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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 5:39:26 PM   
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you are too afraid to even try it you sorry paranoid know nothing, its down to mismanagement, thats a middle class issue isnt it? management?? too many chiefs and not enough frontline workers.
Socialised healthcare has been working for years, and the whole world is going thru upheavals, look at your country and you dont have socialised healthcare, whats your excuse? oh yeah its all obama.. no, its not,now if you would like to pay your debt to the UK and Canada, they may well be able to run for decades more.


Arrogance that your system is better, because its got more greed and more people who do not have an idea of the reality of healthcare, Is truly pathetic.




Socialized healthcare in Canada doesn't work so well if you need dialysis. It's rationed there based on age and I remember at one point in time Canada had few machines compared to the US.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1486384/pdf/cmaj00287-0029.pdf





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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 5:45:30 PM   
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What then?

Why let the "market" decide what`s next......silly...


Oh.....the injury the doctors gave you?......


The kidneys they ruined with the wrong drugs,the throat the radiologist cooked to the point where you can no longer swallow,the gangrene that took both your feet,get over it.


You`re fucked.


Go find another doctor.It`s a free country.


   Those sorts of things can happen anywhere. I don't see how they really have much to do with the benefits or detriments of socialized medicine.

   I don't know how it works in other countries with socialized medicine but in the US when you're fucked because of malpractice you can sue the crap out of the provider.


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 5:56:39 PM   
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you are too afraid to even try it you sorry paranoid know nothing, its down to mismanagement, thats a middle class issue isnt it? management?? too many chiefs and not enough frontline workers.
Socialised healthcare has been working for years, and the whole world is going thru upheavals, look at your country and you dont have socialised healthcare, whats your excuse? oh yeah its all obama.. no, its not,now if you would like to pay your debt to the UK and Canada, they may well be able to run for decades more.


Arrogance that your system is better, because its got more greed and more people who do not have an idea of the reality of healthcare, Is truly pathetic.




Socialized healthcare in Canada doesn't work so well if you need dialysis. It's rationed there based on age and I remember at one point in time Canada had few machines compared to the US.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1486384/pdf/cmaj00287-0029.pdf





What if someone has no health care,socialized or otherwise?

How well do those folks fare,whether it`s their kidneys or whether it`s some other illness?

Which is 50 million Americans as of '2011'.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/421278/number_of_uninsured_americans_soars_to_50_million/

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 5:57:49 PM   
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Using 17 year old information isnt close to what is happening now...
in 2007
timmins got an 18 station facility
Scarborough got a 12 station facility
toronto elizabeth hosp got six extra stations
thats just in ontario, and there are more
Thatis more than 15 million dolllars in ontario in 2007 alone.
Plus this is about the NHS not the Canadian system
It is NOT perfect, but not as dire as you made it out to be

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:02:39 PM   
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One thing I will mention is health insurance companies routinely deny benefits stating not covered or some such BS on their statements. This has happened to me on several occasions. All I did was call them up, cry foul and they covered them. I'm aware this happens frequently as it adds to their profits because many if not most people don't read their policies and won't call them on it.

Though I'm not sayin it's a good reason to socialize 1/6 of the entire freakin economy.


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:05:43 PM   
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Using 17 year old information isnt close to what is happening now...
in 2007
timmins got an 18 station facility
Scarborough got a 12 station facility
toronto elizabeth hosp got six extra stations
thats just in ontario, and there are more
Thatis more than 15 million dolllars in ontario in 2007 alone.
Plus this is about the NHS not the Canadian system
It is NOT perfect, but not as dire as you made it out to be



It's about time they started catching up.


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:07:47 PM   
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One word for maintaining spinal health and general heath.

Yoga.

absolutely no thanks! I have a back problem but its manageable for me, but i tried yoga and i hurt so much after. I had been a long time since I had been in so much pain. The next day i went to my chiropractor and he told me no more yoga! I have heard from other sources to be very careful about putting too much stress on the back from doing certain yoga & other exercises.

Doing yoga might be ok for someone that doesnt have a back problem, but thats not gonna work for me.


As a yoga teacher with chronic back problems, I'm going to agree with both positions :)

I avoid other yoga teacher's moderate classes, because they do not do enough warmups for me. Gentle, Beginner, or Restorative Yoga should be fine (but often health club yoga teachers are woefully undertrained.)

Rodney Yee's AM flow should be safe for everyone and is the foundation of my warmups: http://www.amazon.com/M-P-M-Yoga-Rodney-Yee/dp/B00007JME6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311987888&sr=8-1

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:15:28 PM   
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Using 17 year old information isnt close to what is happening now...
in 2007
timmins got an 18 station facility
Scarborough got a 12 station facility
toronto elizabeth hosp got six extra stations
thats just in ontario, and there are more
Thatis more than 15 million dolllars in ontario in 2007 alone.
Plus this is about the NHS not the Canadian system
It is NOT perfect, but not as dire as you made it out to be



It's about time they started catching up.


Is that you admitting you were wrong??



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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:28:10 PM   
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Are you really this stupid to not realize health insurance companies have been doing this for decades?

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:37:42 PM   
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No, the main problem is that India is the breeding ground for all kinds of nasty microbes, like VRSA, which has been transported to the West by medical "tourists".


links?
I would think if that is the case then any non-medical tourists would be transporting said microbes too.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38655676/ns/health-infectious_diseases/


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 6:56:49 PM   
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Using 17 year old information isnt close to what is happening now...
in 2007
timmins got an 18 station facility
Scarborough got a 12 station facility
toronto elizabeth hosp got six extra stations
thats just in ontario, and there are more
Thatis more than 15 million dolllars in ontario in 2007 alone.
Plus this is about the NHS not the Canadian system
It is NOT perfect, but not as dire as you made it out to be



It's about time they started catching up.


Is that you admitting you were wrong??




No, my original post stated that "at one point in time Canada had few machines compared to the US".  I don't know the extent of rationing dialysis in Canada is at this point in time so maybe I was partly wrong on some of my post, maybe not.  I'll have to research it further.

  My Mom was in nursing and familiar with the dialysis situation many years ago. She said that Canada couldn't treat very many with kidney failure using dialysis because they only had 2 machines. The main point is, here in the US, without socialized medicine, we were quickly able to get enough machines going to begin treating everyone. I'm not aware of any widespread, or for that matter any, denial of dialysis based on the ability to pay, here in the US. 



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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 7:02:39 PM   
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Are you really this stupid to not realize health insurance companies have been doing this for decades?




No, I thought you were that stupid so I mentioned it just for you. 


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 7:05:25 PM   
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No, my original post stated that "at one point in time Canada had few machines compared to the US".  I don't know the extent of rationing dialysis in Canada is at this point in time so maybe I was partly wrong on some of my post, maybe not.  I'll have to research it further.

  My Mom was in nursing and familiar with the dialysis situation many years ago. She said that Canada couldn't treat very many with kidney failure using dialysis because they only had 2 machines. The main point is, here in the US, without socialized medicine, we were quickly able to get enough machines going to begin treating everyone. I'm not aware of any widespread, or for that matter any, denial of dialysis based on the ability to pay, here in the US. 



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Socialized healthcare in Canada doesn't work so well if you need dialysis. It's rationed there based on age and I remember at one point in time Canada had few machines compared to the US.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1486384/pdf/cmaj00287-0029.pdf


At one time there was no dialysis means, it doesnt mean that there is none now
I proved its changed. AFTER you trying to give out 17 year old information
dont believe everything you think.
If you have the ability to pay, you an buy anything.
If you dont...fuck off and die quietly
Not so in the UK or Canada



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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 7:26:51 PM   
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One word for maintaining spinal health and general heath.

Yoga.

absolutely no thanks! I have a back problem but its manageable for me, but i tried yoga and i hurt so much after. I had been a long time since I had been in so much pain. The next day i went to my chiropractor and he told me no more yoga! I have heard from other sources to be very careful about putting too much stress on the back from doing certain yoga & other exercises.

Doing yoga might be ok for someone that doesnt have a back problem, but thats not gonna work for me.


Same here, it was years before I worked out that the yoga was not helping matters, so I switched to pilates which did help, then onto bellydance, which sorted out the back issues and the scoliosis that I had through various stupid activities in my youth. Now with my posture corrected, I have no further problems with my back and the relief is fantastic. It is like taking ten years off one's age.

And before anyone says anything about the lack of NHS care, know this, I don't go near a medical professional unless I really have to, and only that after I have failed to sort the problem out myself, for I am reasonably skilled in phytotherapy and other alternative remedies. Hell, I even filled my own teeth in the past.


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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 8:19:37 PM   
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And private insurance companies cancel policies as soon as people get sick,right at the time they need the help most.



Bullshit.


Another well thought post Willbeur.

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 8:31:20 PM   
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Same here, it was years before I worked out that the yoga was not helping matters, so I switched to pilates which did help, then onto bellydance, which sorted out the back issues and the scoliosis that I had through various stupid activities in my youth. Now with my posture corrected, I have no further problems with my back and the relief is fantastic. It is like taking ten years off one's age.

And before anyone says anything about the lack of NHS care, know this, I don't go near a medical professional unless I really have to, and only that after I have failed to sort the problem out myself, for I am reasonably skilled in phytotherapy and other alternative remedies. Hell, I even filled my own teeth in the past.

so your spine is totally straight now? How did you do that?

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 8:59:43 PM   
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As a yoga teacher with chronic back problems, I'm going to agree with both positions :)

I avoid other yoga teacher's moderate classes, because they do not do enough warmups for me. Gentle, Beginner, or Restorative Yoga should be fine (but often health club yoga teachers are woefully undertrained.)

Rodney Yee's AM flow should be safe for everyone and is the foundation of my warmups: http://www.amazon.com/M-P-M-Yoga-Rodney-Yee/dp/B00007JME6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311987888&sr=8-1

Unfortunately for me, my condition is specific and there are exercises that will help but I need to find a Doctor that has been trained to show me which ones that are good for me. I have not found many that have knowledge and training in that technique. When i was in SoCal, the closest that i could find was in San Fran.

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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 11:06:03 PM   
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What if someone has no health care,socialized or otherwise?

How well do those folks fare,whether it`s their kidneys or whether it`s some other illness?

Which is 50 million Americans as of '2011'.


Well I can tell you that the comparable number here in Australia is 0 (zero). That is not a single Aussie goes without healthcare coverage whatever their circumstances. Nor does a single Aussie go bankrupt trying to pay their medical bills.

The suggestion that a private healthcare system that leaves 50 million plus citizens without any coverage is better than a nationalised one that has 100% coverage because the latter rations non-urgent surgery is preposterous.

Both systems ration service delivery. The private system rations it to maximise profits irrespective of patient needs - thereby adding to the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths due to insufficient care in the US annually. Nationalised systems ration service delivery to ensure more urgent cases are treated first and to maximise efficient use of existing resources. Suggesting private systems are superior on these grounds is ridiculous.

The US pays almost double the amount for its healthcare than most other Western countries. In return for paying through the nose, US health consumers get a far more expensive system with far less coverage that bankrupts thousands annually.

The effect on our economy? At the moment, Australia's economy is going gangbusters, the envy of the industrialised world.

Go figure.



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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/29/2011 11:09:41 PM   
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And private insurance companies cancel policies as soon as people get sick,right at the time they need the help most.



Bullshit.


Another well thought post Willbeur.



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RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rati... - 7/30/2011 2:37:51 AM   
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Same here, it was years before I worked out that the yoga was not helping matters, so I switched to pilates which did help, then onto bellydance, which sorted out the back issues and the scoliosis that I had through various stupid activities in my youth. Now with my posture corrected, I have no further problems with my back and the relief is fantastic. It is like taking ten years off one's age.

And before anyone says anything about the lack of NHS care, know this, I don't go near a medical professional unless I really have to, and only that after I have failed to sort the problem out myself, for I am reasonably skilled in phytotherapy and other alternative remedies. Hell, I even filled my own teeth in the past.

so your spine is totally straight now? How did you do that?



My scoliosis was caused by trauma, injuries I got from time to time , the so called slipped disc twice through industry, and various car and bike crashes, and what the body does to relieve pain and pressure on damaged parts, is move the spine in a way so that it does not cause pain, or at least lessens the pain. Over years this can result in muscles doing wrong things, instead of keeping the spine in the staight from the front, s curve from the side, the straightness from the front becomes bowed off centre. My scoliosis was picked up by a belly dance teacher, her observation was that my shoulders were naturally twisted out of line with my pelvis and were even dipped to one side. My pelvis was also twisted slightly forward on one side so the spine had a twist in it as well as being curved off line, to correct the posture in standing involved pain and weakness and naturalness to twist back to the damaged posture when unaware, so there was a problem.

First off I learned everything I could about back physiology and then taught myself the pilates exercise that were to do with strengthening the back, so exercises involving lying on the floor and the exercise ball I worked on, then introduced other exercises to act on the peripherals to the core, which the back is.

Feeling some natural pain relief via the pilates exercises, I then joined a belly dance class and got to it, training my frame to perform the dance movements, movements which are centred on the confluence of the lower spine and the pelvis, the area which I damaged first all those years ago and undoubtedly led to the curving to keep pain away from the area, that area being the core of the body where the largest vertebrae are and the strongest muscles to keep the confluence in the correct position for any activity. I kept on with the pilates and the dance these past three years and also adjusted my diet to a more Asian diet, which oddly kind of ties in with what is believed of the ayurvedic tri dosha system and what is taken as a dancer's diet, red meat and it's products I ditched in favour of fish and poultry and that on a sparing basis. So, the bottom line, for the first time in decades I have not got a back pain problem, the sciatica has gone and I don't feel crumpled anymore, and crumpled was a name I used on yoga websites.

But it was when I did Iyengar yoga that I learned exactly what life does to the frame, the things we do through life create the problems in later life, as Iyengar is concerned with posture and the rapid correcting of it and that because how we carry ourselves negates the natural design of our bodies, a design which cannot function correctly if it is forced into misalignment. For instance I learned with age not only do we lose height, but our legs in the case of males bow outwards from the straight, and in females, they bow inwards, this can be corrected with a bit of self bondage, but the research I did into Iyengar did reveal not only is our posture often incorrect, but even how we stand and sit, the mechanics of the body show how we should be, yet it is often we learn not to be through the fashions and dictates of life.

The belly dance taught me how to stand with knees slightly bent, ( observe Asian people who have less instances of the problems we suffer, how do they stand and propel themselves), where seven years in the military taught me to stand with legs straight, the military also taught me the jarring loud parade ground step, I now when I walk am silent using the whole of my foot placed not driven down, and of my foot, all that is meant to contact the ground does so to spread my weight. Strangely I have learned conventional shoes with hard soles actually create many of the problems, so now I prefer to be barefoot around the house, and hate donning shoes to go out.

So, my conclusion to the problems I have received through life to do with joints, is because of the western approach to such things as posture and movement, so that I see the western human as tall and straight, almost military, but the Asian, I see as using the natural s curve that the frame is from ankle to neck to cushion the body and hold it relaxed in movement, a relaxed supportive frame can handle the rigors of life better, whereas posture forced out of naturality by fashion actually creates the problems we suffer when our bodies have lost their youth.

As a point of interest, just observe people's shoes and how they wear, the wear indicating how they walk and how out of alignment their body might be, follow that alignment up and see where problems might be being felt, if not now, but in later life.

And as this is a bdsm website, I will say some actions in bdsm, I see as therapeutic, bondage being one, stretching being another and suspension, the latter two activities being well, traction of the spine, all aspects I just love being in from time to time, a need that I love to fulfill.

Also I use pain as a warning, pain felt means there is a problem, sometimes :), pain felt in the joints tells me a lot and there I analyse and correct if necessary. I don't use pain killers for this reason, as pain killers negate our natural warning systems, the systems that are there to aid us, not hinder us.

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