thought to "subspace". But lately there's been this thing happening which sure sounds like a lot of the symptoms. Although honestly what people call "subspace" I'd probably call "bottomspace" since it's directly tied to SM practices and pain and endorphins. But anyway, assuming I'm looking at the same or a similar thing, your answers:

I would think that this puts more responsibility on the dominant to ensure the sub's safety.
not really. Since I'm entirely responsible for Carol's safety all the time anyway it's not really possible to "put more responsibility" on me. It may take more awareness but not more responsibility. Sure, she's not going to even consider saying "no" or "ouch" or anything -- in fact I'm not even sure that pain exists for her when she's there -- at least not any levels of pain we've come across. So I need to be paying attention. No big deal.

why someone would want to go there or put their sub there?
For us, it's not like I "want to put her there". It's more like, "We have wild sex and she goes there." About the only way to curtail it would be to put a stop to the wild sex and ... well... we kind of like it. I could, I'm sure, specifically command her not to go there but man, what a buzz kill for her. For us it has nothing to do with adrenaline junkies. It's just a thing which happens to Carol if I'm using her vigorously.



catize -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 5:30:00 PM)

Sub space for me is a state of self-hypnosis. Sometimes I do deep breathing, sometimes I can feel myself sliding into it simply by having the cuffs put on. I have never gone so deep that I don't respond or react. I still feel everything, but it is like a cushion around me. At times the pain is pretty harsh, I scream and wiggle, but if I remember to breathe and relax, he can hit me harder and my reaction is much calmer. When I have that 'cushion' I can take more pain for longer periods. I accept the pain rather than tensing against it. This pleases him because the longer the session, the more his sadism is satisfied.
He checks in with me by saying 'give me a color', green means I'm having a great time, yellow means he can change implements or whatever body part he wants to hurt next! I seldom say 'red' because he is usually tired before I am unable to take anymore.



OsideGirl -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 6:16:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: winspiritsbaby
Is this just for 'adrenaline junkies'?
It's the same thing that long distance runners experience. So, I guess they're all adrenaline junkies too......



JanahX -> RE: subspace (7/28/2011 6:32:59 PM)

OP, I dont get it either. I've never even come close to whatever it supposidly is.
Now I have a strong "high" reaction to asphyxiation .... but that is purely a physical reaction to oxygen being cut off from my brain.

I have never got so excited from stimulation sexually, physically or verbally that I go into a trance or get high off of andrenaline.



MaamJay -> RE: subspace (7/30/2011 3:11:00 AM)

Firstly, from My experience, not everyone goes to subspace ... some just don't seem to be wired that way. Not a fault, not a problem that needs to be fixed.

Secondly, as a sub, i love floating into subspace ... it's usually only when He has just about finished doing what He wants to do to me that i float deeply enough to not be aware on some level, so it's not as if i am missing out on those feelings ... more just having other feelings instead. It is intensely relaxing and the good effects seem to last for days ... better than seeing a chiropractor for my back! The deepest sense of trust i have in Him to allow my mind to go so free is just awesome, as i KNOW He is monitoring me, taking care of me, and is right there by my side to bring me safely back to earth. The deepest sense of love and sharing and connection that pervades that time is awesome and lasts for a good while after i am grounded too. i rarely suffer from subdrop, fortunately.

Thirdly, as a Domme, I love taking My subs to subspace ... for pretty much the same reasons! I love watching them float off, knowing they are trusting Me to take them there and to bring them safely back, I love that closeness, that intimacy, that deep connection. Yes My awareness of My responsibility for their care is heightened ... but that in itself is a pleasure to Me, to throb with power granted to Me and to be able to exercise that responsibly. I rarely suffer from Top drop too, it only happens if something happens to sever that connection prematurely and I don't get to express My joy at being able to take them there.

As to the signs and stages ... I do have a self-penned screed that describes the stages as I have both seen and experienced them. For convenience I use odd numbers from 1 (normal everyday space) through 3 (focused alert space, perhaps a little warm fuzzy feeling) through 5 (adrenalin space - for me as a sub this is giggle space, for others it can be fight space!) then 7 (mmmm endorphin space, hurts so good!) to Deep Space 9. If you'd like more detail, message Me on the other side and I will send it when I can (bearing in mind I am in deep outback Australia at the mo so won't have internet every day!).

Ma'am Jay aka violet[A]



mnottertail -> RE: subspace (7/30/2011 3:14:01 AM)

It is like sweating, some are going to do it profusely, and some are just going to get a damp upper lip.



Awareness -> RE: subspace (7/30/2011 5:40:16 AM)

  Subspace is a trance state, the hallmarks of which generally include the temporary suppression or disabling of some cognitive functions.  Typically awareness of surroundings and volition with increased suggestibility.

While some appear to use the endorphin rush to send their sub into subspace, I've never found it necessary.  I find trance induction fairly easy to the point where it occurs without conscious thought.  I do occasionally wonder if there's a difference between dropping your sub into subspace and beating them into it - it's possible these are two slightly different aspects of the same phenomena.  Then again, they may be nothing alike.

So, from my perspective, adrenalin has absolutely nothing to do with it.  Subspace is virtually a consequence of the Dom/sub interaction and while the sub's in that state of diminished awareness and volition, the Dom must exercise more vigilance since the sub cannot fend for themselves.

As to why - it's probably a fairly primal expression of the reasons why Doms and subs do what they do.  Doms dominate and there's nothing quite like overwhelming someone's will with your own.  Subs submit and there's nothing quite as submissive as giving up all volition and placing yourself in someone's hands.



myotherself -> RE: subspace (7/30/2011 6:03:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Subspace is a trance state, the hallmarks of which generally include the temporary suppression or disabling of some cognitive functions.  Typically awareness of surroundings and volition with increased suggestibility.





I would disagree with some of this - while I'm in subspace I'm actually hyper-aware of what's going on round me. My senses are increased - hearing and touch mostly. However my motor functions are pretty much screwed - I can barely move for several minutes, and opening my eyes can be the hardest task in the world[:D]

I'm certainly no more suggestible than I am when fully alert, and apart from having my eyes closed a lot of the time, I am fully aware of my surroundings. He can ask questions that I understand, but I cannot articulate an answer. However as soon as I start coming round I can give him the answers he asked for.

I have also been sent into subspace without pain being involved. I was tired after spending the night talking, the Domme in question had a tone to her voice that I always find compelling, and she had me close my eyes and do deep breathing, much like the semi-trance state I sometimes go into while meditating. It was a very different experience to the pain-induced state in that it was not as deep, and I fully believe I could have "snapped out of it" with a fairly minor mental push, if I had wanted to. I can't do this in pain-induced subspace. Believe me, I've tried, lol!

The final difference is that in coming round from pain-induced subspace I'm usually horny as hell. Sex while I'm coming back to normal is absolutely mind-blowing [:D] In the other kind of subspace, I had no sexual desires at all.

YMMV




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