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gaybottomslave -> Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 3:00:14 PM)
Both the Democrats and Republicans, while being two parties, they both have a distinct singular purpose: To transform America from a soverign nation where freedom, both economic and personal, are no longer the modus operandi, to a facist police state. This is the destination, only difference is the path taken to get there. The far left have hijacked the Democratic party and they want a government controlled, welfare, craddle to the grave, nanny-esque police state where the "common folk" would not be burdened with such heavy issues as deciding things, and how to live their respective lives, for themselves. Of course getting people to go along with this nanny state is accomplished through class warfare and the notion that only Democrats can make things "fair" for everyone. Alexis de Tocqueville once wrote (I'm not sure if he originated this quote or derived it from someone else), [paraphrasing] Democracy dies when people realize they can vote themselves benefits from the public coffers. And that is exactly what we see happening in America today as more and more people expect that government takes care of, and responsibility for, their overall and day to day lives and well-being through funding and sustaining of social welfare programs. To Democrats, anyone who disagrees and thinks that people should work and earn their way through life are labeled as "greedy," or "the rich" trying to avoid paying their "fair" share. The ultra-conservatives have taken over the Republican party and they want a police state where, in the name of national security, the government has the absolute right to surveil, phone tap and/or jail anyone who they perceive to be a terrorist and for corporations to have more rights and freedom than people. Of course being true Republicans they'd hire, and ghastly over pay, private firms or contractors to handle the day to day work. And they don't need any proof for such an accusation--the accusation in and of itself is "proof" enough. Even as an American citizen, if you are suspected of being a terrorist you can be arrested and your right to habeus corpus is stripped away. You can be held without any proof or trail for as long as the government sees fit. By labeling more and more people "terrorists" it is simply a natural conclusion to think that anyone who disagrees or dissents is a "threat" to national security. Bejamin Franklin once said that, [paraphrasing] Those who would give up a measure of liberty for security will have neither. In summary, both parties desire the same end: A police state controlled exclusively by one party and currently the "fight" is to determine which party ends up as the rulers. The only difference is the path they are taking to get there. Look throughout history and see that every time a dictator or party of "elites" has brutally ruled a society or people they start first by demonizing a small group or minority. Then they slowly begin to include more people into the "enemies" list until only those who support the party 100% without question are left. Most recently that was how both the Nazi's in Germany and the Communists in Russia came to absolute power. This is a playbook that both the Democratic and Republican parties are running to the letter.

rulemylife -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 3:06:29 PM)
Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 3:11:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board. Great...the verbal equivalent of a drive-by. Insanity is thinking that either the Democrats or Republicans have your best interest at heart.

rulemylife -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 3:15:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board. Great...the verbal equivalent of a drive-by. Insanity is thinking that either the Democrats or Republicans have your best interest at heart. Could I borrow that hood some time?

gaybottomslave -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 3:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board. Great...the verbal equivalent of a drive-by. Insanity is thinking that either the Democrats or Republicans have your best interest at heart. Could I borrow that hood some time? No.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 4:21:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board. Great...the verbal equivalent of a drive-by. Insanity is thinking that either the Democrats or Republicans have your best interest at heart. Could I borrow that hood some time? No. Please wear it on your hands then so you cant type garbage as ridiculous as the OP.

housesub4you -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 4:36:57 PM)
LMAO[:D]

Fellow -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 5:33:43 PM)
The message makes rather trivial observation but gives two parties too much credit. It sounds like there is some kind of plan. I do not think so. They just try to keep the game going and steal your wealth as much as they can. People are "sheeple" or "lemmings", whatever you wish. Their biggest fear is a change. They will proudly re-elect B. H. Obama and 85% of the Congress. How do you propose to change the system and what chances are there for a change without collapsing it first?

erieangel -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/28/2011 7:53:06 PM)
I have some issues with the "cradle to the grave" references made about liberals. I believe it is the responsibility of everybody, even government, to take care of those unable to care for themselves. Government should see to the education of those citizens who can not afford a private education, though it should be on the local level and the federal Dept. of Education should once again be a part of the old trilateral dept. of Health, Education and Welfare, instead of having three separate departments. The meme that everything in society should be privatized bothers me.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 12:26:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Please wear it on your hands then so you cant type garbage as ridiculous as the OP. So the essence of your pathetic "rebuttal" is nothing based on facts or even a solidly reasoned opinion. Rather it is a mere psuedo-intellectual drive-by. Pathetic.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 12:36:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow How do you propose to change the system and what chances are there for a change without collapsing it first? To change the current system people need to raise their voices and loudly tell Congress that this out of control federal spending has to stop. Sadly, so many people are so hopelessly tied into the welfare state that they'd commit murder to prevent their respective largess from being taken away. National security can be achieved without installation of a police state. Again, too many people are completely willing to give up freedom for national security. Collectively we need to tell Congress that the Patriot Act and other similar legislation needs to be repealed.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 1:01:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel I have some issues with the "cradle to the grave" references made about liberals. I believe it is the responsibility of everybody, even government, to take care of those unable to care for themselves. Government should see to the education of those citizens who can not afford a private education, though it should be on the local level and the federal Dept. of Education should once again be a part of the old trilateral dept. of Health, Education and Welfare, instead of having three separate departments. The meme that everything in society should be privatized bothers me. No it's not. In the animal kingdom those unable to fend for themselves die and don't become a burden to the larger society. This planet is over-crowded right now because we allow the weakest, sickest and most unhealthy among us to drag the rest of us down. If I were to become sick, incapacitated and/or unable to care for myself I would not want to burden anyone else or to siphon off resources so that I may continue to live a bleak existence. I'd much rather be allowed to die so that resources could be used to fix or help those who afterwards could continue to contribute to society. Quality of life is much more important than quantity. And I can see your point about education, although in recent times our educational system is failing so while I support education we need to take a good long hard look at how we educate our kids.

Marini -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 1:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel I have some issues with the "cradle to the grave" references made about liberals. I believe it is the responsibility of everybody, even government, to take care of those unable to care for themselves. Government should see to the education of those citizens who can not afford a private education, though it should be on the local level and the federal Dept. of Education should once again be a part of the old trilateral dept. of Health, Education and Welfare, instead of having three separate departments. The meme that everything in society should be privatized bothers me. No it's not. In the animal kingdom those unable to fend for themselves die and don't become a burden to the larger society. This planet is over-crowded right now because we allow the weakest, sickest and most unhealthy among us to drag the rest of us down. If I were to become sick, incapacitated and/or unable to care for myself I would not want to burden anyone else or to siphon off resources so that I may continue to live a bleak existence. I'd much rather be allowed to die so that resources could be used to fix or help those who afterwards could continue to contribute to society. Quality of life is much more important than quantity. And I can see your point about educahtion, although in recent times our educational system is failing so while I support education we need to take a good long hard look at how we educate our kids. Wow, you make my mouth open a little bit. I don't fully agree with you, but I can dig you. I enjoy listening to people that aren't sheeple, and can think out of the box, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. I hope you will continue to post here. I like the outfit on your avatar. [:D] Welcome~

FirmhandKY -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 2:42:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave In the animal kingdom those unable to fend for themselves die and don't become a burden to the larger society. There are very few "societies" in the animal kingdom. Conceivable, you may include other primates, but even that is a stretch. Firm

mnottertail -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 2:48:28 PM)
Most ants when they become old and/or infirm are the frontline cannon fodder in the attack, maybe we could send our old folks to Afghanistan....

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 2:56:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave In the animal kingdom those unable to fend for themselves die and don't become a burden to the larger society. There are very few "societies" in the animal kingdom. Conceivable, you may include other primates, but even that is a stretch. Firm Ive got to half go with gbs on this one unless its merely a definitional difference. Insects, while not necessarily sentient, certainly organize into societies, and non-contributers are abandoned. OTOH even non-primates show empathy and willingness to sacrifice for their young or injured. That too is a societal structure, but one where gbs' premise that those unable to fend are left to die is incorrect.

Marini -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 2:59:37 PM)
gaybottomslave/gbs, you seem to believe that we can/could operate in a fairly strict Capitalistic society, with very limited government intervention? We all realize how kind, altruistic and thoughtful most corporations are, right? I bet you don't like unions either? Here is my short version: MOST corporations in this country, are owned and run by, people who are selfish, greedy, soulless, evil bastards. Take a look at all the jobs that have been outsourced, take a look at the greedy insurance companies, take a look at how unions have fought for decent and safe working conditions, lunch breaks, decent wages, etc. gbs, if corporate America could do so, they would have people working for $2 a day as they do in 3rd world countries, with probably no leave, benefits or healthcare. Have you really thought of the evil world/ society you desire? If it ever came to what you want, and pure socialism, I would pick 100% socialism. You claim not to be on the Right, but you are so far Right, you would need a good GPS system, to find the Middle or the Left. ``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. I will not sIt back and let people make the elderly eat dog/cat food, or push grandma off the cliff! Shame on you gbs! back into the crate!

MrRodgers -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 3:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh good, as if we didn't have enough insanity on this board. Great...the verbal equivalent of a drive-by. Insanity is thinking that either the Democrats or Republicans have your best interest at heart. Except that even if I was to agree in general with you in equating both parties having such goals and I do not, seems the repubs are much more successful. They created and have won the argument in words and media propaganda...to instill fear and obtain the Patriot Act, HLS, TSA etc. almost universal surveillance upon Americans. Society and the dems are now pressured to continued these policies without any real knowledge that they are truly necessary. We will keep getting a steady diet of the loners here and there to keep up our steadfast diligence and more importantly...the fear. The dems will need to either ride their backs quickly or they being so slow on the uptake, will find themselves out of power...permanently.

hardcybermaster -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 3:23:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: If I were to become sick, incapacitated and/or unable to care for myself I would not want to burden anyone else or to siphon off resources so that I may continue to live a bleak existence. I'd much rather be allowed to die so that resources could be used to fix or help those who afterwards could continue to contribute to society. talk is cheap when you are fit and healthy, get ill and I bet your tune changes

Real0ne -> RE: Two Parties, Single Purpose (7/29/2011 3:31:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave If I were to become sick, incapacitated and/or unable to care for myself I would not want to burden anyone else or to siphon off resources so that I may continue to live a bleak existence. I'd much rather be allowed to die so that resources could be used to fix or help those who afterwards could continue to contribute to society. Quality of life is much more important than quantity. sounds like a good case for communist euthanasia, if our purpose in life is to contribute to society then we should not have any complaint about the present system.

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